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On March 15 2012 23:50 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:44 Mogwai wrote:On March 15 2012 23:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh. I just dont think there is a good way to fix it without making the jungling significantly worse (or harder (which Riot definitly doesnt want)). But then again, they did push through the jungle remake, so anything is possible.
But if you dont want to get level 2 ganked, just buy a damn ward when you go top lane. Or get your support to ward for you. Its not like every jungle can level 2 gank effectivly anyway. opening a ward in top lane is frequently enough to cost you the lane anyway, lol. top lane is the fucking worst, god I hate it so much. says this, first picks wukong constantly lololool :D
my default FP is Jungle Jarman now though, LOL. I've been pigeonholing myself into being a top laner too much, now I'm just accepting that, at least for solo queue purposes at my current elo, I'm carrying much harder with Jarman out of the jungle than anyone out of top (in my last 4 games I've gone 4-0 with over 12.0 KDA ratio). either way though, top lane has been stupid as hell since the jungle changes. seriously it's the worst fucking lane because jungler doesn't lose anything from camping you for 2 minutes in the opening stage of the game. at least at mid you can just play Karma, top has no redeeming factors right now.
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Pre-nerf irelia would be the most hilarious shit on earth nowadays. If jungler camps you it would just mean free double kills every few mins lolol.
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On March 15 2012 23:59 BlackPaladin wrote:
Pre-nerf irelia would be the most hilarious shit on earth nowadays. If jungler camps you it would just mean free double kills every few mins lolol.
Pre-nerf Irelia still didn't hit her sweet spot until level 7. She'd still get bodied by lane camping when lane camping is most effective.
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This I'm A Carry show with Saint is awesome, Loco playing translator, actually quite entertaining to watch.
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Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.
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On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.
Loco is basically repeating everything Saint says in Korean, even if it's only directed at himself or a random comment.
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On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested.
watching it through VLC gives good quality
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On March 15 2012 23:50 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:44 Mogwai wrote:On March 15 2012 23:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh. I just dont think there is a good way to fix it without making the jungling significantly worse (or harder (which Riot definitly doesnt want)). But then again, they did push through the jungle remake, so anything is possible.
But if you dont want to get level 2 ganked, just buy a damn ward when you go top lane. Or get your support to ward for you. Its not like every jungle can level 2 gank effectivly anyway. opening a ward in top lane is frequently enough to cost you the lane anyway, lol. top lane is the fucking worst, god I hate it so much. says this, first picks wukong constantly lololool :D Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:35 TheYango wrote:On March 15 2012 23:25 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 15 2012 23:08 TheYango wrote:On March 15 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
I doubt very much they would remove leashes. It makes a lot of junglers way worse, and makes it much harder to jungle, especially without full runes (the whole point of the jungle remake in the first place).
They could buff the healing sigils to compensate. The idea would be to make it riskier to gank immediately with your first buff, but that the damage you take on buffs gets evened out once you've done several small camps. I dont think this would help. You are already talking about quite a few junglers hitting 50% health with a bad pull (ls, for example, gets pretty damn low on red without a large ammount of help). You cant make that worse and still expect a jungle to function. I mean, the laners can help with the buff still, it's just that you don't get like a free 3-4 seconds where the buff isn't hitting anybody. they could make the base stats of the buff monsters much higher, but delay their scaling. making it 'impossible' to deal with at level 1. the 'ridiculous' part, imo, about low level ganks is that someone can kill their blue/red buff and be level 2 instantly bot lane wont be level 3 for at least a whole minute, they can afford to camp that lane for a long time without becoming too weak to be likely to kill stuff. if people had to start with smaller camps, maybe burn their first smite on big wraith and be unable to take on blue until next smite, it would stop that ridiculous xp boost the jungler sees in the first 4 minutes of the game, delaying it a bit. or, they could reduce the xp from big monsters, and redistribute through the jungle.
You can't buff the jungle creeps to that point without making jungling effectively impossible. The problem is that the days when a jungler would start their route alone are long since gone. Today teams help junglers start their camps and buffs even at fairly low Elos. As a result Riot would have to buff the camps to an extent which would completely undermine the primary goal of the jungle remake (i.e. making jungling easier, less punishing).
Similarly, redistributing exp isn't going to work either because 95% of competitive junglers start Small Camp -> Buff Camp. However you redistribute the exp that combination is always going to get you to level 2. Nothing short of a flat out exp reduction is going to work, and even that has to be extreme.
I honestly don't know what Riot can do that doesn't fundamentally change jungling (again).
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On March 16 2012 00:35 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested. watching it through VLC gives good quality
Assuming you mean watching the show directly and not nanashin's restream... how do I do that?
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On March 16 2012 00:39 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 00:35 nojitosunrise wrote:On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested. watching it through VLC gives good quality Assuming you mean watching the show directly and not nanashin's restream... how do I do that?
open up VLC
click media-->open network stream
paste in
http://222.122.206.82/ognlive
and click play
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On March 16 2012 00:19 red_ wrote:
This I'm A Carry show with Saint is awesome, Loco playing translator, actually quite entertaining to watch.
Yeah, it's pretty hysterical. I don't think they could've picked a better NA player to throw on a Korean show than saint. Although it probably wasn't so much that they picked to have him on rather that loco just sort of volunteered him. Either way, I think he's probably the best NA player you could have on a Korean show.
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On March 16 2012 00:41 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 00:39 red_ wrote:On March 16 2012 00:35 nojitosunrise wrote:On March 16 2012 00:21 beefhamburger wrote:
Man I wish the resolution was higher. So hard to see anything ><
I wonder what it's like for Koreans to watch players commentating in English. I hope they can get interested. watching it through VLC gives good quality Assuming you mean watching the show directly and not nanashin's restream... how do I do that? open up VLC click media-->open network stream paste in http://222.122.206.82/ognliveand click play
Many thanks good sir.
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On March 16 2012 00:41 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 00:19 red_ wrote:
This I'm A Carry show with Saint is awesome, Loco playing translator, actually quite entertaining to watch. Yeah, it's pretty hysterical. I don't think they could've picked a better NA player to throw on a Korean show than saint. Although it probably wasn't so much that they picked to have him on rather that loco just sort of volunteered him. Either way, I think he's probably the best NA player you could have on a Korean show.
I have never seen Kim Carrier having so much fun before
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Loco: Does Doublelift want to come on the show?
SV: Yeah.
Loco: People are going to compare me to Doublelift.
SV: Why? Because you're both gay?
trolololol
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Love the banner in the background lol
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If the full show ends up somewhere I expect a post here linkin me to it. I could only watch the last bit.
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On March 16 2012 00:37 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 23:50 turdburgler wrote:On March 15 2012 23:44 Mogwai wrote:On March 15 2012 23:42 Two_DoWn wrote:
Meh. I just dont think there is a good way to fix it without making the jungling significantly worse (or harder (which Riot definitly doesnt want)). But then again, they did push through the jungle remake, so anything is possible.
But if you dont want to get level 2 ganked, just buy a damn ward when you go top lane. Or get your support to ward for you. Its not like every jungle can level 2 gank effectivly anyway. opening a ward in top lane is frequently enough to cost you the lane anyway, lol. top lane is the fucking worst, god I hate it so much. says this, first picks wukong constantly lololool :D On March 15 2012 23:35 TheYango wrote:On March 15 2012 23:25 Two_DoWn wrote:On March 15 2012 23:08 TheYango wrote:On March 15 2012 23:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
I doubt very much they would remove leashes. It makes a lot of junglers way worse, and makes it much harder to jungle, especially without full runes (the whole point of the jungle remake in the first place).
They could buff the healing sigils to compensate. The idea would be to make it riskier to gank immediately with your first buff, but that the damage you take on buffs gets evened out once you've done several small camps. I dont think this would help. You are already talking about quite a few junglers hitting 50% health with a bad pull (ls, for example, gets pretty damn low on red without a large ammount of help). You cant make that worse and still expect a jungle to function. I mean, the laners can help with the buff still, it's just that you don't get like a free 3-4 seconds where the buff isn't hitting anybody. they could make the base stats of the buff monsters much higher, but delay their scaling. making it 'impossible' to deal with at level 1. the 'ridiculous' part, imo, about low level ganks is that someone can kill their blue/red buff and be level 2 instantly bot lane wont be level 3 for at least a whole minute, they can afford to camp that lane for a long time without becoming too weak to be likely to kill stuff. if people had to start with smaller camps, maybe burn their first smite on big wraith and be unable to take on blue until next smite, it would stop that ridiculous xp boost the jungler sees in the first 4 minutes of the game, delaying it a bit. or, they could reduce the xp from big monsters, and redistribute through the jungle. You can't buff the jungle creeps to that point without making jungling effectively impossible. The problem is that the days when a jungler would start their route alone are long since gone. Today teams help junglers start their camps and buffs even at fairly low Elos. As a result Riot would have to buff the camps to the an extent which would completely undermine the primary goal of the jungle remake (i.e. making jungling easier, less punishing). Similarly, redistributing exp isn't going to work either because 95% of competitive junglers start Small Camp -> Buff Camp. However you redistribute the exp that combination is always going to get you to level 2. Nothing short of a flat out exp reduction is going to work, and even that has to be extreme. I honestly don't know what Riot can do that doesn't fundamentally change jungling (again).
theres no reason the xp couldnt be deflated early and scale up after a few minutes to compensate. the jungle actually doesnt have tons of xp, it gets masked by the big camps basically rushing you to level 4. they could make it so the jungler doesnt get a retarded xp boost in the early game then slowly drop off compared to solo lanes.
even if you dont consider the amount of xp from big camps a problem in itself, it still leads to encouraging lane camping because little camps are worth so little.
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On March 15 2012 22:51 warscythes wrote:
AD caster weapon(again Smash happy about this, huge Pantheon late game buff if it is done well)
Yooooriiiiiccckkkk
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On March 16 2012 00:53 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 22:51 warscythes wrote:
AD caster weapon(again Smash happy about this, huge Pantheon late game buff if it is done well) Yooooriiiiiccckkkk
Fuck that, make it something shiny to help out Kayle so I can play her again. Although, I want to assume it's a late-ish game item, and Kayle's problem is laning, so it may not help at all =[[
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On March 16 2012 00:53 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 22:51 warscythes wrote:
AD caster weapon(again Smash happy about this, huge Pantheon late game buff if it is done well) Yooooriiiiiccckkkk
And with one word all enthusiasm about a ad caster weapon got flushed down the toilet.
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