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Mono vs Epik coming up for Fata1ty tournament.
Earlier games:
1. TSM vs Ordinance: TSM wins and advances to next round. Very sloppy play from both sides.
2. Curse vs. some random team: Curse wins, Pobelter and Jacky stomp their lanes, real boring game.
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On March 18 2012 08:35 De4ngus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
I simply don't see how you can start E unless a gun is being held to your head and your team is invading.
For trades in lane? How the hell can you even trade with some of these top lanes at level 1? Maybe I'm grossly underestimating E first on Irelia, but some tops like Wukong and Olaf would just shit on that early on. if you level e and they fight you level 1 you stun them and hit them. if they fight you with level 1 w you do..... nothing.
And going back to what this was all about(Irelia vs Nasus) Nasus isn't going to even go after you in the first place. You have to commit to him, because he will gladly take you to a farm fest if neither one of you will attack the other.
It must be the mentality I have when I play Irelia, but basically there is no mana spending. If they want to harass you at level one, I back up and let them do as they please. When minions get to tower and you have level 2, proceed to be one of the best champions to last hit at tower in the game.
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Getting e first means u have an 80 damage nuke and a free autoattack when trading level one. Thats why you win level 1 trades. Getting w first means u heal 20 hp and deal 30 true damage with your maybe 2 autoattacks before they back off. E also has a much lower cd than W.
As for giving Lulu/other new champions higher base stats... I think riot secretly does this so people get used to playing the new champions with a higher base stats as a crutch, and then remove it later on once people figure out the champions. Kind of like training wheels for a bike.
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On March 18 2012 08:45 dignity wrote:
As for giving Lulu/other new champions higher base stats... I think riot secretly does this so people get used to playing the new champions with a higher base stats as a crutch, and then remove it later on once people figure out the champions. Kind of like training wheels for a bike.
It's just power creep. It happens in every game that continues to expand, because if it didn't happen 99% of people would lose interest very quickly. Card games are notorious for this, but MMO's do it pretty often (remember when 4k was good dps in wow? Yea like 3 years ago.)
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Hey, quick question:
Who would be the "educational" streamers of LoL? Not necessarily in a Day[9] way, or like the GTR hour, but someone who talks about what he's doing during stream in high level play. That said, Day[9]s and Artosises would also be welcome.
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On March 18 2012 08:45 dignity wrote:
Getting e first means u have an 80 damage nuke and a free autoattack when trading level one. Thats why you win level 1 trades. Getting w first means u heal 20 hp and deal 30 true damage with your maybe 2 autoattacks before they back off. E also has a much lower cd than W.
As for giving Lulu/other new champions higher base stats... I think riot secretly does this so people get used to playing the new champions with a higher base stats as a crutch, and then remove it later on once people figure out the champions. Kind of like training wheels for a bike.
Thing is, commiting that early to nasus just means you will take almost as much damage from creeps as you deal to him, and he'll have a fairly easy time recovering the damage. You'll also push the lane, and Nasus is one of the champs who will happily farm all day at tower if you push the lane. I'd say it's possibly even better to just Q first so you don't miss a creep ever.
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On March 18 2012 09:01 sToFu wrote:
Hey, quick question:
Who would be the "educational" streamers of LoL? Not necessarily in a Day[9] way, or like the GTR hour, but someone who talks about what he's doing during stream in high level play. That said, Day[9]s and Artosises would also be welcome.
Studio has a few vids for analysis (Reddit search)
And most would say that you can learn a lot from scarra's stream. He talks about what he does in game and answers questions from chat.
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On March 18 2012 09:01 sToFu wrote:
Hey, quick question:
Who would be the "educational" streamers of LoL? Not necessarily in a Day[9] way, or like the GTR hour, but someone who talks about what he's doing during stream in high level play. That said, Day[9]s and Artosises would also be welcome.
I'm streaming right now. Check sidebar ----->
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On March 18 2012 09:01 sToFu wrote:
Hey, quick question:
Who would be the "educational" streamers of LoL? Not necessarily in a Day[9] way, or like the GTR hour, but someone who talks about what he's doing during stream in high level play. That said, Day[9]s and Artosises would also be welcome.
LoCiero, Tree Eskimo, ShakeDrizzle often talk about what they're doing ingame.
Dan Dihn is good with shoutcasting, explaining why people do stuff. But he doesn't usually go over what he does while playing.
Oh yeah, scarra too. 
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On March 18 2012 08:25 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:21 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 08:13 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:09 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 2 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. Why would you start W vs Nasus. Why on earth. Because you don't start anything else on Irelia...? Ok. That's the end of our discussion, thank you very much for making me realize your opinion is worthless ! PS : try Ctrl+E at the start of your next game, you might learn something. No need to be an ass just because he plays his irelia different than you lol
The problem isn't playing Irelia different than sombedy, it's having the mindset «I go X first spell WHATEVER THE MATCH UP SAW IT IN A GUIDE» after making very bold statements on a well known char.
Especially when you won't make any use of said spell at lvl1 in most matchups.
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On March 18 2012 09:26 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:25 JackDino wrote:On March 18 2012 08:21 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 08:13 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:09 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 2 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. Why would you start W vs Nasus. Why on earth. Because you don't start anything else on Irelia...? Ok. That's the end of our discussion, thank you very much for making me realize your opinion is worthless ! PS : try Ctrl+E at the start of your next game, you might learn something. No need to be an ass just because he plays his irelia different than you lol The problem isn't playing Irelia different than sombedy, it's having the mindset «I go X first spell WHATEVER THE MATCH UP SAW IT IN A GUIDE» after making very bold statements on a well known char.
Except it was irelia vs nasus. Still no reason to be an ass, wether he's right or wrong.
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On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 3-4 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither.
I would think every single AD ranged outscales nasus but takes more time to get there. And nasus's wither can temporarily reduce their scaling. Though as t->infiinity maybe veigar>nasus>sion>rest?
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On March 18 2012 04:43 koreasilver wrote:
The nerf on Irelia's W passive is so unwarranted. She already has a weak early game and it's not like she doesn't have a lot of bad matchups either. Pretty dumb nerf.
What bad matchups does she have as of now?
I mean, the reason she's picked in competitive play is because there's really not a lot of champions that can push her out of lane...
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On March 18 2012 09:51 Qualm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 04:43 koreasilver wrote:
The nerf on Irelia's W passive is so unwarranted. She already has a weak early game and it's not like she doesn't have a lot of bad matchups either. Pretty dumb nerf. What bad matchups does she have as of now? I mean, the reason she's picked in competitive play is because there's really not a lot of champions that can push her out of lane...
Morde, Nasus, Rumble, Tryn, Riven, Udyr, to name a few. That's not my opinion, that's coming from Wickd, and I think he would know better than anyone in the world.
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On March 18 2012 09:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 3-4 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. I would think every single AD ranged outscales nasus but takes more time to get there. And nasus's wither can temporarily reduce their scaling. Though as t->infiinity maybe veigar>nasus>sion>rest?
Sion is #1 at infinity time because infinite HP = infinite AD with Atma \o/
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On March 18 2012 09:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 3-4 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. I would think every single AD ranged outscales nasus but takes more time to get there. And nasus's wither can temporarily reduce their scaling. Though as t->infiinity maybe veigar>nasus>sion>rest?
Only if you can kite him. Hard to kite him because of wither. A farmed Nasus will kill most ranged ADs with like two Qs so you have to play really careful. If someone on your team can CC him and you can avoid being withered you can kill Nasus though.
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On March 18 2012 10:14 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 09:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 3-4 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. I would think every single AD ranged outscales nasus but takes more time to get there. And nasus's wither can temporarily reduce their scaling. Though as t->infiinity maybe veigar>nasus>sion>rest? Sion is #1 at infinity time because infinite HP = infinite AD with Atma \o/
Veigar still kills Sion though, assuming veigar doesn't facecheck into a sion bush because of range. Nasus vs Sion though, idk. Depends on who's attack animation is faster. EDIT: actually sion can stun flash right click and win?
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On March 18 2012 10:32 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 10:14 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 09:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 3-4 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. I would think every single AD ranged outscales nasus but takes more time to get there. And nasus's wither can temporarily reduce their scaling. Though as t->infiinity maybe veigar>nasus>sion>rest? Sion is #1 at infinity time because infinite HP = infinite AD with Atma \o/ Veigar still kills Sion though, assuming veigar doesn't facecheck into a sion bush because of range. Nasus vs Sion though, idk. Depends on who's attack animation is faster. EDIT: actually sion can stun flash right click and win?
I'm pretty sure there's a max cap on AP (the time when d ring was broken)
So therefore Sion with his infinite hp wins.
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On March 18 2012 08:39 HPoirot wrote:Mono vs Epik coming up for Fata1ty tournament. Earlier games: 1. TSM vs Ordinance: TSM wins and advances to next round. Very sloppy play from both sides. 2. Curse vs. some random team: Curse wins, Pobelter and Jacky stomp their lanes, real boring game.
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