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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 18 2012 01:45 GMT
#4101
On March 18 2012 10:44 arnath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 08:39 HPoirot wrote:
Mono vs Epik coming up for Fata1ty tournament.

Earlier games:
1. TSM vs Ordinance: TSM wins and advances to next round. Very sloppy play from both sides.
2. Curse vs. some random team: Curse wins, Pobelter and Jacky stomp their lanes, real boring game.


Who's commentating this thing?

4CJ and phantomlord
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
March 18 2012 01:49 GMT
#4102
Rofl at saint trying to figure out which runes are which since everything is in Korean.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 18 2012 01:53 GMT
#4103
EG threw that game away kinda hard.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 18 2012 01:53 GMT
#4104
Not banning cassiopeia vs Mm...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
March 18 2012 01:54 GMT
#4105
Yeah not sure how Saint can play solo Q when he can't read Korean... Forget the runes but you also can't communicate what role you're playing with or what to do so your teammates will rage at you without you even knowing what is going on.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 18 2012 01:55 GMT
#4106
On March 18 2012 10:54 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah not sure how Saint can play solo Q when he can't read Korean... Forget the runes but you also can't communicate what role you're playing with or what to do so your teammates will rage at you without you even knowing what is going on.



you have never watched Saintvicious play solo queue before have you?
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 02:02:36
March 18 2012 01:58 GMT
#4107
I have. Even if he doesn't talk being able to read what other people are saying is important. Reading what other people say can avoid the hard random trundle games too when someone wants to jungle on his team.

Eh nvm. At least in this game Koreans are using English words or phrases like "ward" and "mid mia" so it probably isn't that bad as some words aren't translated. The pings are also helpful.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
March 18 2012 01:59 GMT
#4108
On March 18 2012 10:54 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah not sure how Saint can play solo Q when he can't read Korean... Forget the runes but you also can't communicate what role you're playing with or what to do so your teammates will rage at you without you even knowing what is going on.


Saint actually seems competent, but the number of times he fizzed on Requiem that game was hilarious.
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
March 18 2012 02:01 GMT
#4109
On March 18 2012 10:36 Abenson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 10:32 Amui wrote:
On March 18 2012 10:14 mr_tolkien wrote:
On March 18 2012 09:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
On March 18 2012 08:06 Cloud9157 wrote:
On March 18 2012 07:39 mr_tolkien wrote:
On March 18 2012 05:45 Cloud9157 wrote:
Nasus is her worst lane. She does not have the ability to play aggressive early in lane, and you really need to against him. Worst part is you just lose to him more and more as the lane goes on.

I just fail to see how... Just jump on him and abuse his very high mana costs early on. Don't let him farm Q and force him to use it for trades or just outright die at lvl1.
Dunno, to me Irelia is maybe the hardest possible counter to nasus since she destroys him early on and outscales him later thanks to AoE and mobility...

Irelia as of now is clearly one of the safest lane pick (sustain, mobility, cc, very high trade potential), and a mid-late game monster. If your jungler helps you, the snowballing following is unmanageable by most teams. Not laners. Teams. An Irelia with a single early kill can usually single handledly carry the game.

Giving free and constant CC immunity as well as a very diverse skillset (sustain, true damage, mobility, AoE, CC) to a single champ. She can't be focused down and, if she isn't, she can usually 1v3 at the end of the teamfight.

Dunno, Irelia nerfs seem VERY warranted to me, just like Riven nerfs would be. But at least, a Riven drops dead to CC focus and needs to build very offensively to be useful to her team.


Irelia does not kill ANYONE at level 1. She starts W and does what, AA Nasus 2 times while he backs off?

You also must not realize how high Irelia's mana costs are. Bladsurge chews through your mana if you don't last hit with it. Pretty much you have enough mana for 3-4 exchanges with Q+W+E on her. Nasus uses Wither+Q.

No, Irelia does not outscale Nasus. No one in this game outscales Nasus(except maybe Trynd) into late game, assuming Nasus farms the shit out of his Q. One thing Irelia definitely has over him is the ability to not be kited. I would argue he has the better "stay put AD carry so I can kill you" in Wither.


I would think every single AD ranged outscales nasus but takes more time to get there. And nasus's wither can temporarily reduce their scaling. Though as t->infiinity maybe veigar>nasus>sion>rest?

Sion is #1 at infinity time because infinite HP = infinite AD with Atma \o/


Veigar still kills Sion though, assuming veigar doesn't facecheck into a sion bush because of range. Nasus vs Sion though, idk. Depends on who's attack animation is faster. EDIT: actually sion can stun flash right click and win?


I'm pretty sure there's a max cap on AP (the time when d ring was broken)
So therefore Sion with his infinite hp wins.


Nasus goes Banshee/Qss but Sion can tie it by going thornmail.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
March 18 2012 02:03 GMT
#4110
This tournament is so awkward. So much product placement for fatal1ty.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
March 18 2012 02:12 GMT
#4111
To the Person asking about irelia... You're allowed to use common sense and different skill orders in different lanes you know
Formexample taking w on irelia against nasus doesn't really make sense, as it's a timed buff andtherefor reliant on AS, which wither obviously counters. Irelia was a dominant champ way back in the day before people moved to w-centric builds... In fact Atlanta popularized her as a burtster. Max q and e against nasus, harass on cooldown. Boom wither does nothing. Additionally I don't think you shod ever OPEN w on irelia, that's just asking to get bossed. No matter what the lane I'd open eqw or at the least qew

Udyr is def a hard matchup, but again nothing is impossible on irelia. I'd probably go full mr runes into tabi and wriggles, boom you've completely diminished his only form of damage, dots and autoattacks

You have to have an open mind with champions, especially those with multiple build paths and orders
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 02:26:42
March 18 2012 02:21 GMT
#4112
Fan: SV you real handsome guy
SV: Why do Koreans say this?
Fan: I don't get what you mean. My English very bad.
Fan: "Many Koreans think you very handsome"

I'm assuming the fan is a dude given his murloc name and I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Korean fans regardless of gender care more about looks of even male progamers.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
March 18 2012 02:31 GMT
#4113
I think saintvicious is really handsome, but personally I am attracted to dudes so I suppose I am atypical in finding this relevant to anything.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 02:37:55
March 18 2012 02:33 GMT
#4114
Oh he was able to follow instructions to get English in his LoL client. And yeah I assume these are straight guys saying this to him and it's not something that Western men would say, which is a small culture shock for Saint.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 18 2012 02:39 GMT
#4115
On March 18 2012 10:54 BlackMagister wrote:
Yeah not sure how Saint can play solo Q when he can't read Korean... Forget the runes but you also can't communicate what role you're playing with or what to do so your teammates will rage at you without you even knowing what is going on.

I just watched his last game, Koreans speaks enough English to communicate with him quite well last game. They are better than those Chinese or South America gamers that say nothing on NA lol.

he seems to make the client switch to English now though.
Terran
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 02:48:47
March 18 2012 02:45 GMT
#4116
I don't know if this is confirmation bias, but the Koreans on Saint's stream seem... aggressive.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 18 2012 02:53 GMT
#4117
On March 18 2012 11:45 ManyCookies wrote:
I don't know if this is confirmation bias, but the Koreans on Saint's stream seem... aggressive.

Its the internet lol what do you expect. Those in sv last games were very nice, even Kass ask sv if he can take blue(2nd or 3rd blue)
Terran
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 18 2012 02:53 GMT
#4118
On March 18 2012 11:45 ManyCookies wrote:
I don't know if this is confirmation bias, but the Koreans on Saint's stream seem... aggressive.

'cause that's so much different than LoL players from other countries.
twitch.tv/cratonz
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 02:56:23
March 18 2012 02:55 GMT
#4119
I meant their gameplay, jeez. I can't cite a specific example, but they just seem very willing to engage and fight.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-18 03:15:05
March 18 2012 03:07 GMT
#4120
From what I saw briefly watching him, there were a huge number of misplays by both teams. It seems less a culture of being aggressive and more people not being able to properly gauge when to fight / run like you often see with lower Elo play. Not sure how high his account is, but the people didn't look very good in the game I saw.

There was also a surprising amount of raging in English considering it's the Korean server.
twitch.tv/cratonz
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