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On February 19 2012 07:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
The thing getting lost here is THE REASON YOU GIVE BLUE TO PEOPLE IS SO THEY CAN PUSH AND GO AROUND THE MAP. If A) they dont need blue to do that or B) arent going to do that even WITH blue then the blue belongs on the jungle. Simple as that.
The value from blue going onto the jungle is TREMENDOUS. Its just that normally an AP gets to be more flexible in their play by utilizing blue and the potential reward can outstrip the natural reward from blue being on the jungle (even if most of the time its squandered by sub tourney level players).
OK at this point we need to distinguish between early game blue buffs and blue buffs for lategame teamfights.
Early game I agree there's no point in Kennen getting blues in lane. But I assumed we were talking lategame, because people were suggesting the AD carry getting blue.
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On February 19 2012 07:54 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:51 Two_DoWn wrote:
The thing getting lost here is THE REASON YOU GIVE BLUE TO PEOPLE IS SO THEY CAN PUSH AND GO AROUND THE MAP. If A) they dont need blue to do that or B) arent going to do that even WITH blue then the blue belongs on the jungle. Simple as that.
The value from blue going onto the jungle is TREMENDOUS. Its just that normally an AP gets to be more flexible in their play by utilizing blue and the potential reward can outstrip the natural reward from blue being on the jungle (even if most of the time its squandered by sub tourney level players). OK at this point we need to distinguish between early game blue buffs and blue buffs for lategame teamfights. Early game I agree there's no point in Kennen getting blues in lane. But I assumed we were talking lategame, because people were suggesting the AD carry getting blue.
Late game: give blue to your ap carry- manaless or not because at the very least someone like kennen or vlad is going to have a shorter CD on their ult, which gives you a lot more options.
Other chars you can actually make an argument for: Corki, Ez, and Kog- PROVIDED they know how to use it. IE spam poke the shit outta people.
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On February 19 2012 07:28 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:20 Craton wrote:That's hardly true. A blue buff corki/ez is going to do a lot more damage than a blue Kennen. I have tremendous doubts that the CDR on vlad would somehow put him over what either of those two can do, especially considering how much more it lets them poke before the fight starts and how it greatly increases the volume of work they can do. The argument, if there is even one to be had, is when you have no mana using carry that's actually hungry for mana versus a non-mana using champion that can use CDR. Without question I would give a Corki/Ez blue long before I'd give it to a Kennen. On February 19 2012 07:18 Slow Motion wrote:
M5 jungler: "bg 1v9" ahahaha. You don't usually see that kind of solo queue hate in a team tourney game. I don't think it was malicious. Inb4 Shiv argues that if you don't get triforce on Corki or Ez they do less damage than a perfect situation for Kennen.
What's up with the hate man? I simply stated giving Trist blue over Kennen and Vlad was hilarious and then tried to elaborate why I PERSONALLY think blue on Kennen and Vlad is better than on Corki and Ez. No need to get personal, lol.
Also: I don't see how a late game teamfight is a ''perfect situation'' like it's anything out of the ordinary. I also never said I was talking about damage. I'd much rather have Kennen going berserk in a teamfight with his stuns than that extra poke before a teamfight by Ez and Corki.
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So I've been having an issue farming as AD bot. I've actually been running tele bot in solo queue just cause I like leaving my team to afk farm, and to tell them I have tele. Why is my CS still so much lower than the other AD's? I don't farm dangerous lanes like an area that's unwarded when the tower's down, but otherwise I'm very reluctant to leave farm.
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On February 19 2012 08:07 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
So I've been having an issue farming as AD bot. I've actually been running tele bot in solo queue just cause I like leaving my team to afk farm, and to tell them I have tele. Why is my CS still so much lower than the other AD's? I don't farm dangerous lanes like an area that's unwarded when the tower's down, but otherwise I'm very reluctant to leave farm.
Hard to tell without replays. I'd refrain from using TP though, because it heavily limits your offensive options in lane. You can't really engage if their AD has Heal, Exhaust, Ignite... Well, anything but Cleanse, basically.
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tsm scrimming vs clg.
anyone know what its for?
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It's the curse invitational.
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On February 19 2012 07:28 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:20 Craton wrote:That's hardly true. A blue buff corki/ez is going to do a lot more damage than a blue Kennen. I have tremendous doubts that the CDR on vlad would somehow put him over what either of those two can do, especially considering how much more it lets them poke before the fight starts and how it greatly increases the volume of work they can do. The argument, if there is even one to be had, is when you have no mana using carry that's actually hungry for mana versus a non-mana using champion that can use CDR. Without question I would give a Corki/Ez blue long before I'd give it to a Kennen. On February 19 2012 07:18 Slow Motion wrote:
M5 jungler: "bg 1v9" ahahaha. You don't usually see that kind of solo queue hate in a team tourney game. I don't think it was malicious. Inb4 Shiv argues that if you don't get triforce on Corki or Ez they do less damage than a perfect situation for Kennen.
i don't understand the last part of this but i sure don't get triforce on corki or ezreal anymore just because basic carry items are really good on both. imo
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I think I'd prefer triforce over PD on corki in 99% of situations. If I have both, I probably don't have boots 
I hate it when people rush triforce first item on corki or ez, though. There's no point in having all that utility if you don't have the damage to be a threat. I used to go BC--> triforce for a midgame power timing, but the IE buff a while back just made it too good to pass up. IE-->triforce seems to be working out fine, throw in a vamp scepter if needed
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On February 19 2012 08:07 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
So I've been having an issue farming as AD bot. I've actually been running tele bot in solo queue just cause I like leaving my team to afk farm, and to tell them I have tele. Why is my CS still so much lower than the other AD's? I don't farm dangerous lanes like an area that's unwarded when the tower's down, but otherwise I'm very reluctant to leave farm.
Think about how you use TP:
1.) Dragon control
2.) Ganks
3.) Split pushing
The AD is already at bot, so you get no benefit out of #1. Similarly, the only lane that can generally be TP ganked is bot lane because it's the only place with wards in the side bushes. You can sometimes do it on top, but still has the issue of AD are more sustained damage and not bursty like you prefer for ganks plus generally don't have any CC.
Finally, #3 applies after the lane phase, except an AD can be killed 1v1 very easily unless you're massively ahead. You generally can't disengage if caught, either. In lane you suffer from being pretty weak since you have fewer combat summoners.
Basically, TP is bad on AD because good players will severely punish you for trying to split from your team or by capitalizing on your weakness in lane.
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Eh personally I like Triforce over IE early game because early on, you're not going to have much bonus AD. This means that every triforce proc essentially does the same amount of damage as a IE crit. On Corki, you're guaranteed a proc every 2 seconds if you're spamming your spells, whereas earlier on with few items, you're not going to be critting very often with just an IE. Add to that Triforce gives you more well-rounded stats+more utility I find that it's easier to win small fights at bot lane. As the game goes on and you get more items/bonus AD, the benefit of IE starts to vastly outweigh that of Triforce. That's why I prefer to go Triforce->IE rather than the other way around.
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The main thing about Triforce is that it's not suited to a bot lane AD. If we still had AD mids (e.g. Corki mid), it would be useful because they would be playing aggressively midgame and carrying the tempo of the game, so small items that help them incrementally in their ganks/fights would be useful. If all you're going to do is sit and farm bottom, that just misses the window of time where Triforce is good--using it just to control your lane isn't getting enough out of it's build-ability and earlier advantage.
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Well, Loci is playing again
Not streaming though D:
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Maybe this doesn't happen as often at higher ELO so I don't know if this qualifies as QQ and belong in another thread but...
I've started to consider queuing in ranked part of the games themselves. There's far too many people who only want to play one lane/champ and will troll you endlessly if they don't get what they want. This means that the champ select process requires about as much attention as the ranked games themselves do. Not to adjust whatever I planned on doing to the group comp (I do this, and jungle 75% of my games as a result) but more so I can spam the "DO NOT REQUEUE" X button as soon as someone dodges because oftentimes it's really easy to tell that you have a 50% chance at ending up with the group that has 3+ people calling top or mid as soon as they get into champ select.
I really wish queue dodges gave you a chance to leave queue, wait a bit, and then requeue. Without paying attention to the game fulltime during that process. Currently, you have a <2 second window to get out of queue after someone else dodges and then you get thrown in with the same pack of retards. I know it's important to pay some level of attention to champ select, but this shouldn't stop me from getting food or going to the bathroom or whatever.
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Feeling a bit generous so here is a free RIOT Nasus Code for EU ZJYN4CQZ2EJF
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I was just wondering, what if there was a move that turned a guy into a chicken for a few seconds? I remember there was something like that in DotA. I think it was called Hex or something. Would be a really nice Tank or support move.
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On February 19 2012 09:53 TheYango wrote:
The main thing about Triforce is that it's not suited to a bot lane AD. If we still had AD mids (e.g. Corki mid), it would be useful because they would be playing aggressively midgame and carrying the tempo of the game, so small items that help them incrementally in their ganks/fights would be useful. If all you're going to do is sit and farm bottom, that just misses the window of time where Triforce is good--using it just to control your lane isn't getting enough out of it's build-ability and earlier advantage.
bottom does not only farm afk though. You see alot of dorans stacking+ wriggles to get stronger buff and dragon control. I wonder how much more damage IE actually does compared to triforce.
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On February 19 2012 11:23 Lorken wrote:
I was just wondering, what if there was a move that turned a guy into a chicken for a few seconds? I remember there was something like that in DotA. I think it was called Hex or something. Would be a really nice Tank or support move.
well thats just like a stun or fear, isnt it. and dota stuns generally last longer than LoL stuns, so a few seconds is too much.
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On February 19 2012 11:18 HeroHenry wrote:
Feeling a bit generous so here is a free RIOT Nasus Code for EU ZJYN4CQZ2EJF
Ty  )
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You don't recognize people in TL LoL anymore because the Euros took over.
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