EPTOn April 13 2012 01:12 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Great point. Now I want sources and proof.
Great point. Now I want sources and proof.
Replays. Not bothering to fix the ranked 5s ladder. Every statement Marcou has ever made on anything.
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Replays. Not bothering to fix the ranked 5s ladder. Every statement Marcou has ever made on anything. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:13 Two_DoWn wrote: Replays. Not bothering to fix the ranked 5s ladder. Every statement Marcou has ever made on anything. Replays are being worked on. Can't get more information out of Riot sadly. Issue is acknowledged. Ranked 5s I'm not sure about since I don't play it or know about it. Anything you want passed on? Marcou is.. yeah lol. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:14 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: Replays are being worked on. Can't get more information out of Riot sadly. Issue is acknowledged. Ranked 5s I'm not sure about since I don't play it or know about it. Anything you want passed on? Marcou is.. yeah lol. Basically the idea that Riot could EASILY have a competitive ranked 5s ladder only they dont actually CARE about getting teams to play together. So top teams play nothing but solo q. And since they cant get a good game on 5s cuz everyone is in solo q, they play more solo q. Its one of those unbreakable wheels. They should be incentivising full 5s. Stuff like getting double ip or something for ranked 5s, weekly ladder prizes, shit like that. Getting teams to play together. Not only does it make the playing experience BETTER (more teams=more even matches, less bitching about bad teammates, no more elo hell whining) but it also advances the game. Oh and STILL no pause on live custom games. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Instead of halting on ways to gain money though, they could also focus on making more skins so that all champions have at least 4 skins or so (there are a few who only have 2). They could also design more bundles to satisfy the needs of everyone. This way, everyone could be happy (core and pro because its more balanced, casual because their needs are more or less met). | ||
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:18 Two_DoWn wrote: Basically the idea that Riot could EASILY have a competitive ranked 5s ladder only they dont actually CARE about getting teams to play together. So top teams play nothing but solo q. And since they cant get a good game on 5s cuz everyone is in solo q, they play more solo q. Its one of those unbreakable wheels. They should be incentivising full 5s. Stuff like getting double ip or something for ranked 5s, weekly ladder prizes, shit like that. Getting teams to play together. Not only does it make the playing experience BETTER (more teams=more even matches, less bitching about bad teammates, no more elo hell whining) but it also advances the game. Oh and STILL no pause on live custom games. A lot of top teams don't even play go4lol. You'd need a pretty good incentive to have people play ranked 5's. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:18 Two_DoWn wrote: Basically the idea that Riot could EASILY have a competitive ranked 5s ladder only they dont actually CARE about getting teams to play together. So top teams play nothing but solo q. And since they cant get a good game on 5s cuz everyone is in solo q, they play more solo q. Its one of those unbreakable wheels. They should be incentivising full 5s. Stuff like getting double ip or something for ranked 5s, weekly ladder prizes, shit like that. Getting teams to play together. Not only does it make the playing experience BETTER (more teams=more even matches, less bitching about bad teammates, no more elo hell whining) but it also advances the game. Oh and STILL no pause on live custom games. I second this. LoL needs more incentives for teams to play arranged ranked 5s. It's not like an IP boost or even a very small amount or RP actually costs Riot a significant amount of money. Even better: Giving people small amounts of RP might be an incentive for some people to buy more RP once they realize how tasty RP is. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Archer dude will be #99 | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:22 0123456789 wrote: A lot of top teams don't even play go4lol. You'd need a pretty good incentive to have people play ranked 5's. See, I would contend the reason people dont go4lol is because it is a) absurdly long, and b) only available at certain times. Ranked 5s is as simple as 1 game if you want, and doable at any time. The key is you need ENOUGH teams. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Once you're past the point where the game is generally balanced, trying to fine-tune balance when you change the game faster than players can react to them is counter-productive. | ||
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robertdinh
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:28 robertdinh wrote: It would be very easy for them to give significant incentives for playing 5s and organizing 5s teams over solo queue... they simply don't care about LoL being a legitimate esport though. E-sports=/= ranked 5's. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Having legitimacy to ranked 5s increases the number of players playing the format, which in turn increases the overall skill of the community with regard to aspects of 5s play that are not emphasized in solo queue (e.g. drafting). This in turn also raises the skill of professional players performing those tasks in a competitive setting. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
LoL=Team game Incentive to play ranked 5v5s=People playing in teams more Getting better teamwork skill=Better at LoL Better at LoL=More skilled players More skilled players=More pro teams More pro teams=advance as E-sport Therefore, Ranked 5v5s does indeed equal Esports advance | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:22 0123456789 wrote: A lot of top teams don't even play go4lol. You'd need a pretty good incentive to have people play ranked 5's. That's partially because most of their time would be spent stomping newbies left and right. At the very least it'd be worse than a proper ranked 5s ladder because they'd spend the first half of the tournament beating teams that might as well be 1200 elo. In any case even if the top tier players stick to solo queue and scrims I think it would benefit both amateur competitive players and the entire scene itself if the game supported teams and encouraged them to play together more by any means. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:32 TheYango wrote: Having legitimacy to ranked 5s increases the number of players playing the format, which in turn increases the overall skill of the community with regard to aspects of 5s play that are not emphasized in solo queue (e.g. drafting). This in turn also raises the skill of professional players performing those tasks in a competitive setting. On April 13 2012 01:35 Dark_Chill wrote: LoL=Team game Incentive to play ranked 5v5s=People playing in teams more Getting better teamwork skill=Better at LoL Better at LoL=More skilled players More skilled players=More pro teams More pro teams=advance as E-sport Therefore, Ranked 5v5s does indeed equal Esports advance You can have a bazillion pro teams who are all good. That does not make LoL an e-sports. Only thing you need for E-sports to survive is money. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:18 Two_DoWn wrote: Basically the idea that Riot could EASILY have a competitive ranked 5s ladder only they dont actually CARE about getting teams to play together. So top teams play nothing but solo q. And since they cant get a good game on 5s cuz everyone is in solo q, they play more solo q. Its one of those unbreakable wheels. They should be incentivising full 5s. Stuff like getting double ip or something for ranked 5s, weekly ladder prizes, shit like that. Getting teams to play together. Not only does it make the playing experience BETTER (more teams=more even matches, less bitching about bad teammates, no more elo hell whining) but it also advances the game. Oh and STILL no pause on live custom games. They should do weekly tournament 5vs5 with a prizepool of 500rp for the winner. All automatic of course :D WC3 style | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
On April 13 2012 01:52 BlitzerSC wrote: They should do weekly tournament 5vs5 with a prizepool of 500rp for the winner. All automatic of course :D WC3 style Honestly, it'd be really interesting to see how this would transform ranked 5s. Putting an actual incentive to win would be awesome :D | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22475 Posts
A month gives teams the ability to play now and then and still have meaningfull success and no tournament systems are needed. just have a ladder that resets every month (keeping hidden rating for matchmaking purposes). All you have to do is credit for example 20 teams (10 us 10 eu) with some RP every month. As for champion releases. Yes i would like them to slow down / stop releasing soon. there are more then enough champions and you can already feel that its becoming hard to find interesting things to do. Unfortunatly due to being a F2P game Riot needs to keep churning out champions to keep people spending money. Its the nature of the beast. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
Assuming that the meta is assumed to be: Bruiser top, tanky jungle, AP mid, AD carry+ support bottom, has anyone tried any fun metabreakers? Things I've tried and had success/fun with: - 1/1/3 - AD mid, Double AP bot - Doublestealth driveby squad: normal config, but Twitch as AD bot with Shaco jungling and Ali as roaming support. Headbutt/pulverize + doublestealth ganks all day - "TSG": Themed this comp after the infamous TSG from WoW 3v3, essentially its 3 bruisers, melee AD (tryn), and a stun/tank support (Taric or Ali) Anyone else had fun with trollstrats? | ||
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