EPT[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 298
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
I no longer wonder why did they move the patch to next week | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 14 2012 16:58 Kouda wrote: I'm looking to improve in playing league before I hit up Ranked Games. I have over 500~ games played this season in normal, and I've been playing since like January? I feel like that while I do have a decent handling of top lane, ie with like Riven/Udyr/Olaf/Lee Sin , it just doesn't feel like enough. My understanding of mid/jungle is terrible, due to the fact that I rarely play them because its so .. weird for me haha. I played a lot of bot lane when I first started, and I have like average mechanics. I don't know, I'm just wondering if anyone minds being like my mentor or something and playing a few games with me here and there to help me improve. I tried LiquidParty, but generally no one talks and it seems empty even though there is generally 50+ people. Just playing rankeds and watching streams, especially those who give insight helps a lot. Scarra is very good for something like that, wingsofdeath aswell apparently(haven't watched him myself). Maybe shaketwizzle. | ||
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
On April 14 2012 16:37 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Things like this happen. Just hop in the baron pit and have him kill you is usually the answer. "When in doubt, kill yourself" lol'd it's true, though On April 14 2012 16:58 Kouda wrote: I'm looking to improve in playing league before I hit up Ranked Games. I have over 500~ games played this season in normal, and I've been playing since like January? I feel like that while I do have a decent handling of top lane, ie with like Riven/Udyr/Olaf/Lee Sin , it just doesn't feel like enough. My understanding of mid/jungle is terrible, due to the fact that I rarely play them because its so .. weird for me haha. I played a lot of bot lane when I first started, and I have like average mechanics. I don't know, I'm just wondering if anyone minds being like my mentor or something and playing a few games with me here and there to help me improve. I tried LiquidParty, but generally no one talks and it seems empty even though there is generally 50+ people. I started ranked with ~500 normal wins cumulative and by that point you should have a decent grasp in standard mechanics. The thing you need above anything is the capability of playing multiple roles. If you can only play one role, you'll never get past a certain point. You simply won't always be able to play a certain role or a certain champion, especially if they're a common pick or ban. Have a deep enough pool to play at least one champ in every role and ideally 2+ in several of them (preferably more, especially if any of them are likely to get banned/picked. Best bet is to just jump in feet first, honestly. Find a champion you like / do well with for the roles you're bad at and just keep playing them. iirc, there's also a thread for finding people to practice with. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On April 14 2012 16:58 Kouda wrote: I'm looking to improve in playing league before I hit up Ranked Games. I have over 500~ games played this season in normal, and I've been playing since like January? I feel like that while I do have a decent handling of top lane, ie with like Riven/Udyr/Olaf/Lee Sin , it just doesn't feel like enough. My understanding of mid/jungle is terrible, due to the fact that I rarely play them because its so .. weird for me haha. I played a lot of bot lane when I first started, and I have like average mechanics. I don't know, I'm just wondering if anyone minds being like my mentor or something and playing a few games with me here and there to help me improve. I tried LiquidParty, but generally no one talks and it seems empty even though there is generally 50+ people. Just play ranked, it's the only place you will *really* learn. Oh and don't listen to people saying you need to be able to play 3-4 champions in every role, even top players don't do this. They mostly stick to one role. I'd say 2 champions for 3 roles is enough. And there are people who only play 1 champion and still do fine (1600+) - not saying this is ideal ofcourse, far from it, but just as an example that it doesn't have to be this rigid. | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
On April 14 2012 18:48 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Is it just me or since the past few days (ever since we started getting queues evrytime we log in) there are just way more cases of getting disconnects from the game, or weird graphical glitches/delays? Haven't had queues but amen on the disconnects.. had a game earlier today that ended up as a 3v4 b/c of disconnects, then eventually someone would come back, and d/c again. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 14 2012 18:48 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote: Is it just me or since the past few days (ever since we started getting queues evrytime we log in) there are just way more cases of getting disconnects from the game, or weird graphical glitches/delays? I haven't gotten more weird glitches. Though kayle's ult kinda looks weird on low graphics. I ended up playing a game today where a riven carried her team to victory even though they were losing. And another game where we were winning but then five of them made a bait by going mid, then pretending to go to baron but instead camping baron. We lost much of our lead but still won that game. I'm wondering why this isn't a more common strategy. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On April 14 2012 18:53 obesechicken13 wrote: I haven't gotten more weird glitches. Though kayle's ult kinda looks weird on low graphics. I ended up playing a game today where a riven carried her team to victory even though they were losing. And another game where we were winning but then five of them made a bait by going mid, then pretending to go to baron but instead camping baron. We lost much of our lead but still won that game. I'm wondering why this isn't a more common strategy. Because it requires one team to have no wards and no wards near baron. Also no cv. You already have to be doing something horribly wrong for that to happen. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I guess though. SV owning it up with jungle twitch 19-6 was it? He's 3 shotting graves. I don't... what? Lucky crits and crit damage runes for sure. That and being 6 levels higher. | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On April 14 2012 19:14 obesechicken13 wrote: No cv happens all the time now. I guess though. SV owning it up with jungle twitch 19-6 was it? He's 3 shotting graves. I don't... what? Lucky crits and crit damage runes for sure. Yeah, having an IE and a pdancer isn't exactly lucky crits. He simply had almost full build. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 14 2012 19:21 JackDino wrote: Yeah, having an IE and a pdancer isn't exactly lucky crits. He simply had almost full build. Well I think he got 3 crits in a row. It's not that likely | ||
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
On April 14 2012 18:40 wintergt wrote: Oh and don't listen to people saying you need to be able to play 3-4 champions in every role, even top players don't do this. They mostly stick to one role. I'd say 2 champions for 3 roles is enough. And there are people who only play 1 champion and still do fine (1600+) - not saying this is ideal ofcourse, far from it, but just as an example that it doesn't have to be this rigid. The reason pros are able to continually play the same role is because they're well known and other people will often refer that role to them. This does not happen for regular players. The number of champions you can play does correspond to your overall ability as a player. It gives you a much greater understanding of matchups and therefore more able to play against them, it gives you a better understanding of what goes on in team fights and skirmishes from those champions, and it teaches you various ways to achieve a given goal. The handful of people who try to only play one champion are completely at the mercy of patches and easily get stuck in mid or low-elo ruts. If their champion ever gets banned or picked they're completely useless in game. The reason everyone tells you to learn several champions for several roles is because you MUST be flexible in solo queue both to gain Elo and to improve as a player. Doing the opposite is just shooting yourself in the foot. On April 14 2012 19:21 obesechicken13 wrote: Well I think he got 3 crits in a row. It's not that likely ~17% chance of happening is pretty damn likely. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
How is learning 3-4 champions for 4-5 roles "rigid"? If anything, that's being open-minded. Learn how to play every role at a competent level and it'll even help you when you're playing against that role when you play on your main. Better understanding of the game makes you a better player. Some of the best LoL players I know (Chauster, Xpecial, etc) are extremely well versed in many/all roles. | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On April 14 2012 19:28 Craton wrote: The reason pros are able to continually play the same role is because they're well known and other people will often refer that role to them. This does not happen for regular players. The number of champions you can play does correspond to your overall ability as a player. It gives you a much greater understanding of matchups and therefore more able to play against them, it gives you a better understanding of what goes on in team fights and skirmishes from those champions, and it teaches you various ways to achieve a given goal. The handful of people who try to only play one champion are completely at the mercy of patches and easily get stuck in mid or low-elo ruts. If their champion ever gets banned or picked they're completely useless in game. The reason everyone tells you to learn several champions for several roles is because you MUST be flexible in solo queue both to gain Elo and to improve as a player. Doing the opposite is just shooting yourself in the foot. ~17% chance of happening is pretty damn likely. i only play jungle support and ad now. i used to play mid but i stopped when i stopped liking any of my mid champs. in over 1k ranked games i have had to play top 5 times and mid 3 since i stopped playing mid. knowing only 3 roles is completely fine. On April 14 2012 19:32 NeoIllusions wrote: I'm with Craton here. How is learning 3-4 champions for 4-5 roles "rigid"? If anything, that's being open-minded. Learn how to play every role at a competent level and it'll even help you when you're playing against that role when you play on your main. Better understanding of the game makes you a better player. Some of the best LoL players I know (Chauster, Xpecial, etc) are extremely well versed in many/all roles. its rigid because people tell newer players that they should know multiple champs from all 5 roles before playing ranked, when that is unnecessary. of course learning a more champs for more roles makes you a better more well rounded player, but playing ranked without knowing every role isn't a problem. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On April 14 2012 19:21 obesechicken13 wrote: Well I think he got 3 crits in a row. It's not that likely Depends what do you mean as the "not that likely". With 55% crit chance from items + some crit from masteries i'd call it very likely to happen at least a few times unless the game ends really quickly after u get these items (though IIRC Riot implemented some kind of mechanics that decreases your chance of getting consecutive crit/dodge some time ago, not sure what is that about tho) On April 14 2012 19:32 NeoIllusions wrote: I'm with Craton here. How is learning 3-4 champions for 4-5 roles "rigid"? If anything, that's being open-minded. Learn how to play every role at a competent level and it'll even help you when you're playing against that role when you play on your main. Better understanding of the game makes you a better player. Some of the best LoL players I know (Chauster, Xpecial, etc) are extremely well versed in many/all roles. I agree, so many people don't understand how are you supposed to be playing other roles. Like top laners who want you to camp top even though it's heavily warded and enemy has a team able to kill dragon super fast | ||
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On April 14 2012 19:35 jadoth wrote: i only play jungle support and ad now. i used to play mid but i stopped when i stopped liking any of my mid champs. in over 1k ranked games i have had to play top 5 times and mid 3 since i stopped playing mid. knowing only 3 roles is completely fine. As long as one of the 3 roles you play is support it should be fine; being able to play a wide variety of champs so you can counterpick and have a better chance of demolishing your lane is pretty damn helpfull if you actually want to win games though. Imo the more champs you can play, the better. And besides giving you better chances to win games, isn't playing a wide variety of champions just more fun? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
There's no reason you weaken your game understanding and skill by playing less champions. Similar champions in similar roles do similar things and teamfight understanding comes from understanding what happens in teamfights which isn't necessarily going to be helped by playing more champs it's going to be helped by keen observation. Sometimes you won't know what to do say playing a cc bruiser in some situations when you're used to playing a dps bruiser but that comes from not playing them that much. There are plenty of versatile players who aren't actually that godo and don't understand either. Better to understand how to play 1 champ then understand how to play none. If your champion that you play gets banned you will play a few hundred elo weaker but you won't be completely useless. IF Wesrice was a 2.4k akali player it doesn't mean he has to start from 1400 at everything else. Fuck no, he starts at like 2k elo with any champ he picks up because he has all the knowledge of a 2.4k player but just needs knowledge of the next individual champions and he has all the reference base from other good palyers at his elo so he has a reasonable idea what to do. Learning more champions is good? Sure. Trying to get to 2k by playing 4 champs per role e.g 20 champs total is a good idea? Hell no. Pick 1 champion and learn from the game from that perspective. It's much easier to learn a champ when you have all the fundementals of a 2k player and just need to bring a specific champion up to a similar level. When you only play 1 champ you know that champ and focus on everything else. When you learn another champ you focus only on that champ when you know everything else. (In general terms, of course, nobody has perfect game knowledge of even close to it). People like chauster have been playing the game for years at the top level so that's why they know so many champions. Someone starting later needs to get to that level before learning all the champions. I almost never play AD and AP carry but in teamfights I always pay attention to the enemy AD and AP carry and try to make decisions based on what they are doing and their positioning. It's just a matter of being observant so you don't need to play 100 vayne games to know you can't let her just auto hit you without any pressure. All the best players in their role typically play ONLY that role also. | ||
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