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On March 18 2012 06:25 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 06:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
so both bolts do 280+0.7AP damage. AP Lulu best if you have god-like skiilshot skills. That doesn't seem that out there. Recall from the reveal article: I'm guessing how this works out is that one bolt hits the first target, and then the second bolt passes through that target and hits the next one. In a nutshell, it's a Lux Q that slows instead of rooting, but applies full damage and duration to both targets. Easily quite reasonable if they get the CD and range right, even if it costs 40 mana at level 1. EDIT: Also, the other relevant question is how Pix being attached to someone else affects the targeting (maybe they each fire from their respective cast points?).
They do fire from different cast points if Pix is attached to someone else from what I saw on Nhat's stream last night.
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On March 18 2012 06:25 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 06:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
so both bolts do 280+0.7AP damage. AP Lulu best if you have god-like skiilshot skills. That doesn't seem that out there. Recall from the reveal article: I'm guessing how this works out is that one bolt hits the first target, and then the second bolt passes through that target and hits the next one. In a nutshell, it's a Lux Q that slows instead of rooting, but applies full damage and duration to both targets. Easily quite reasonable if they get the CD and range right, even if it costs 40 mana at level 1. EDIT: Also, the other relevant question is how Pix being attached to someone else affects the targeting (maybe they each fire from their respective cast points?).
They do! It is pretty rad since you can get some interesting cross fire going on. The bolts actually pierce their targets, so it is more like Caitlyn's Q than Lux's binding.
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thx guys, i will have to try the matchup more, maybe i will make it work some day. 
And a drunken confession, thank you all, have TL:s lol part as my default page now, and i really enjoy your ouput in the game. Keep it up, and maybe some day i will make it to 1500e ^^
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So what's the cooldown on that Q? Judging from the mana cost, it's gotta be low. Judging from the potential damage and AP ratio, it better be pretty damn high. 280+0.7, line splash, strong slow? Sounds ridiculous.
7 sec seems too low...
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On March 18 2012 06:41 spinesheath wrote:
So what's the cooldown on that Q? Judging from the mana cost, it's gotta be low. Judging from the potential damage and AP ratio, it better be pretty damn high. 280+0.7, line splash, strong slow? Sounds ridiculous.
it's not that low. based on nhat's stream yesterday, at 40% cdr, the cooldown is 4.2 seconds.
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On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1.
Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility...
Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game.
Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight.
Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team.
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I think it's strange that Lulu has the second highest base life. They gave Riven the highest health regen and talon the highest mana regen on their release and then removed both through nerfs. Why give champions good stats to begin with if you're just going to remove them? So if you need to nerf them you don't change how they play? So they sell better when they're released?
I really think if they give good stats to a champion they should try to keep them.
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Ugh voyboy is streaming but half of the screen is filled with ads and pointless shit lol.
And I have to say, that beard/hair makes him look much older than a high school senior.
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On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team.
Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off?
You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 3-4 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q.
No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither.
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On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 2 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither.
Why would you start W vs Nasus. Why on earth.
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On March 18 2012 08:09 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 2 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. Why would you start W vs Nasus. Why on earth.
Because you don't start anything else on Irelia...?
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Yeah i almost never open W on irelia. E is too good for level one trades and Q is good for passive farming. W level one does nothing.
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On March 18 2012 08:13 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:09 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 2 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. Why would you start W vs Nasus. Why on earth. Because you don't start anything else on Irelia...?
Ok. That's the end of our discussion, thank you very much for making me realize your opinion is worthless !
PS : try Ctrl+E at the start of your next game, you might learn something.
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i dont think ive ever started w on irelia before lol
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Cloud vs Cloud. Who is the better Irelia. dundundunnnn
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On March 18 2012 08:21 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 08:13 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 08:09 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.
I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1. Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility... Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game. Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight. Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team. Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off? You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 2 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q. No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither. Why would you start W vs Nasus. Why on earth. Because you don't start anything else on Irelia...? Ok. That's the end of our discussion, thank you very much for making me realize your opinion is worthless ! PS : try Ctrl+E at the start of your next game, you might learn something.
No need to be an ass just because he plays his irelia different than you lol
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I simply don't see how you can start E unless a gun is being held to your head and your team is invading.
For trades in lane? How the hell can you even trade with some of these top lanes at level 1? Maybe I'm grossly underestimating E first on Irelia, but some tops like Wukong and Olaf would just shit on that early on.
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On March 18 2012 08:28 Cloud9157 wrote:
I simply don't see how you can start E unless a gun is being held to your head and your team is invading.
For trades in lane? How the hell can you even trade with some of these top lanes at level 1? Maybe I'm grossly underestimating E first on Irelia, but some tops like Wukong and Olaf would just shit on that early on.
if you level e and they fight you level 1 you stun them and hit them. if they fight you with level 1 w you do..... nothing.
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