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[Patch 1.0.0.136: Lulu] General Discussion - Page 223
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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jadoth
694 Posts
On April 08 2012 13:12 Juddas wrote: Cho Gath is such a fun jungle. All you gotta do is hit that q and then not have a brain dead laner Much fun I'm just lost on how to build him.. Today I was pretty fed so I went Wriggles RoA and started Scepter but they surrendered XD. Dat FEast i jungle cho a lot around 1600 elo and my build is boots3>hog>wits+cloth>glaical>situational+a ga at some point. atmas or abyssals are good for damage, rageblade or maldreds may be good for damage i am not sure yet, rylia's or phage into frozen or tri may be good if you can't get red or want to give it to someone else i am not sure yet, radiums fon ect for more tank. | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
On April 08 2012 13:39 UniversalSnip wrote: You don't really need the philo, he regens so much hp just from autoattacking and you don't need to use spells on the creeps. Try opening boots and then going hog into wit's end. Oh true I forgot about the mana regen. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
I've been playing twitch pretty well exclusively for the last two three days and with lane farm he is just really really strong. o.o He really good top against anyone without a gap closer and I think he is pretty good bot lane too, especially if you give him a support who can farm decently 1v2 if he wants to go gank and force pink wards. Not that he even needs to gank really because his late game is just so monstrous. That being said, his range is a real bummer so it is pretty easy to get zoned early game... even more so than so a Vayne. Tis not to bad if you can grab a Lulu though, because Lulu can almost outtrade an AD and support by herself fairly reliably It sounds super trolly, but I think a Twitch/Karma lane would be pretty strong because that would allow Twitch to go do things like Gank a jungler at Red/blue and also allow Karma to get going because she kinda useless without farm. I say that Nidalee would be pretty strong in that regard too. | ||
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Norada
China482 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On April 08 2012 18:15 iCanada wrote: Twitch is so underrated. Even if they buy Oracles/pinks he is a damn good AD carry because his stealth also gives him a 70% attackspeed steroid. He just does so much damage late game it is stupid... I honestly think him at 6 item is stronger than KogMaw/Vayne easily because his range is the highest and he has splash damage combined with a ridiculously strong AD steroid. Ten seconds of +70% attack speed is monstrous. With Spray and pray & Ambush, four or five seconds is enough to kill anyone within his line splash. And that is ignoring the fact that his passive does 360 true damage, and is able to be applied in an AoE fashion. I've been playing twitch pretty well exclusively for the last two three days and with lane farm he is just really really strong. o.o He really good top against anyone without a gap closer and I think he is pretty good bot lane too, especially if you give him a support who can farm decently 1v2 if he wants to go gank and force pink wards. Not that he even needs to gank really because his late game is just so monstrous. That being said, his range is a real bummer so it is pretty easy to get zoned early game... even more so than so a Vayne. Tis not to bad if you can grab a Lulu though, because Lulu can almost outtrade an AD and support by herself fairly reliably It sounds super trolly, but I think a Twitch/Karma lane would be pretty strong because that would allow Twitch to go do things like Gank a jungler at Red/blue and also allow Karma to get going because she kinda useless without farm. I say that Nidalee would be pretty strong in that regard too. I actually just had a twitch bottom against cait, and cait got fucking stomped (since I remember seeing something about someone not believing cait would lose to twitch). He probably is better in a lane than the jungle. And that specific player picked to jungle too, but I got to since I suck at ad (and stomped some shitty 2k amumu). | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 08 2012 18:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I actually just had a twitch bottom against cait, and cait got fucking stomped (since I remember seeing something about someone not believing cait would lose to twitch). He probably is better in a lane than the jungle. And that specific player picked to jungle too, but I got to since I suck at ad (and stomped some shitty 2k amumu). I still dont think Twitch beats Caitlyn in lane persay, but twitch doesn't have to win lane imo. As long as you not like 2k gold behind Twitch is the biggest hyper carry in the game... Even a terrible AD player like me has no problems positioning with the luxury of 1200 range (you know, twice the range of every other champ in the entire game!). even if you only attacking one target with you ult you still do stupid amounts of dmaage and if you attacking more than one champ you dealing twice as much (OR MORE!) damage than any other AD in the game can for the entirety of a teamfight. I don't understand why no one plays him. At first it seems like he stealth reliant, but as far as I am concerned it is just a bonus. I don't care if you see me the whole time, I an AD than has obnoxious range, a 70% attack speed steroid, AND AoE damage. You put any of these things on any other AD champion in the game and they become the most broken and overplayed champ in the game... yet Twitch has them all and no one plays him. Makes no sense. If anything he hidden OP, not underpowered/useless like everyone thinks. | ||
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:02 beefhamburger wrote: People don't play/like him because he has no escape or any form of disengage once you get hit. Hence why he's a global taunt in all fights. You mean like that top picked champ at IPL Koggles? Twitch has an almost identical slow to Kog if you combine Pray and spray with his W, with an additional 200 range and no skillshot. In fact Kog even shares Twitch's early game struggles... But Twitch actually does more damage in every 5v5 teamfight Oracles/pinks or not. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:09 iCanada wrote: You mean like that top picked champ at IPL Koggles? Twitch has an almost identical slow to Kog if you combine Pray and spray with his W, with an additional 200 range and no skillshot. In fact Kog even shares Twitch's early game struggles... But Twitch actually does more damage in every 5v5 teamfight Oracles/pinks or not. Only Twitch's AoE gets the 1200 range, he still needs to autoattack a target much closer to him to actually get any attacks off. Wiki doesn't mention a range increase for his autoattack at all, which would put him into 500 range of at least one target. Not sure if that's correct or if he gets a slight range increase during his ult. Kog's early and midgame is stronger than Twitch's, and Kog can actually attack from 710 range, plus he has his 2200 range R which deals huge damage to squishies even without any damage amplifiers. Twitch also needs to place 5 stacks of poison on his target to get the same slow effect. That takes at least 2 seconds, which is huge. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
And Twitch makes ennemy team buy oracles and pink wards. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:19 spinesheath wrote: Only Twitch's AoE gets the 1200 range, he still needs to autoattack a target much closer to him to actually get any attacks off. Wiki doesn't mention a range increase for his autoattack at all, which would put him into 500 range of at least one target. Not sure if that's correct or if he gets a slight range increase during his ult. Kog's early and midgame is stronger than Twitch's, and Kog can actually attack from 710 range, plus he has his 2200 range R which deals huge damage to squishies even without any damage amplifiers. Twitch also needs to place 5 stacks of poison on his target to get the same slow effect. That takes at least 2 seconds, which is huge. He can attack towers from outside their range when his ult is on. I think you're wrong. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:44 obesechicken13 wrote: He can attack towers from outside their range when his ult is on. I think you're wrong. Well, I think there was something about 850 range or so, which would be great and all, but I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't actually get 1200 autoattack range. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:55 epoc wrote: People always talk about tops that might lose the lane but it doesnt matter since they outscale the other top. I don't really understand this. What top champion doesn't scale well? Nasus, olaf, riven, irelia, jax, gp, trynd all scale well. So top champs with poor scaling? There's garen, renekton kinda, lee sin falls of a little bit but is still useful, same deal with nid I find, pantheon definitely and certainly yorick. Of course if they get fed then they are still fucking scary and none of them become completely useless. | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
Also, you can dodge his shots when his ult is on, because each essentially becomes a skillshot. That is retarded sometimes. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:55 epoc wrote: People always talk about tops that might lose the lane but it doesnt matter since they outscale the other top. I don't really understand this. What top champion doesn't scale well? Nasus, olaf, riven, irelia, jax, gp, trynd all scale well. panth, garen, renekton, and lee sin are all examples of champs that can pretty much auto-win most lanes and have easy lanes against a lot of other champs, but scale really poorly compared to other tops teemo, nidalee, udyr, yorick all scale slightly better than the above, but definitely a step below the guys you listed fioa and trundle go somewhere in this post, but i'm not sure where | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On April 08 2012 19:09 iCanada wrote: You mean like that top picked champ at IPL Koggles? Twitch has an almost identical slow to Kog if you combine Pray and spray with his W, with an additional 200 range and no skillshot. In fact Kog even shares Twitch's early game struggles... But Twitch actually does more damage in every 5v5 teamfight Oracles/pinks or not. just saying... udyr and janna have been picked/banned more or even to kog  | ||
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