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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 14 2012 04:58 GMT
#21
On February 14 2012 13:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Might as well just cal this the Shen patchnotes. Shen gonna be op. Rush dem Wits End and Warmogs.

Spark looks really well-suited to Shen. Wit's will probably still be better because it's more cost-effective but Spark gives Shen what he needs (attack speed, HP, AoE pushing power).
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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:00:48
February 14 2012 05:00 GMT
#22
Damn those Irelia nerfs still arn't enough
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 14 2012 05:06 GMT
#23
I don't know how the hell that Shen buff happened. Like seriously, that's stronger than when shen was unkillable back before the sunfire + randuins changes, where he could rush sunfire and never die ever all of midgame.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
February 14 2012 05:06 GMT
#24
On February 14 2012 13:58 Brees wrote:
no one past 1500 elo is going to get to play shen anyway so not like it actually needs a hotfix

just a new permban


Because >1500 elo ranked players are representative of the LoL population, right.

It will be hotfixed if only because it's not fun in blind pick normals, just like release Leblanc.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:09:04
February 14 2012 05:07 GMT
#25
i'm gonna go ahead and go against the grain here, and say shen isn't going to be OP

vorpal costs more energy late-game
taunt costs more energy late-game (though he does get more back, i will cede)
taunt duration decreased by 0.5 seconds at rank 5
channel time and shield duration decreased at all ranks for his ult


so yeah, a lot of areas he got a lot stronger on (damage, energy retention), but he lost some of his utility
i think you guys are blowing his buffs out of proportion

better early-game? yes, for sure. still have the problem of doing jack-all past mid-game? pretty much :\


edit: yeah, i'm kinda playing devil's advocate here - i'm moderately excited for my original favorite champ to be getting buffed. but COME ON GUYS he's not like skarner or rammus or morgana level strong imo
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 14 2012 05:07 GMT
#26
On February 14 2012 13:57 ManyCookies wrote:
Does the +2% heal scale down with the rest of the Vorpal Blade heal, or is it a constant heal for each hit? If not, carries get 150 health per hit.


Wait a minute, Shen isn't going to be as overpowered as you all think. His taunt is half a second shorter at max rank and costs 20 more energy. And his Vorpal Blade costs 10 more energy at max rank. And he lost .15 AP scaling on his Q and W. And his Ult takes longer to teleport. Checks and balances guys.

the way it works now is it heals X amount over like 2 or 3 seconds starting from when you trigger it. If you hit a target marked by vorpal blade while you're already under the heal effect it just refreshes it.
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
February 14 2012 05:07 GMT
#27
--- Nuked ---
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 14 2012 05:09 GMT
#28
On February 14 2012 14:07 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm gonna go ahead and go against the grain here, and say shen isn't going to be OP

vorpal costs more energy late-game
taunt costs more energy late-game (though he does get more back, i will cede)
taunt duration decreased by 0.5 seconds at rank 5
channel time and shield duration decreased at all ranks for his ult


so yeah, a lot of areas he got a lot stronger on (damage, energy retention), but he lost some of his utility
i think you guys are blowing his buffs out of proportion

better early-game? yes, for sure. still have the problem of doing jack-all past mid-game? pretty much :\


edit: yeah, i'm kinda playing devil's advocate here - i'm moderately excited for my original favorite champ to be getting buffed. but COME ON GUYS he's not like skarner or rammus or morgana level strong imo

Your shen love blinders are showing.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:11:26
February 14 2012 05:09 GMT
#29
I also like how in the patch preview video Phreak says "Sona has been the premier support for a while..." and then they hit Soraka over the head with a baseball bat, breaking her horn into pieces, while Sona gets a tap on the wrist. :/
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
February 14 2012 05:12 GMT
#30
On February 14 2012 14:07 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm gonna go ahead and go against the grain here, and say shen isn't going to be OP

vorpal costs more energy late-game
taunt costs more energy late-game (though he does get more back, i will cede)
taunt duration decreased by 0.5 seconds at rank 5
channel time and shield duration decreased at all ranks for his ult


so yeah, a lot of areas he got a lot stronger on (damage, energy retention), but he lost some of his utility
i think you guys are blowing his buffs out of proportion

better early-game? yes, for sure. still have the problem of doing jack-all past mid-game? pretty much :\


Ki strike restores 30 energy late-game, the same amount vorpal/dash went up for cost. At least in the first parts of a team fight shen will have nearly as much if not more energy than before.

As for the other stuff the best part about ulti was it actually providing a shield and being a global teleport, it's not a huge nerf (the shield itself was buffed anyways).
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 14 2012 05:12 GMT
#31
On February 14 2012 14:07 randomKo_Orean wrote:
WHERES THE FRIGGING MISS FORTUNE BUFFS ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGH

This is so frustrating D:


Miss Fortune is still pretty good and lots of people still play her?
Remember Violet.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 14 2012 05:13 GMT
#32
On February 14 2012 14:09 zer0das wrote:
I also like how in the patch preview video Phreak says "Sona has been the premier support for a while..." and then they hit Soraka over the head with a baseball bat, breaking her horn into pieces, while Sona gets a tap on the wrist. :/


the soraka changes are positive - she's less of a portable fountain and more of a clutch burst healer. she still gives her lane partner infinite harass capabilities, but she is no longer the attrition goddess of the game (which is positive for gameplay in general)



On February 14 2012 14:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 14:07 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm gonna go ahead and go against the grain here, and say shen isn't going to be OP

vorpal costs more energy late-game
taunt costs more energy late-game (though he does get more back, i will cede)
taunt duration decreased by 0.5 seconds at rank 5
channel time and shield duration decreased at all ranks for his ult


so yeah, a lot of areas he got a lot stronger on (damage, energy retention), but he lost some of his utility
i think you guys are blowing his buffs out of proportion

better early-game? yes, for sure. still have the problem of doing jack-all past mid-game? pretty much :\


edit: yeah, i'm kinda playing devil's advocate here - i'm moderately excited for my original favorite champ to be getting buffed. but COME ON GUYS he's not like skarner or rammus or morgana level strong imo

Your shen love blinders are showing.


*inb4 loci tries some garbage like AP shen again this patch :teehee
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
February 14 2012 05:19 GMT
#33
@petered (in the end of the last GD): Sorry, stupid to use that phrase on a SC forum. Blizzard did an excellent job with most of their games. The thing I was getting at is how they balance WoW; they basicly overnerf or overbuff classes in a random order.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 14 2012 05:20 GMT
#34
Shen just found the fountain of youth O.O
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 14 2012 05:21 GMT
#35
lmao at these shen changes
warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:23:57
February 14 2012 05:23 GMT
#36
On February 14 2012 14:07 gtrsrs wrote:
i'm gonna go ahead and go against the grain here, and say shen isn't going to be OP

vorpal costs more energy late-game
taunt costs more energy late-game (though he does get more back, i will cede)
taunt duration decreased by 0.5 seconds at rank 5
channel time and shield duration decreased at all ranks for his ult


so yeah, a lot of areas he got a lot stronger on (damage, energy retention), but he lost some of his utility
i think you guys are blowing his buffs out of proportion

better early-game? yes, for sure. still have the problem of doing jack-all past mid-game? pretty much :\


edit: yeah, i'm kinda playing devil's advocate here - i'm moderately excited for my original favorite champ to be getting buffed. but COME ON GUYS he's not like skarner or rammus or morgana level strong imo


The only two noticeable nerfs here are the channel time and taunt duration nerf, energy problem is masked by taunt buff and ki strike buff especially now you get to proc more ki strike with W on. Shield duration wasn't really ever that a big deal, 5 seconds is a pretty long time.

I am sure his other buffs make up for it especially now it is extremely difficult to stop him from split pushing after cabbaging all over his lane AND he now pushes faster thanks to the damage buffs.

I mean we shall see, but if he is not overpowered then I will eat my lab coat.
Prospero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States183 Posts
February 14 2012 05:27 GMT
#37
On February 14 2012 14:09 zer0das wrote:
I also like how in the patch preview video Phreak says "Sona has been the premier support for a while..." and then they hit Soraka over the head with a baseball bat, breaking her horn into pieces, while Sona gets a tap on the wrist. :/


I'd say the biggest thing that makes Sona pretty OP is her AoE ult. But chaging this would probably require a complete re-working.

Soraka was a problem with her "sit back and afk farm for 20 minutes" influence. But it was pretty easy to fix by scaling back some of her "infinite" sustain.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
February 14 2012 05:27 GMT
#38
Im on to you Riot, trying to drag me back to LoL with your reeeedic Shen buffs
it's my first day
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
February 14 2012 05:27 GMT
#39
Sona

Power Chord damage adjusted to 10 per level from 14 + 9 per level
Hymn of Valor passive attack damage and ability power aura reduced at earlier ranks to 4/8/12/16/20 from 8/11/14/17/20
Aria of Perseverance passive armor and magic resist aura reduced at earlier ranks to 3/6/9/12/15 from 7/9/11/13/15
Song of Celerity passive movement speed aura reduced at earlier ranks to 4/8/12/16/20 from 8/11/14/17/20

Sona @ level 1 with level 1 Q

50(+4) AA + 20 Power Chord + 50(+2.8) Hymn of Valor = 126.8 damage
Subsequent AA harass = 54

Current Sona @ level 1 with level 1 Q
50(+8) AA + 46 Power Chord + 50(+5.6) Hymn of Valor = 159.6 damage
Subsequent AA harass = 58

A noticeable difference in the hardest lane to balance in the game
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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 05:30:17
February 14 2012 05:28 GMT
#40
Shen can proc the CD reduction on his Ki Strike twice at base attack speed. So that basically means his Ki Strike has a 5 second cooldown in the jungle. His cleartime, though still not that fast, will be significantly improved, and he's going to have an extra half second on his taunt for early ganks. While it's completely overshadowed by the backdooring he's going to do to top champions, Shen might be a good jungler now.
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