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Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 17 2012 20:03 GMT
#4041
On March 18 2012 04:59 Shikyo wrote:
One could also say that champions like Gangplank and Warwick actually have a stronger lategame and are more difficult to dislodge early as well =P I really wonder what the point of irelia will be now, they can just counter with something like Udyr and probably even with Warwick or Olaf and she can barely farm


Olaf already demolished her in lane, probably the 3rd hardest lane for her after Udyr and Nasus. WW was ok before, but now he is just going to laugh at her whenever a fight breaks out.

I'll say this again, I would be perfectly fine with this if they made W last longer.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
March 17 2012 20:08 GMT
#4042
The already strong counter picks will not demolish her.

Gaslo
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland951 Posts
March 17 2012 20:12 GMT
#4043
How does Irelia vs nasus lane supposed to work? I always here that nasus is the counter to irelia, but when ever i try nasus, it goes like:

i go Q a minion, irelia jumps on me, starts hitting me with W, if i wither he uses E, we back off. if i go Q a minion he does the same again etc.

Granted, i have only played the lane 3 times (where once the irelia was really passive and i carried, once he attacked me and zoned me out but i still carried, and once i went like 0/100) so i don't know how to play it. But still, it feels too hard for my noob brains.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 17 2012 20:17 GMT
#4044
Wither when she W. She can't kill you, you freefarm, you win.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 20:18 GMT
#4045
You basically farm with Q. She shouldn't be able to harrass like that... you just run away and heal the damage she deals, she doesn't have infinite mana etc. and is going to fall behind in farm.

After a while, especially after these irelia nerfs, Nasus can just W and double Q every time Irelia comes close and Irelia can't do anything.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 20:27:44
March 17 2012 20:27 GMT
#4046
Shikyo can I just give you my general feelings about jax? I cannot overstate how much I have played him in the past couple weeks, I'm absolutely certain about what to do with jax at the moment:

Jax is very good. His laning vs other melee heroes is excellent because W is very strong maxed first and his E and Q give him gank resistence, and he is acceptable at worst vs ranged heroes. If you go defense masteries his trading and base damage is excellent.

Triforce sucks big ol' dicks. His abilities scale very nicely, triforce is like an item that has scaling almost independent of your hero so you buy it on guys without big steroids. Gunblade is... lol. It's so bad.

I agree with slayer that the reason jax is viewed as weak in teamfights is because people fly into the face of the enemy squishies and dive their team expecting their E to protect them. He cannot just balls out like this, he'll do plenty of work playing more circumspectly.

I do not agree with slayer that wriggles rageblade warmogs is the right build. I was running that for some time but by far the strongest build on him is wriggles wit's end rylais. I cannot overstate how much better this is. Wit's end is absolutely abusive on jax if they have any reasonable amount of magic damage, it's a core item imo.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 17 2012 20:40 GMT
#4047
You guys are crazy saying irelia nerfs are unwarranted and that she has bad matchups
You can rune irelia to beat literally anyone in lane and her strong lanes are really really strong
She now just takes more skill to play she isn't faceroll anymore
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 17 2012 20:41 GMT
#4048
You can. Reason for Gunblade is simply that I don't think Wriggles is nearly enough sustain in fights especially as almost none of his damage is physical and he gets very little +AD so it ends up giving him very little health. It might not be the best but <_< That's the idea.

And yeah that build seems good but I'm pretty sure it again has the issue of dealing 0 damage though I am not sure how many times I've tried that specific one. I still don't think Jax is very strong though and I still don't think his laning is that good
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 20:47:32
March 17 2012 20:44 GMT
#4049
On March 18 2012 05:41 Shikyo wrote:
You can. Reason for Gunblade is simply that I don't think Wriggles is nearly enough sustain in fights especially as almost none of his damage is physical and he gets very little +AD so it ends up giving him very little health. It might not be the best but <_< That's the idea.

And yeah that build seems good but I'm pretty sure it again has the issue of dealing 0 damage though I am not sure how many times I've tried that specific one. I still don't think Jax is very strong though and I still don't think his laning is that good


Almost all of Jax's damage is physical now. They changed his Q and E to dealing physical damage. His only magic damage is from W and R. His W resets his auto attack timer, so it also has a physical damage component.

I don't see why Witt's End would be so great on Jax. He doesn't really benefit much from attack speed, and with zero offensive stats there is nothing for his ultimate to multiply. If you really want an offensive item that gives MR, get Abyssal or Hexdrinker.

Edit: Ah, I see you meant physical in regards to spell vamp vs. lifesteal. I agree that life steal does not work that well on Jax, since most of his damage are physical damage spells.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 17 2012 20:45 GMT
#4050
On March 18 2012 05:40 gtrsrs wrote:
You guys are crazy saying irelia nerfs are unwarranted and that she has bad matchups
You can rune irelia to beat literally anyone in lane and her strong lanes are really really strong
She now just takes more skill to play she isn't faceroll anymore


So how do you rune vs Udyr? He rapes your face at pretty much every stage in lane.

Olaf I can see by building more HPs. Hes still going to zone you for a little bit though, since he just gets to E all day.

Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.

She isn't faceroll material until she WE and has maxed W. Even then, she has some close duels with a lot of champions.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 20:49:56
March 17 2012 20:48 GMT
#4051
On March 18 2012 05:44 GreenManalishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 05:41 Shikyo wrote:
You can. Reason for Gunblade is simply that I don't think Wriggles is nearly enough sustain in fights especially as almost none of his damage is physical and he gets very little +AD so it ends up giving him very little health. It might not be the best but <_< That's the idea.

And yeah that build seems good but I'm pretty sure it again has the issue of dealing 0 damage though I am not sure how many times I've tried that specific one. I still don't think Jax is very strong though and I still don't think his laning is that good


Almost all of Jax's damage is physical now. They changed his Q and E to dealing physical damage. His only magic damage is from W and R. His W resets his auto attack timer, so it also has a physical damage component.

I don't see why Witt's End would be so great on Jax. He doesn't really benefit much from attack speed, and with zero offensive stats there is nothing for his ultimate to multiply. If you really want an offensive item that gives MR, get Abyssal or Hexdrinker.

Oh I totally missed they changed his Q. No wonder it deals no damage now. But either way that doesn't lifesteal so I don't get your point either way? It's just a nerf because Jax doesn't get penetration and everyone has higher armor than mres. Which was the point - lifesteal doesn't help him much because his autos don't deal almost any of his damage.


TYPO FIXED
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Condor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands188 Posts
March 17 2012 20:59 GMT
#4052
From http://www.lolpro.com/news/252-lulu-patch-skills-details-champions-and-items


Glitterlance
Lulu and Pix each fire a piercing bolt dealing 80/130/180/230/280 (+0.7) magic damage, slowing enemies hit by 80% for 1/1.3/1.5/1.8/2 second(s). This slow decays over time.

Cost 40/45/50/55/60 Mana
Range 25000


Wait, what?....


A lvl 1 80 damage ability that costs 40 Mana? And it slows by 80% for 1 second, and it has range 25000? That can't be right, that is full map. Maybe it is 2500 (half TF ult), but even then, does it move at snails pace? That seems absolutely ridiculous. Snipe enemy blue while standing at tower. And don't get me started on lvl 1 teamfight utility.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 17 2012 21:01 GMT
#4053
On March 18 2012 05:59 Condor wrote:
From http://www.lolpro.com/news/252-lulu-patch-skills-details-champions-and-items

Show nested quote +

Glitterlance
Lulu and Pix each fire a piercing bolt dealing 80/130/180/230/280 (+0.7) magic damage, slowing enemies hit by 80% for 1/1.3/1.5/1.8/2 second(s). This slow decays over time.

Cost 40/45/50/55/60 Mana
Range 25000


Wait, what?....


A lvl 1 80 damage ability that costs 40 Mana? And it slows by 80% for 1 second, and it has range 25000? That can't be right, that is full map. Maybe it is 2500 (half TF ult), but even then, does it move at snails pace? That seems absolutely ridiculous. Snipe enemy blue while standing at tower. And don't get me started on lvl 1 teamfight utility.

I often see this before a champ is released. The range numbers are wrong.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
March 17 2012 21:02 GMT
#4054
most likely havent put the range in...

Def wasnt going that far when i was watching nhat
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 21:05:58
March 17 2012 21:02 GMT
#4055
On March 18 2012 05:59 Condor wrote:
From http://www.lolpro.com/news/252-lulu-patch-skills-details-champions-and-items

Show nested quote +

Glitterlance
Lulu and Pix each fire a piercing bolt dealing 80/130/180/230/280 (+0.7) magic damage, slowing enemies hit by 80% for 1/1.3/1.5/1.8/2 second(s). This slow decays over time.

Cost 40/45/50/55/60 Mana
Range 25000


Wait, what?....


A lvl 1 80 damage ability that costs 40 Mana? And it slows by 80% for 1 second, and it has range 25000? That can't be right, that is full map. Maybe it is 2500 (half TF ult), but even then, does it move at snails pace? That seems absolutely ridiculous. Snipe enemy blue while standing at tower. And don't get me started on lvl 1 teamfight utility.


The range is off. From what I've seen it looks like ~800 range. It is a very narrow, but very fast, skill shot. 80 damage seems about right for a level 1 skill shot, but 40 mana does seem a bit low.

On March 18 2012 05:48 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 05:44 GreenManalishi wrote:
On March 18 2012 05:41 Shikyo wrote:
You can. Reason for Gunblade is simply that I don't think Wriggles is nearly enough sustain in fights especially as almost none of his damage is physical and he gets very little +AD so it ends up giving him very little health. It might not be the best but <_< That's the idea.

And yeah that build seems good but I'm pretty sure it again has the issue of dealing 0 damage though I am not sure how many times I've tried that specific one. I still don't think Jax is very strong though and I still don't think his laning is that good


Almost all of Jax's damage is physical now. They changed his Q and E to dealing physical damage. His only magic damage is from W and R. His W resets his auto attack timer, so it also has a physical damage component.

I don't see why Witt's End would be so great on Jax. He doesn't really benefit much from attack speed, and with zero offensive stats there is nothing for his ultimate to multiply. If you really want an offensive item that gives MR, get Abyssal or Hexdrinker.

Oh I totally missed they changed his Q. No wonder it deals no damage now. But either way that doesn't lifesteal so I don't get your point either way? It's just a nerf because Jax doesn't get penetration and everyone has higher armor than mres. Which was the point - lifesteal doesn't help him much because his autos don't deal almost any of his damage.


TYPO FIXED


Haha, yeah. I didn't understand when I skimmed your post the first time. I edited my post to show that. Agreed that lifesteal isn't that brilliant on Jax, but Gunblade isn't efficient enough right now to be viable either. I think Wriggle's is still the best early option. And about penetration, I usually go 9/21/0 on Jax, and grab the 10% physical penetration mastery. I also start with flat AD quints and ArPen marks, so I do have some armour penetration. late game, as a 6th item, Last Whisper is really strong on Jax.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 17 2012 21:06 GMT
#4056
On March 18 2012 05:44 GreenManalishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 05:41 Shikyo wrote:
You can. Reason for Gunblade is simply that I don't think Wriggles is nearly enough sustain in fights especially as almost none of his damage is physical and he gets very little +AD so it ends up giving him very little health. It might not be the best but <_< That's the idea.

And yeah that build seems good but I'm pretty sure it again has the issue of dealing 0 damage though I am not sure how many times I've tried that specific one. I still don't think Jax is very strong though and I still don't think his laning is that good


Almost all of Jax's damage is physical now. They changed his Q and E to dealing physical damage. His only magic damage is from W and R. His W resets his auto attack timer, so it also has a physical damage component.

I don't see why Witt's End would be so great on Jax. He doesn't really benefit much from attack speed, and with zero offensive stats there is nothing for his ultimate to multiply. If you really want an offensive item that gives MR, get Abyssal or Hexdrinker.

Edit: Ah, I see you meant physical in regards to spell vamp vs. lifesteal. I agree that life steal does not work that well on Jax, since most of his damage are physical damage spells.

Jax does want a bit of attack speed. He needs it so he can get his passive stacks up asap; it also increases his overall damage by a TON since his R accounts for a good portion of his dps.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 17 2012 21:15 GMT
#4057
so both bolts do 280+0.7AP damage. AP Lulu best if you have god-like skiilshot skills.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-17 21:27:20
March 17 2012 21:25 GMT
#4058
On March 18 2012 06:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
so both bolts do 280+0.7AP damage. AP Lulu best if you have god-like skiilshot skills.

That doesn't seem that out there. Recall from the reveal article:
An enemy can only be damaged by one bolt.

I'm guessing how this works out is that one bolt hits the first target, and then the second bolt passes through that target and hits the next one. In a nutshell, it's a Lux Q that slows instead of rooting, but applies full damage and duration to both targets.

Easily quite reasonable if they get the CD and range right, even if it costs 40 mana at level 1.

EDIT: Also, the other relevant question is how Pix being attached to someone else affects the targeting (maybe they each fire from their respective cast points?).
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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 17 2012 21:26 GMT
#4059
On March 18 2012 06:15 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
so both bolts do 280+0.7AP damage. AP Lulu best if you have god-like skiilshot skills.



only one can hit a target and do damage
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 17 2012 21:31 GMT
#4060
It's piercing, so it'll hit any unit on the path, they just take damage only once, kinda like the blades of Talon's ult.
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