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On April 06 2012 07:31 Chrispy wrote:
Good for Jatt. :D Yeah hopefully he does some casting for Riot for these events.
The hate for Jatt is ridiculous...
Yeah it's quite silly eh?
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On April 05 2012 12:24 overt wrote:I've been at work and didn't really want to continue the Annie discussion from three pages ago but two things I wanted to reply to and then I'll leave Annie discussion alone for awhile. Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. This is straight up false. Annie has a crazy safe lane if you choose to play safe. Most champs try to push the lane towards Annie because she lacks clearing power at early levels and her auto attack range is better than everyone but Caitlyn at that point in the game. Not to mention her Q makes farming ezpz. If you can dodge skill shots and use your passive properly you can easily get farmed. It's just that most of the APs who beat her can push lane in, then go gank. Or if you're bad they can harass you down because you fucked up and got hit by Ahri Q or Cass Q. I don't think her laning is incredible or anything but it's definitely possible to get farm in literally any lane except maybe against Xerath. Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier. The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at. Tibbers is awesome. IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful. Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux. She doesn't have poke nor does she have mobility. But her AP ratios are on par or better than lots of other AP carries. Her late game is still good too. Annie can initiate fights. Kennen can't do that, despite what people might think his ult is pretty shitty initiation. Anivia has a better late game but the only AP that has a better late game than her is probably Karthus lol. Ahri late game is definitely not as good as Annie, she can't initiate fights and she can't counter-initiate either (two things that Annie is incredible at). Annie was bad late game before her buffs. Back when she did have mediocre AP ratios. Riot changed her months ago and now her AP ratios are just as good as other champions. It actually weakened her early game slightly because they nerfed her base damages but her ratios mean she has kill threat at all stages of the game. The biggest problem with her late game is that the enemy will probably have BV but that can be countered by running an AD with good poke such as Corki. For reference, she has .7 ratio on her Q and R with a .75 ratio on W. She seriously scales just as well as most other APs save a small few (Ryze, Karthus, Anivia come to mind).
She had bad ap ratios now she has mediocre ap ratios. W is melee, Q is single target. I just see its as a waste to use tibbers to intiate, your not hitting a carry and basically everyone runs QSS anyway. Ahris charm is better for it anyway because it is has a fraction of the cd. Brand, Cass, Fiddle, Karthus and Kennen ( all have better ratios for team fights and have far more mobility and also have an easier time hitting multiple targets. Annie is not a good AP champ, she is workable like MF but there are better choices.
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On April 06 2012 08:06 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 12:24 overt wrote:I've been at work and didn't really want to continue the Annie discussion from three pages ago but two things I wanted to reply to and then I'll leave Annie discussion alone for awhile. On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. This is straight up false. Annie has a crazy safe lane if you choose to play safe. Most champs try to push the lane towards Annie because she lacks clearing power at early levels and her auto attack range is better than everyone but Caitlyn at that point in the game. Not to mention her Q makes farming ezpz. If you can dodge skill shots and use your passive properly you can easily get farmed. It's just that most of the APs who beat her can push lane in, then go gank. Or if you're bad they can harass you down because you fucked up and got hit by Ahri Q or Cass Q. I don't think her laning is incredible or anything but it's definitely possible to get farm in literally any lane except maybe against Xerath. On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier. The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at. Tibbers is awesome. IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful. Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux. She doesn't have poke nor does she have mobility. But her AP ratios are on par or better than lots of other AP carries. Her late game is still good too. Annie can initiate fights. Kennen can't do that, despite what people might think his ult is pretty shitty initiation. Anivia has a better late game but the only AP that has a better late game than her is probably Karthus lol. Ahri late game is definitely not as good as Annie, she can't initiate fights and she can't counter-initiate either (two things that Annie is incredible at). Annie was bad late game before her buffs. Back when she did have mediocre AP ratios. Riot changed her months ago and now her AP ratios are just as good as other champions. It actually weakened her early game slightly because they nerfed her base damages but her ratios mean she has kill threat at all stages of the game. The biggest problem with her late game is that the enemy will probably have BV but that can be countered by running an AD with good poke such as Corki. For reference, she has .7 ratio on her Q and R with a .75 ratio on W. She seriously scales just as well as most other APs save a small few (Ryze, Karthus, Anivia come to mind). She had bad ap ratios now she has mediocre ap ratios. W is melee, Q is single target. I just see its as a waste to use tibbers to intiate, your not hitting a carry and basically everyone runs QSS anyway. Ahris charm is better for it anyway because it is has a fraction of the cd. Brand, Cass, Fiddle, Karthus and Kennen ( all have better ratios for team fights and have far more mobility and also have an easier time hitting multiple targets. Annie is not a good AP champ, she is workable like MF but there are better choices.
Not everyone runs QSS but I do agree that annie's AP ratios are low. Tristana has a 3.3 AP ratio. Annie has a 2.1 AP ratio. AP ratios aren't a great tool for saying a champion is strong or not though. Annie's cooldowns are low: 4 seconds on Q, 8 on W, and with some CDR she can easily stun multiple targets twice.
I dunno. I stopped playing her after kennen kept hitting me with shurikens this one game and I felt like I had no way to counter. Use my stun and he gets an opportunity to initiate. Don't use it and last hit at tower D:
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hide in minions so shurikens can't hit you. Trade using AA against him, and use Q to farm.
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On April 06 2012 08:13 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 08:06 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 12:24 overt wrote:I've been at work and didn't really want to continue the Annie discussion from three pages ago but two things I wanted to reply to and then I'll leave Annie discussion alone for awhile. On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. This is straight up false. Annie has a crazy safe lane if you choose to play safe. Most champs try to push the lane towards Annie because she lacks clearing power at early levels and her auto attack range is better than everyone but Caitlyn at that point in the game. Not to mention her Q makes farming ezpz. If you can dodge skill shots and use your passive properly you can easily get farmed. It's just that most of the APs who beat her can push lane in, then go gank. Or if you're bad they can harass you down because you fucked up and got hit by Ahri Q or Cass Q. I don't think her laning is incredible or anything but it's definitely possible to get farm in literally any lane except maybe against Xerath. On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier. The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at. Tibbers is awesome. IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful. Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux. She doesn't have poke nor does she have mobility. But her AP ratios are on par or better than lots of other AP carries. Her late game is still good too. Annie can initiate fights. Kennen can't do that, despite what people might think his ult is pretty shitty initiation. Anivia has a better late game but the only AP that has a better late game than her is probably Karthus lol. Ahri late game is definitely not as good as Annie, she can't initiate fights and she can't counter-initiate either (two things that Annie is incredible at). Annie was bad late game before her buffs. Back when she did have mediocre AP ratios. Riot changed her months ago and now her AP ratios are just as good as other champions. It actually weakened her early game slightly because they nerfed her base damages but her ratios mean she has kill threat at all stages of the game. The biggest problem with her late game is that the enemy will probably have BV but that can be countered by running an AD with good poke such as Corki. For reference, she has .7 ratio on her Q and R with a .75 ratio on W. She seriously scales just as well as most other APs save a small few (Ryze, Karthus, Anivia come to mind). She had bad ap ratios now she has mediocre ap ratios. W is melee, Q is single target. I just see its as a waste to use tibbers to intiate, your not hitting a carry and basically everyone runs QSS anyway. Ahris charm is better for it anyway because it is has a fraction of the cd. Brand, Cass, Fiddle, Karthus and Kennen ( all have better ratios for team fights and have far more mobility and also have an easier time hitting multiple targets. Annie is not a good AP champ, she is workable like MF but there are better choices. Not everyone runs QSS but I do agree that annie's AP ratios are low. Tristana has a 3.3 AP ratio. Annie has a 2.1 AP ratio. AP ratios aren't a great tool for saying a champion is strong or not though. Annie's cooldowns are low: 4 seconds on Q, 8 on W, and with some CDR she can easily stun multiple targets twice. I dunno. I stopped playing her after kennen kept hitting me with shurikens this one game and I felt like I had no way to counter. Use my stun and he gets an opportunity to initiate. Don't use it and last hit at tower D:
Hm, I don't think you can compare AP ratios like that. First of all Annie gets 2 Qs off in a single combo so there you should add 0.7 to that, and in addition Tibbers has a 0.2 AP ratio per second and you're guaranteed to get at least 2 seconds off, though 4 seconds seems more realistic assuming single target burst. This means that her total AP ratio for a single target actually is 3.65.
As for AoE, well I'll just say that not many champions have instant cast ranged AoE stuns. She's got the only one in the entire game.
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I sincerely hope he doesn't cast anything. It's really annoying watching a tournament muted.
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so jatt is working for riot
can't say i think thats a good move by riot
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On April 06 2012 07:31 Chrispy wrote:
Good for Jatt. :D Yeah hopefully he does some casting for Riot for these events.
The hate for Jatt is ridiculous...
Biased canadian, Jatt tried to kill ESPORTS, I can't forgive that *dusts off pitchfork*
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It's a shameful act to not have your pitchfork always oiled and well-sharpened.
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I'm more of the torch folk, I have my matches and a stack of torches ready, always.
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He poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered plague onto our houses.
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There have been log in queues all day.
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On April 06 2012 07:49 Masq wrote:
Damn, just tried to log in and theres a 1000 person queue. Didn't take long but its the first time I've seen it.
You havent lived till you've seen a 20000 or higher queue.
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Remember when there was always q times to log in? Or when the server was almost always down on patch day? Riot's really come a long way. 
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On April 06 2012 10:39 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 07:49 Masq wrote:
Damn, just tried to log in and theres a 1000 person queue. Didn't take long but its the first time I've seen it.
You havent lived till you've seen a 20000 or higher queue.
You haven't known you don't have a life until you sit through a queue of 20,000 or higher. 
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On April 06 2012 08:35 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 08:13 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 06 2012 08:06 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 12:24 overt wrote:I've been at work and didn't really want to continue the Annie discussion from three pages ago but two things I wanted to reply to and then I'll leave Annie discussion alone for awhile. On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. This is straight up false. Annie has a crazy safe lane if you choose to play safe. Most champs try to push the lane towards Annie because she lacks clearing power at early levels and her auto attack range is better than everyone but Caitlyn at that point in the game. Not to mention her Q makes farming ezpz. If you can dodge skill shots and use your passive properly you can easily get farmed. It's just that most of the APs who beat her can push lane in, then go gank. Or if you're bad they can harass you down because you fucked up and got hit by Ahri Q or Cass Q. I don't think her laning is incredible or anything but it's definitely possible to get farm in literally any lane except maybe against Xerath. On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier. The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at. Tibbers is awesome. IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful. Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux. She doesn't have poke nor does she have mobility. But her AP ratios are on par or better than lots of other AP carries. Her late game is still good too. Annie can initiate fights. Kennen can't do that, despite what people might think his ult is pretty shitty initiation. Anivia has a better late game but the only AP that has a better late game than her is probably Karthus lol. Ahri late game is definitely not as good as Annie, she can't initiate fights and she can't counter-initiate either (two things that Annie is incredible at). Annie was bad late game before her buffs. Back when she did have mediocre AP ratios. Riot changed her months ago and now her AP ratios are just as good as other champions. It actually weakened her early game slightly because they nerfed her base damages but her ratios mean she has kill threat at all stages of the game. The biggest problem with her late game is that the enemy will probably have BV but that can be countered by running an AD with good poke such as Corki. For reference, she has .7 ratio on her Q and R with a .75 ratio on W. She seriously scales just as well as most other APs save a small few (Ryze, Karthus, Anivia come to mind). She had bad ap ratios now she has mediocre ap ratios. W is melee, Q is single target. I just see its as a waste to use tibbers to intiate, your not hitting a carry and basically everyone runs QSS anyway. Ahris charm is better for it anyway because it is has a fraction of the cd. Brand, Cass, Fiddle, Karthus and Kennen ( all have better ratios for team fights and have far more mobility and also have an easier time hitting multiple targets. Annie is not a good AP champ, she is workable like MF but there are better choices. Not everyone runs QSS but I do agree that annie's AP ratios are low. Tristana has a 3.3 AP ratio. Annie has a 2.1 AP ratio. AP ratios aren't a great tool for saying a champion is strong or not though. Annie's cooldowns are low: 4 seconds on Q, 8 on W, and with some CDR she can easily stun multiple targets twice. I dunno. I stopped playing her after kennen kept hitting me with shurikens this one game and I felt like I had no way to counter. Use my stun and he gets an opportunity to initiate. Don't use it and last hit at tower D: Hm, I don't think you can compare AP ratios like that. First of all Annie gets 2 Qs off in a single combo so there you should add 0.7 to that, and in addition Tibbers has a 0.2 AP ratio per second and you're guaranteed to get at least 2 seconds off, though 4 seconds seems more realistic assuming single target burst. This means that her total AP ratio for a single target actually is 3.65. As for AoE, well I'll just say that not many champions have instant cast ranged AoE stuns. She's got the only one in the entire game.
Amumu. Sry for nitpicking. Yeah I think Annie is good for more than just her ap ratios. the range on her auto attacks allow her to poke down other ads while being fairly safe. and the surprise factor from tibbers can allow you to get a full rotation on someone even if they QSS. though honestly an AD carry shouldnt be able to survive a full rotation.
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On April 06 2012 10:52 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2012 08:35 Shikyo wrote:On April 06 2012 08:13 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 06 2012 08:06 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 12:24 overt wrote:I've been at work and didn't really want to continue the Annie discussion from three pages ago but two things I wanted to reply to and then I'll leave Annie discussion alone for awhile. On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. This is straight up false. Annie has a crazy safe lane if you choose to play safe. Most champs try to push the lane towards Annie because she lacks clearing power at early levels and her auto attack range is better than everyone but Caitlyn at that point in the game. Not to mention her Q makes farming ezpz. If you can dodge skill shots and use your passive properly you can easily get farmed. It's just that most of the APs who beat her can push lane in, then go gank. Or if you're bad they can harass you down because you fucked up and got hit by Ahri Q or Cass Q. I don't think her laning is incredible or anything but it's definitely possible to get farm in literally any lane except maybe against Xerath. On April 05 2012 08:13 Eppa! wrote:On April 05 2012 08:05 cLutZ wrote:On April 05 2012 07:14 wei2coolman wrote:On April 05 2012 06:09 tobi9999 wrote:On April 05 2012 05:56 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact Annie is god tier outside lanephase, similar to singed, but its just hard to get to that point.
her lane phase is retardedly good. 625 range auto attacks are nothing to laugh at -_- also, what do people really mean when they say lane phase? On some champions once you hit 6 you can just leave lane and give up your tower to roam bot/enemy jungle for kills. There's no way annie is going to be getting away with a lot of cs, against alot of the current ap meta, without being poked out of lane, ie ziggs, cass, anivia, ahri, and so on. Even if she can get out of lane post6, there are champions post6 that just wreck her in this category, and still win lanephase easier. The reason I say god tier, is because in teamfights, There aren't taht many ap mid champs that can keep up with annie's raw burst* aoe damage, and cc. A tibbers stun onto multiple people is nothing to laugh at. Tibbers is awesome. IMO the only real problem right now is Annie's passive stun mechanic. Getting 5 stacks is easy, but a good AP Mid player will force you to waste in on minions more often than not (just played a game where I just pushed annie to tower with morgana and lawled around ganking, granted that annie sucked, but thats not the point). Making the stun only proc on champs would probably be too OP, on the other hand, letting you save it somehow would be super helpful. Short range, weak poke, mediocre AP ratios, no mobility. She has a bunch of problems basically between 7-12 something are her "power levels". Anivia has better control and scaling. Kennen has stronger scaling and is only slightly weaker mid game, Ahri has spammable poke and mobility. Annie isn't bad but she wallows around in mediocrity much like Xin Zhao and Lux. She doesn't have poke nor does she have mobility. But her AP ratios are on par or better than lots of other AP carries. Her late game is still good too. Annie can initiate fights. Kennen can't do that, despite what people might think his ult is pretty shitty initiation. Anivia has a better late game but the only AP that has a better late game than her is probably Karthus lol. Ahri late game is definitely not as good as Annie, she can't initiate fights and she can't counter-initiate either (two things that Annie is incredible at). Annie was bad late game before her buffs. Back when she did have mediocre AP ratios. Riot changed her months ago and now her AP ratios are just as good as other champions. It actually weakened her early game slightly because they nerfed her base damages but her ratios mean she has kill threat at all stages of the game. The biggest problem with her late game is that the enemy will probably have BV but that can be countered by running an AD with good poke such as Corki. For reference, she has .7 ratio on her Q and R with a .75 ratio on W. She seriously scales just as well as most other APs save a small few (Ryze, Karthus, Anivia come to mind). She had bad ap ratios now she has mediocre ap ratios. W is melee, Q is single target. I just see its as a waste to use tibbers to intiate, your not hitting a carry and basically everyone runs QSS anyway. Ahris charm is better for it anyway because it is has a fraction of the cd. Brand, Cass, Fiddle, Karthus and Kennen ( all have better ratios for team fights and have far more mobility and also have an easier time hitting multiple targets. Annie is not a good AP champ, she is workable like MF but there are better choices. Not everyone runs QSS but I do agree that annie's AP ratios are low. Tristana has a 3.3 AP ratio. Annie has a 2.1 AP ratio. AP ratios aren't a great tool for saying a champion is strong or not though. Annie's cooldowns are low: 4 seconds on Q, 8 on W, and with some CDR she can easily stun multiple targets twice. I dunno. I stopped playing her after kennen kept hitting me with shurikens this one game and I felt like I had no way to counter. Use my stun and he gets an opportunity to initiate. Don't use it and last hit at tower D: Hm, I don't think you can compare AP ratios like that. First of all Annie gets 2 Qs off in a single combo so there you should add 0.7 to that, and in addition Tibbers has a 0.2 AP ratio per second and you're guaranteed to get at least 2 seconds off, though 4 seconds seems more realistic assuming single target burst. This means that her total AP ratio for a single target actually is 3.65. As for AoE, well I'll just say that not many champions have instant cast ranged AoE stuns. She's got the only one in the entire game. Amumu. Sry for nitpicking. Yeah I think Annie is good for more than just her ap ratios. the range on her auto attacks allow her to poke down other ads while being fairly safe. and the surprise factor from tibbers can allow you to get a full rotation on someone even if they QSS. though honestly an AD carry shouldnt be able to survive a full rotation.
sry for nitpicking, but amumu's ult stops movement (does it stop j4 flag?) and autos. it is not a stun.
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New hero, Hecarim the horsedude who goes fast
Abilities:
Warpath (Passive) – Hecarim ignores unit collision and gains attack damage equal to a percentage of his bonus movement speed.
Rampage – Hecarim cleaves nearby enemies dealing physical damage.
Spirit of Dread - Hecarim deals magic damage to nearby enemies for a short duration. Hecarim gains health equal to a percentage of any damage those enemies suffer.
Devastating Charge - Hecarim gains increasing movement speed for a short duration. His next attack knocks the target back and deals additional physical damage based on the distance he has traveled since activating the ability.
Onslaught of Shadows (Ultimate) - Hecarim summons spectral riders and charges forward, dealing magic damage in a line. Hecarim creates a shockwave when he finishes his charge dealing additional magic damage to nearby enemies causing them to flee in terror.
Boots 3 will finally have a use! Probably still worse than merc treads, though.
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I wonder if you can 1shot people with 5 PD mobo and ghost. He sounds really boring though and reminds me a lot of shyvanna for some reason.
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