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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 12 2012 20:58 GMT
#5521
I have a question about solo lane choices: double AP vs AP+bruiser when do you want which one and what are the pros/cons of these?
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 21:02:24
April 12 2012 20:59 GMT
#5522
On April 13 2012 05:54 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2012 05:33 TheKefka wrote:
Oddone:"Someone told me on twitter that if you have blue buff on udyr you can activate turtle first and than phoenix so you get a shield to tank the damage from creeps.I did not know that derp,now my udyr is better than ever!"
Rofl

was he trolling?

then again ive noticed him going just pure phoenix in alot of his games

No man,Oddone just doesn't pay attention to stuff like that on champions.He just baylifes to the max.
Like before he did that mao guide,before IEM Kiev he didn't know how to do a proper wraith start on maokai,he would just stack 3 wraiths and loose like 4 seconds doing them.It irritated me so much that I made a US account and went into his chat to tell him to stack 2 and than throw up the 3rd one at 1:40 and than he can practically one shot them with one extra auto on the big one.He was like: "o ye ye I remember the video guide I saw on youtbe said something like that,real,good thing I didn't record the guide already would have to do over ."
Cackle™
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
April 12 2012 21:00 GMT
#5523
On April 13 2012 00:01 spinesheath wrote:
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On April 12 2012 23:36 BlueSpace wrote:
On April 12 2012 23:30 TheYango wrote:
On April 12 2012 23:17 wintergt wrote:
I disagree, I think it's best how they are doing it, hype one champion, then move on to the next and so on. If they do nothing for half a year it'll look like they stopped caring about their game, and then dumping tons of new champions will just confuse people.

I don't believe that for a second. It's all about communication during the development process. Getting player input, releasing development blogs, keeping things rotating on the PBE, etc.

And I think having a persistent development cycle that's this short is detrimental to the competitive game (we've had this discussion quite a few times on TL). It would be MUCH better for them to transition into a longer release cycle that allows aspects of the game to stabilize between patches, especially since the game is generally pretty balanced.

On April 12 2012 23:19 Gorsameth wrote:
The problem with giving people 10 champions at once is that they buy 1-2 of those and play them. While if you give them a champion every 2 weeks they will buy all of them.

Nah, that depends on how you price the bundling options.

If you release champs week by week, lots of people will save IP for a lot of them. If you release a bunch all at once, most people won't be persistent enough to save for like 3-4 champions worth of IP. So long as you make the bundling options attractive, a lot of people will just say "fuck it" and shell out the cash for them instead.

You don't milk cows by letting them stand in the barn for half a year. You milk them every day.

Actually you let cows stand in the barn for a while without milking them.

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This period is called the dry period, and it includes the time between halting of milk removal (milk stasis) and the subsequent calving. Generally, 45 to 50 days is recommended. If less than 40 days, then milk yield in the next lactation will be decreased. [see Swanson 1965; Coppock et al. 1974; Dias and Allaire, 1982.]

you cant milk those!
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 12 2012 21:04 GMT
#5524
you guys are delusional if you didn't think oddone already knew this...
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 21:27:31
April 12 2012 21:10 GMT
#5525
Dude the guy used to run around only in phoenix stance around the jungle with blue buff,he wouldn't even bother to stance dance between camps to keep his passive stacks up while he had blue,I'm telling you he's completely oblivious to some real obvious stuff.He even said right now how its really helpful to read twitter,that you don't need to be a high elo guy to teach him a useful little trick like that one he didn't know.
I'm not saying he is a bad player but its pretty funny how he misses some shit even tho he knows a lot about the game.
For god sake,he updated his udyr guide today with the rune page saint used on udyr 5 months ago already lol.
On April 13 2012 06:19 CeriseCherries wrote:
I have definitely watched him stream in the last month doing turtle-> phoenix -_- i think trolling

Well he didn't specify when he learned it,he just said he learned it from someone on twitter.
Cackle™
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
April 12 2012 21:19 GMT
#5526
I have definitely watched him stream in the last month doing turtle-> phoenix -_- i think trolling
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
April 12 2012 21:24 GMT
#5527
Meh, the last thing the community needs is more fodder for people who think they're really 2400+ players stuck at 900 Elo, troll or not.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 12 2012 21:26 GMT
#5528
On April 13 2012 06:24 Seuss wrote:
Meh, the last thing the community needs is more fodder for people who think they're really 2400+ players stuck at 900 Elo, troll or not.

Well, the sad part is that its ENTIRELY believable that TOO would not know this. Even if he is trolling.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 21:33:07
April 12 2012 21:31 GMT
#5529
Today and the last time TOO streamed he wasn't using his turtle stance, instead prefering to stay in pheonix and take damage. He was also running away using only bear stance with no turtle, and not using his turtle in team fights.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
April 12 2012 21:34 GMT
#5530
Real men dont lvl any ability on udyr till lv 18 with black belt skin, oddone slowly trying it by not using turtle.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 12 2012 22:16 GMT
#5531
AP lulu seems like a much better laner than with attack speed to me, i was also under that's what impression voyboy did at IPL.

the potential to harass and outplay your opponent (especially melee champs) with various E+Q shenanigans, whether it's putting pix on the champ directly, or on a minion to hit Q's safely from a mile away, seems much stronger than anything you can do with your 550 range auto.
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
April 12 2012 22:30 GMT
#5532
Agreed, AP is the way to go on Lulu if you are not support. Basically you gain nothing lategame by building attack speed that you would not get by placing pix on the AD carry (especially if the AD is trist or kog). AP/cdr is much better itemization for Lulu since Q is quite spammable, and you get a nice AP bonus if you use W on yourself. Also, with lvl 4 q and 60-80ish AP you oneshot caster minions.

That said, a Wits end is not a bad item to get if you need MR, and feel like you can stay in AA range safely.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
April 12 2012 22:40 GMT
#5533
i'm pretty surprised the comparison is between lulu and teemo
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 22:53:16
April 12 2012 22:41 GMT
#5534
Don't know how many times it needs to be said, but Voyboy lost lane as LuLu every game, it just turns out Lulu with any amount of gold = godmode teamfights

@cookies
no her ratios are actually pretty bad, but they won every teamfight, mabye it could even just be that they had multiple support, but all everyone talked about was lulu. Wild growth however is unbelivably annoying to fight against.

Or Lulu might just be the eqivalant of a really good fielder that can also hit. the fact that she can survive top lane so that you can go 3 support is the key?
Carrilord has arrived.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
April 12 2012 22:47 GMT
#5535
I missed those games. I'd imagine the Ult would be fairly powerful, but I can't imagine her other skills making a "godmode" teamfighter.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 22:53:54
April 12 2012 22:53 GMT
#5536
On April 13 2012 07:47 ManyCookies wrote:
I missed those games. I'd imagine the Ult would be fairly powerful, but I can't imagine her other skills making a "godmode" teamfighter.


Basically dignita's strategy was to turn the AD carry into the tank. AP Soraka+top lulu+janna/taric. AP lulu ults the AD carry giving him about 26-2800 health. Then with aegis, soraka heals/armor buff/passive+shields+multiple summoner heals, the AD carry does not die. Ever. Was the most obnoxious thing I've ever seen, but pretty funny at the same time.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 12 2012 22:53 GMT
#5537
you cant switch every time if you dont have blue, now that blues been nerfed you probably cant switch every time with blue either for early levels
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 12 2012 22:56 GMT
#5538
It also annoys me when TOO plays Nautilus talks about how the champ is one of the slowest in the game but doesn't use his Q to get around faster.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
April 12 2012 23:14 GMT
#5539
in addition to her ult lulu can also do aoe damage and slow to the other team while being a virtually untouchable distance away just by shielding a teammate.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
April 12 2012 23:16 GMT
#5540
I see. Any VODs of the game? The only one I've found is incomplete and in terrible quality.
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