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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 15 2012 14:56 GMT
#3241
On March 15 2012 23:50 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 23:44 Mogwai wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh. I just dont think there is a good way to fix it without making the jungling significantly worse (or harder (which Riot definitly doesnt want)). But then again, they did push through the jungle remake, so anything is possible.

But if you dont want to get level 2 ganked, just buy a damn ward when you go top lane. Or get your support to ward for you. Its not like every jungle can level 2 gank effectivly anyway.

opening a ward in top lane is frequently enough to cost you the lane anyway, lol. top lane is the fucking worst, god I hate it so much.


says this, first picks wukong constantly


lololool :D

my default FP is Jungle Jarman now though, LOL. I've been pigeonholing myself into being a top laner too much, now I'm just accepting that, at least for solo queue purposes at my current elo, I'm carrying much harder with Jarman out of the jungle than anyone out of top (in my last 4 games I've gone 4-0 with over 12.0 KDA ratio). either way though, top lane has been stupid as hell since the jungle changes. seriously it's the worst fucking lane because jungler doesn't lose anything from camping you for 2 minutes in the opening stage of the game. at least at mid you can just play Karma, top has no redeeming factors right now.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 15 2012 14:59 GMT
#3242
Pre-nerf irelia would be the most hilarious shit on earth nowadays. If jungler camps you it would just mean free double kills every few mins lolol.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
March 15 2012 15:01 GMT
#3243
On March 15 2012 23:59 BlackPaladin wrote:
Pre-nerf irelia would be the most hilarious shit on earth nowadays. If jungler camps you it would just mean free double kills every few mins lolol.

Pre-nerf Irelia still didn't hit her sweet spot until level 7. She'd still get bodied by lane camping when lane camping is most effective.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 15:19 GMT
#3244
This I'm A Carry show with Saint is awesome, Loco playing translator, actually quite entertaining to watch.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
March 15 2012 15:21 GMT
#3245
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 15:23 GMT
#3246
On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.


Loco is basically repeating everything Saint says in Korean, even if it's only directed at himself or a random comment.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 15 2012 15:35 GMT
#3247
On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.



watching it through VLC gives good quality
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 15:50:55
March 15 2012 15:37 GMT
#3248
On March 15 2012 23:50 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 23:44 Mogwai wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh. I just dont think there is a good way to fix it without making the jungling significantly worse (or harder (which Riot definitly doesnt want)). But then again, they did push through the jungle remake, so anything is possible.

But if you dont want to get level 2 ganked, just buy a damn ward when you go top lane. Or get your support to ward for you. Its not like every jungle can level 2 gank effectivly anyway.

opening a ward in top lane is frequently enough to cost you the lane anyway, lol. top lane is the fucking worst, god I hate it so much.


says this, first picks wukong constantly


lololool :D


Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 23:35 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:08 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
I doubt very much they would remove leashes. It makes a lot of junglers way worse, and makes it much harder to jungle, especially without full runes (the whole point of the jungle remake in the first place).

They could buff the healing sigils to compensate. The idea would be to make it riskier to gank immediately with your first buff, but that the damage you take on buffs gets evened out once you've done several small camps.

I dont think this would help. You are already talking about quite a few junglers hitting 50% health with a bad pull (ls, for example, gets pretty damn low on red without a large ammount of help). You cant make that worse and still expect a jungle to function.

I mean, the laners can help with the buff still, it's just that you don't get like a free 3-4 seconds where the buff isn't hitting anybody.


they could make the base stats of the buff monsters much higher, but delay their scaling. making it 'impossible' to deal with at level 1. the 'ridiculous' part, imo, about low level ganks is that someone can kill their blue/red buff and be level 2 instantly bot lane wont be level 3 for at least a whole minute, they can afford to camp that lane for a long time without becoming too weak to be likely to kill stuff. if people had to start with smaller camps, maybe burn their first smite on big wraith and be unable to take on blue until next smite, it would stop that ridiculous xp boost the jungler sees in the first 4 minutes of the game, delaying it a bit.

or, they could reduce the xp from big monsters, and redistribute through the jungle.


You can't buff the jungle creeps to that point without making jungling effectively impossible. The problem is that the days when a jungler would start their route alone are long since gone. Today teams help junglers start their camps and buffs even at fairly low Elos. As a result Riot would have to buff the camps to an extent which would completely undermine the primary goal of the jungle remake (i.e. making jungling easier, less punishing).

Similarly, redistributing exp isn't going to work either because 95% of competitive junglers start Small Camp -> Buff Camp. However you redistribute the exp that combination is always going to get you to level 2. Nothing short of a flat out exp reduction is going to work, and even that has to be extreme.

I honestly don't know what Riot can do that doesn't fundamentally change jungling (again).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 15:39 GMT
#3249
On March 16 2012 00:35 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.



watching it through VLC gives good quality


Assuming you mean watching the show directly and not nanashin's restream... how do I do that?
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 15 2012 15:41 GMT
#3250
On March 16 2012 00:39 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 00:35 nojitosunrise wrote:
On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.



watching it through VLC gives good quality


Assuming you mean watching the show directly and not nanashin's restream... how do I do that?



open up VLC

click media-->open network stream

paste in

http://222.122.206.82/ognlive

and click play
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
March 15 2012 15:41 GMT
#3251
On March 16 2012 00:19 red_ wrote:
This I'm A Carry show with Saint is awesome, Loco playing translator, actually quite entertaining to watch.


Yeah, it's pretty hysterical. I don't think they could've picked a better NA player to throw on a Korean show than saint. Although it probably wasn't so much that they picked to have him on rather that loco just sort of volunteered him. Either way, I think he's probably the best NA player you could have on a Korean show.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 15:42 GMT
#3252
On March 16 2012 00:41 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 00:39 red_ wrote:
On March 16 2012 00:35 nojitosunrise wrote:
On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.



watching it through VLC gives good quality


Assuming you mean watching the show directly and not nanashin's restream... how do I do that?



open up VLC

click media-->open network stream

paste in

http://222.122.206.82/ognlive

and click play


Many thanks good sir.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
March 15 2012 15:44 GMT
#3253
On March 16 2012 00:41 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 00:19 red_ wrote:
This I'm A Carry show with Saint is awesome, Loco playing translator, actually quite entertaining to watch.


Yeah, it's pretty hysterical. I don't think they could've picked a better NA player to throw on a Korean show than saint. Although it probably wasn't so much that they picked to have him on rather that loco just sort of volunteered him. Either way, I think he's probably the best NA player you could have on a Korean show.



I have never seen Kim Carrier having so much fun before
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
March 15 2012 15:46 GMT
#3254
Loco: Does Doublelift want to come on the show?
SV: Yeah.
Loco: People are going to compare me to Doublelift.
SV: Why? Because you're both gay?

trolololol
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 15 2012 15:48 GMT
#3255
Love the banner in the background lol
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
March 15 2012 15:49 GMT
#3256
If the full show ends up somewhere I expect a post here linkin me to it. I could only watch the last bit.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-15 15:59:23
March 15 2012 15:52 GMT
#3257
On March 16 2012 00:37 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 23:50 turdburgler wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:44 Mogwai wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh. I just dont think there is a good way to fix it without making the jungling significantly worse (or harder (which Riot definitly doesnt want)). But then again, they did push through the jungle remake, so anything is possible.

But if you dont want to get level 2 ganked, just buy a damn ward when you go top lane. Or get your support to ward for you. Its not like every jungle can level 2 gank effectivly anyway.

opening a ward in top lane is frequently enough to cost you the lane anyway, lol. top lane is the fucking worst, god I hate it so much.


says this, first picks wukong constantly


lololool :D


On March 15 2012 23:35 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:25 Two_DoWn wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:08 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
I doubt very much they would remove leashes. It makes a lot of junglers way worse, and makes it much harder to jungle, especially without full runes (the whole point of the jungle remake in the first place).

They could buff the healing sigils to compensate. The idea would be to make it riskier to gank immediately with your first buff, but that the damage you take on buffs gets evened out once you've done several small camps.

I dont think this would help. You are already talking about quite a few junglers hitting 50% health with a bad pull (ls, for example, gets pretty damn low on red without a large ammount of help). You cant make that worse and still expect a jungle to function.

I mean, the laners can help with the buff still, it's just that you don't get like a free 3-4 seconds where the buff isn't hitting anybody.


they could make the base stats of the buff monsters much higher, but delay their scaling. making it 'impossible' to deal with at level 1. the 'ridiculous' part, imo, about low level ganks is that someone can kill their blue/red buff and be level 2 instantly bot lane wont be level 3 for at least a whole minute, they can afford to camp that lane for a long time without becoming too weak to be likely to kill stuff. if people had to start with smaller camps, maybe burn their first smite on big wraith and be unable to take on blue until next smite, it would stop that ridiculous xp boost the jungler sees in the first 4 minutes of the game, delaying it a bit.

or, they could reduce the xp from big monsters, and redistribute through the jungle.


You can't buff the jungle creeps to that point without making jungling effectively impossible. The problem is that the days when a jungler would start their route alone are long since gone. Today teams help junglers start their camps and buffs even at fairly low Elos. As a result Riot would have to buff the camps to the an extent which would completely undermine the primary goal of the jungle remake (i.e. making jungling easier, less punishing).

Similarly, redistributing exp isn't going to work either because 95% of competitive junglers start Small Camp -> Buff Camp. However you redistribute the exp that combination is always going to get you to level 2. Nothing short of a flat out exp reduction is going to work, and even that has to be extreme.

I honestly don't know what Riot can do that doesn't fundamentally change jungling (again).


theres no reason the xp couldnt be deflated early and scale up after a few minutes to compensate. the jungle actually doesnt have tons of xp, it gets masked by the big camps basically rushing you to level 4. they could make it so the jungler doesnt get a retarded xp boost in the early game then slowly drop off compared to solo lanes.

even if you dont consider the amount of xp from big camps a problem in itself, it still leads to encouraging lane camping because little camps are worth so little.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 15 2012 15:53 GMT
#3258
On March 15 2012 22:51 warscythes wrote:
AD caster weapon(again Smash happy about this, huge Pantheon late game buff if it is done well)

Yooooriiiiiccckkkk
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
March 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#3259
On March 16 2012 00:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 22:51 warscythes wrote:
AD caster weapon(again Smash happy about this, huge Pantheon late game buff if it is done well)

Yooooriiiiiccckkkk


Fuck that, make it something shiny to help out Kayle so I can play her again. Although, I want to assume it's a late-ish game item, and Kayle's problem is laning, so it may not help at all =[[
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
March 15 2012 15:58 GMT
#3260
On March 16 2012 00:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2012 22:51 warscythes wrote:
AD caster weapon(again Smash happy about this, huge Pantheon late game buff if it is done well)

Yooooriiiiiccckkkk


And with one word all enthusiasm about a ad caster weapon got flushed down the toilet.
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