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On April 13 2012 05:07 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:27 Mogwai wrote:
After trying lulu top, I honestly think that Teemo's just better at it. I know how it looks on paper and all that nonsense, but the unconditional MS from Move Quick and the practical advantages of Toxic Shot vs. Lulu passive end up being pretty huge. Also Mushrooms. Except teemo has massive utility later in the game while teemo just runs around being a nuisance?
Well, I understand that teemo isn't that useful in a team fight scenario, but what about teemo? What makes teemo a better teamfighter than teemo?
But seriously, I'm having a lot more fun in teamfights as Lulu than I ever had with Teemo, so ya... Agree 100% with you on that.
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On April 13 2012 05:11 JackDino wrote:
Question for some high lvl junglers, what are your thoughts on attackspeed vs arpen reds? And which ones would give you a faster clear on junglers that deal mainly physical damage?
The only champ I actually run an aspeed/armpen (1 armpen red, 8 aspeed, 3 armpen quint) is ww. Every other jungle I run gets something else.
What champs in particular are you looking for tips for?
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I'm not high level jungler (yet!^^) but you generally want AS on junglers who have some passive (either their direct passive or the passive of a skill) that relies on autoattacks. And Shaco. Like WW, Nocturne, Fiora, Skarner, Udyr...
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On April 13 2012 05:15 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:11 JackDino wrote:
Question for some high lvl junglers, what are your thoughts on attackspeed vs arpen reds? And which ones would give you a faster clear on junglers that deal mainly physical damage? The only champ I actually run an aspeed/armpen (1 armpen red, 8 aspeed, 3 armpen quint) is ww. Every other jungle I run gets something else. What champs in particular are you looking for tips for?
Just in general on junglers other than udyr/ww which scale well with aspeed. Started running aspeed reds on pretty much most of my junglers but know some people who still run arp on their junglers because true damage, got me thinking which actually gives faster clears.
Why would you run arp on ww when he deals magic damage and heals with attackspeed?
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On April 13 2012 05:19 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:15 Two_DoWn wrote:On April 13 2012 05:11 JackDino wrote:
Question for some high lvl junglers, what are your thoughts on attackspeed vs arpen reds? And which ones would give you a faster clear on junglers that deal mainly physical damage? The only champ I actually run an aspeed/armpen (1 armpen red, 8 aspeed, 3 armpen quint) is ww. Every other jungle I run gets something else. What champs in particular are you looking for tips for? Just in general on junglers other than udyr/ww which scale well with aspeed. Started running aspeed reds on pretty much most of my junglers but know some people who still run arp on their junglers because true damage, got me thinking which actually gives faster clears.
Well, it really isnt a question of aspeed vs armpen, its aspeed vs ad.
Noct, for example, scales best with an armpen/ad page.
The only champs I run as reds for are ww, anyone who wants my udyr page (as/armor/mr.lvl/movespeed), and maokai.
Everyone else gets something different.
And I run as/armpen on WW because the majority of his damage is coming from autos.
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i think pantheon is better with aspeed because you proc his passive more making your jungle a lot safer
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On April 13 2012 05:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i think pantheon is better with aspeed because you proc his passive more making your jungle a lot safer
I don't really jungle Panth, but I'd imagine you want ad or apen on Panth seeing how you pick Pantheon for his ganks, not for his jungle clear.
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On April 13 2012 05:28 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i think pantheon is better with aspeed because you proc his passive more making your jungle a lot safer I don't really jungle Panth, but I'd imagine you want ad or apen on Panth seeing how you pick Pantheon for his ganks, not for his jungle clear.
you can get pretty low in your jungle and it makes you really weak to counter jungling
open D blade and your ganks cant be stopped anyway if your lanes are competent
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Dblade and attack speed runes/masteries are enough for jungle pantheon? Does he need a lvl 2 gank to be effective or can he clear the jungle to get to lvl 4 before ganking with just a dblade?
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On April 13 2012 05:07 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 04:27 Mogwai wrote:
After trying lulu top, I honestly think that Teemo's just better at it. I know how it looks on paper and all that nonsense, but the unconditional MS from Move Quick and the practical advantages of Toxic Shot vs. Lulu passive end up being pretty huge. Also Mushrooms. Except teemo has massive utility later in the game while teemo just runs around being a nuisance?
Later in the game Teemo solos everyone, while Lulu is a utility bot. *shrug* I dunno man, I understand that lulu's a better teamfighter in terms of utility, but Teemo does better deeps and is better suited for split pushing. w/e, I'm just not convinced when it comes to lulu top, she doesn't win the matchups that Teemo does the way I need her to.
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was seeing a lot of jungle pantheons for a while but then they indirectly nerfed him by not making his spear proc red buff slow
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Oddone:"Someone told me on twitter that if you have blue buff on udyr you can activate turtle first and than phoenix so you get a shield to tank the damage from creeps.I did not know that derp,now my udyr is better than ever!"
Rofl
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Jungle Pantheon can do really strong level 2 ganks but they arent as strong as Alistar ganks imo
regardless its fun
i run
aspd red
armor yellow
mr blue
attack damage quint
and start DBlade at wolves -> blue for the lv2 gank
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On April 13 2012 05:33 TheKefka wrote:
Oddone:"Someone told me on twitter that if you have blue buff on udyr you can activate turtle first and than phoenix so you get a shield to tank the damage from creeps.I did not know that derp,now my udyr is better than ever!"
Rofl
*slam* *slam*
Crap. My desk just broke.
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On April 13 2012 05:32 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
was seeing a lot of jungle pantheons for a while but then they indirectly nerfed him by not making his spear proc red buff slow
eh. that was mostly a bug fix in all honesty. I'm not sure Riot ever fully intended to let single target spells proc red buff.
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On April 13 2012 05:30 BlackMagister wrote:
Dblade and attack speed runes/masteries are enough for jungle pantheon? Does he need a lvl 2 gank to be effective or can he clear the jungle to get to lvl 4 before ganking with just a dblade?
he's bad at clearing
very good at counter jungling/ganking
if you have a team that is helpful, you can counter jungle them so easy with your stun and bot/top coming to help. i usually get blue, gank mid and if i get first blood i have my mid come with me toward their red and either gank their jungler or clear their wraiths/golems then B
i dont have full runes for panth but i can't clear my whole jungle with just a D blade, lizard will kill you
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Haha TOO raging so hard on stream, for a moment I thought he would stand up and leave the room :D
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I see a ton of similarities between Lulu and Oriana.
Q - main AOE damage (Lulu's also slows)
W - speed buff/debuff (Lulu's is single target, Ori's is AOE)
E - ally shield + minor damage
R - AOE displacement
Different characters and uses but still interesting to see.
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On April 13 2012 05:33 TheKefka wrote:
Oddone:"Someone told me on twitter that if you have blue buff on udyr you can activate turtle first and than phoenix so you get a shield to tank the damage from creeps.I did not know that derp,now my udyr is better than ever!"
Rofl
was he trolling?
then again ive noticed him going just pure phoenix in alot of his games
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On April 13 2012 05:54 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 05:33 TheKefka wrote:
Oddone:"Someone told me on twitter that if you have blue buff on udyr you can activate turtle first and than phoenix so you get a shield to tank the damage from creeps.I did not know that derp,now my udyr is better than ever!"
Rofl was he trolling? then again ive noticed him going just pure phoenix in alot of his games
Well if you phoenix before turtle the bonus ap you have gets converted into more shield.
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