EPT[Patch 1.0.0.135: Fiora] General Discussion - Page 235
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GoSuChicken
Germany1726 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:01 GoSuChicken wrote: Since there is no thread about Fiora i just wanted to quickly ask you guys what you think about the Fiora ulti. For me its totally gamedestroying, because you just become untouchable. In my opinion it totally destroys the whole Idea of teamfighting, since one enemy simply just cant be attacked for a not too short duration ... Basically, it can be shut down by quick reactions/luck, but otherwise its a pretty good ult once you it 11/16. At level 6, its a bit underwhelming imo. | ||
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Unentschieden
Germany1471 Posts
It´s how it´s presented to it´s players. "Skill" in LoL can´t be represented as a singular number, player performance is too variable for that. Players are only ever in an Elo range - the system thus should show that range instead of a seemingly fixed number. Something like SC2s system. | ||
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ManyCookies
1164 Posts
Players are only ever in an Elo range - the system thus should show that range instead of a seemingly fixed number. Something like SC2s system. That's actually a great idea. It reduces the perceived importance of each individual game and reduces the pretense of 100 ELO differences being significant. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:02 Unentschieden wrote: The true issue with LoLs rating system isn´t it´s accuracy, there is shittons of evidence that it´s good. It´s how it´s presented to it´s players. "Skill" in LoL can´t be represented as a singular number, player performance is too variable for that. Players are only ever in an Elo range - the system thus should show that range instead of a seemingly fixed number. Something like SC2s system. Interesting, this is a very true issue. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 20 2012 01:52 NeoIllusions wrote: We talking about solo q here? He's still a beast in lane and the reason Shen is ever banned is always because of his ally-saving ulti. The reason why he fell out of f(l)avor months ago was because his laning blew and most people couldn't play him as a support besides Laoching. I still say he's going to be mainstay for at least another tournament (IPL4). Banned or picked status. mmm, I dunno, maybe I'm just not that good with Shen, but I feel like his lategame teamfight presence is pretty meh. all he does is split push well, but if they have anyone who can stand up to you and hang onto a TP or disrupt your ult, he just feels underwhelming IMO due to really rough energy constraints in teamfights. | ||
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Bambipwnsu
Canada698 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:00 57 Corvette wrote: TO DISTRACT US FROM THE DUMB ARGUMENT AND TROLLING... How do I give my solo queue teammates advice without sounding like a commanding douche? I mean, when I see the Alistar constantly overextended without wards or the Graves front and center in every teamfights that gets caught and killed instantly, I tell them "X, can you please top overextending/getting caught/whatever", and most of the time they rage back at me for no good reason. ohhh I saw your post earlier but forgot to post something haha. I personally don't comment on another person's play unless its to say gj. They are most likely not going to change their playstyle mid-game and it's very hard to not get on that person's nerves. What is likely to happen though is a massive shit-fest of who is right who is wrong, which only makes everyone play worse. On the other hand if it's a teammate you know, then that mistake should be pointed out since a) they probably value your feedback and b) they can learn to fix the mistake. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
there is no way to avoid their rage. just keep playing on imo. if anything say something and if they bitch about it /ignore play till end. queue up again. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On March 20 2012 01:59 Bambipwnsu wrote: I have a huge headache from reading the last 10 or so pages :3 Going off on a completely different tangent, would any of the TL ''support players'' give me a hand? I've recently started playing support for a 5s team and I feel like I could use some tips on lane matchups, warding and generals of the sort. I play the bot lane in ranked now whether it be ad carry or support, and I feel like just in general, playing bot exclusively has helped me understand a greater deal about the lane, but I still make blatant lane mistakes when there is a matchup I dont understand. Example just yesterday me and my duo partner decided to be aggressive as Janna corki vs sona ezrael at level 3 and it ended up with us getting our asses handed on a platter lol. Is this a positional mistake of being hit by ezrael q or is the lane just stronger at that certain level. Feel free to talk to me ingame as well as in the thread. I feel like there is alot of things to be picked up from watching other people play but support streams are rare :3 Bot lane is pretty hard to theorycraft because there are so many variables. vs Sona Ez, it's a lot to do with position as your creep waves come in. Both of them have longer, more damaging pokes than Corki Janna have. You went into the game picking an aggressive pair but unluckily you were "countered" by a pair that begs for you to play aggro and eat their pokes. Looking at the load screen, Corki should have chose to farm it out. Ez Sona have superior poke and sustain. Around level 5, you can play more aggressive with level 3 Phosph Bomb and Shield. On March 20 2012 02:00 BluzMan wrote: Geez, I return in several hours and you're still arguing with this troll. So, when is the patch due? Week delayed, so tonight/tomorrow. Usual Tuesday release. On March 20 2012 02:00 57 Corvette wrote: TO DISTRACT US FROM THE DUMB ARGUMENT AND TROLLING... How do I give my solo queue teammates advice without sounding like a commanding douche? I mean, when I see the Alistar constantly overextended without wards or the Graves front and center in every teamfights that gets caught and killed instantly, I tell them "X, can you please top overextending/getting caught/whatever", but they either keep doing the same thing or they tell me to stfu or something similar Uh, be commanding? Don't sound like a douche. Just ping and make comments on what to do. It's solo q, either they heed the extra advice or they're never going to listen. Does help if you yourself are playing exceptionally well before you give advice. I know you mean well but if you're 0 3 in lane, no one is going to want to listen to you, even if your "commands" are legitimately correct. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
You need to find ways of phrasing your criticism that aren't accusatory/inflammatory/attacking. When you say 'please stop getting caught,' even if correct, you are attacking someone. You could say, "Graves, you will get more kills if you position yourself towards the back of our team during a fight." Still fairly obviously a criticism, but formulated in a way that it makes it worth it to himself very obviously to do what is being laid out for him. This is basic human psychology and conversational skill: people respond better when you make it worth their while to do so, and will almost always respond negatively when attacked or put on the defensive, which usually leads to a decrease in future performance(some exceptions, there is a time and place for negative reinforcement). | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On March 20 2012 01:49 Mogwai wrote: aight, let's knock it off and start talking about how Shen probably isn't really all that good. he's a strong champion, but after the hotfix shit, he's not OP and should be falling out of the insta-ban, insta-pick status over the next few weeks. PROBABLY? Even after those buffs he wasn't exactly scary. He's no fun to play against, I'll admit that one. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:05 Mogwai wrote: mmm, I dunno, maybe I'm just not that good with Shen, but I feel like his lategame teamfight presence is pretty meh. all he does is split push well, but if they have anyone who can stand up to you and hang onto a TP or disrupt your ult, he just feels underwhelming IMO due to really rough energy constraints in teamfights. Well, like with any champ, team comp must be taken into consideration. If you have an AoE team, obviously Ramble is going to do better than Shen. But like you said, Shen's strength is split push and ulti in. I never feel like there are energy problems unless you make an extremely poor decision. Miss a Dash and you will be fucked. Feint can be tricky to use because it's questionable whether or not people are going to target you in a team fight. For the most part, I avoid using Feint unless it's for life saving purposes (I'm near death, people are gunning to kill me, etc) | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:14 NeoIllusions wrote: Well, like with any champ, team comp must be taken into consideration. If you have an AoE team, obviously Ramble is going to do better than Shen. But like you said, Shen's strength is split push and ulti in. I never feel like there are energy problems unless you make an extremely poor decision. Miss a Dash and you will be fucked. Feint can be tricky to use because it's questionable whether or not people are going to target you in a team fight. For the most part, I avoid using Feint unless it's for life saving purposes (I'm near death, people are gunning to kill me, etc) I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I ran into a Singed with TP with Shen in AHGL and even though I could bully him in lane a bit, he eventually hit critical mass and felt infinitely more useful than me late game because I can't beat him 1v1, he out pushes me and does tons more in late game teamfights. It was just very frustrating to me to feel like I could ultimately be outclassed by a 1400 Singed as Shen. This is definitely a weird case since the skill levels of all the players in AHGL varies pretty wildly and that puts a lot of pressure on me to carry from top, but I just felt like Shen's lategame vs. a good 1v1er and pusher with TP is totally forgettable. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:01 GoSuChicken wrote: Since there is no thread about Fiora i just wanted to quickly ask you guys what you think about the Fiora ulti. For me its totally gamedestroying, because you just become untouchable. In my opinion it totally destroys the whole Idea of teamfighting, since one enemy simply just cant be attacked for a not too short duration ... Just play Jax. Press E when she ults, dodge it completely and stun her. GG Fiora. Jax has gotten me a lot of free wins this week do to all the free week noobs first-picking Fiora >.> | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
He has crazy sustain, ranged poke and CC, true damage, and maybe the best ult in the game for a bruiser. Not to mention his ridiculous passive which works very well with buying health (wait... oh, and he SCALES off health). He is pretty weak very early (1-4 maybe), then becomes a pretty big pain to lane against, not to mention his crazy anti carry capabilities in teamfights. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I noticed that I'm generally more followed on the roaming/teamfighting stuff, and far less on lane behaviour or builds (in the game I referenced yesterday, the Pantheon went something like wriggles/atmas/started a triforce against a Nidalee, as friggin' big thing Naut I advised me to build more AD, as I was already taking all aggro each fight, but he never listened). Also, people in premade tend to listen much less from what I've experienced. Edit: also, what went on in that Fiora video? I didn't understand how WW did it. Or was it simply a random bug? | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
his lategame energy is definitely a problem, moreso than before i think shen works better in smaller fights now, tbh. his damage output is really good in small exchanges. | ||
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seRapH
United States9821 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:24 mr_tolkien wrote: I don't get how Olaf isn't a top pick for the top lane. He has crazy sustain, ranged poke and CC, true damage, and maybe the best ult in the game for a bruiser. Not to mention his ridiculous passive which works very well with buying health (wait... oh, and he SCALES off health). He is pretty weak very early (1-4 maybe), then becomes a pretty big pain to lane against, not to mention his crazy anti carry capabilities in teamfights. People generally don't like bruisers without gap closers (see nasus, trundle, etc). They end up being quite kitable. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 20 2012 02:27 gtrsrs wrote: neo, you don't even have any ranked games played with shen ~_~ his lategame energy is definitely a problem, moreso than before i think shen works better in smaller fights now, tbh. his damage output is really good in small exchanges. I dunno, his damage output is OK, but you have to sorta itemize for it, which makes you less tanky and gets you trucked in teamfights. bleh, I'm just frustrated that in a straight up 5v5 engage I felt like I could taunt and then do nothing as a bruiser. maybe I'm just too used to the top end teamfighting bruisers to play Shen. | ||
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