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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
February 22 2012 01:15 GMT
#2021
Rincent on chu stream playing twitch just won hard with 2 exec callings 2 IEs and a pickaxe. WTF?
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 01:23:14
February 22 2012 01:19 GMT
#2022
On February 22 2012 09:06 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 08:56 greggy wrote:
On February 22 2012 04:08 unichan wrote:
On February 22 2012 03:59 greggy wrote:
Has anyone had ridiculous amounts of lag since last patch? Literally at every point in time I have at least 300ms spiking to over 1k, while I can play anything else (dota2/sc/bf3) with absolutely no problem.. Really rather frustrating -.-

Not really, but the lag I've been getting is different and more annoying than the lag I'd get before when my internet went poopy

I've been having the same problem as this thread since the patch
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=587299

really unbearable, not sure what to do :@


Do you have the Diablo 3 Beta? I realize that's a weird question, but here's what happened to me the other day.

I reinstalled the Diablo 3 Beta because of an error. I forgot to disable P2P transfer in the launcher afterward so I had all sorts of disconnect issues in D3 until I did. I later played LoL and periodically my ping would go crazy and my entire internet would die briefly. The problem was fixed when I restarted my computer.

It's a long shot, but are you playing Diablo 3 before you play LoL without a system restart?


Don't have d3 beta, no I've tried restarting and all that stuff to no avail.

I remember it started on patch day and was like, a spike of ~5 sec a game, but it got more and more frequent and now it's more like a spike of ~5 sec without lag a game TT
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
February 22 2012 01:30 GMT
#2023
On February 22 2012 09:03 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 08:55 TheYango wrote:
On February 22 2012 08:53 Craton wrote:
Actually I'm pretty sure the ult change has nothing to do with the abuse cases (since nobody plays him and therefore nobody is abusing it) and more to do with trying to make him a more viable pick overall.

Then why did they pick armor/MR values that are an overall survivability nerf in most scenarios?

To test out how they'll work out in a live environment. Welcome to the PBE. If it doesn't help where he needs it, they'll adjust the numbers. That's how test realms work.

Show nested quote +
Malz isn't to be underestimated either.

Malz is pretty bad right now. I suppose there are a handful of people who don't recognize he can do big damage in ideal scenarios by virtue of not having seen him in awhile, but overall he's just in a really bad place.


Just tried out some free week Malzahar and he seems pretty beastly. Very strong laning phase, nearly guaranteed-kill on ganks, very fast pusher, the best AP at killing towers because of Voidlings. His teamfighting seemed very strong. If you try to full combo the enemy AD carry, of course you'll die, but your CDs are low and your range is long, so you just keep spamming spells until someone dives your or your AD carry, at which point you ult them. Even if they have QSS (do any bruisers buy it?), it's still 1000 magic damage.

What am I missing that makes Malzahar so weak?
I am the Town Medic.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
February 22 2012 01:33 GMT
#2024
You guys should come hang out on the PBE. I have a bunch of champions I want to test, but everyone on there is horrendous.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
February 22 2012 01:35 GMT
#2025
On February 22 2012 10:00 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 09:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Shen isn't as amazing as people think he is? Maybe I just haven't played enough games against decent shens...


his laning is strong but his teamfights are atrocious
his energy management is next to impossible with his new costs
they really gutted him lol

His energy management has always been impossible once he leaves the lane. He still has the shittiest method for restoring energy of all the energy champions.
Skithiryx
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia648 Posts
February 22 2012 01:41 GMT
#2026
On February 22 2012 10:30 Alzadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 09:03 Craton wrote:
On February 22 2012 08:55 TheYango wrote:
On February 22 2012 08:53 Craton wrote:
Actually I'm pretty sure the ult change has nothing to do with the abuse cases (since nobody plays him and therefore nobody is abusing it) and more to do with trying to make him a more viable pick overall.

Then why did they pick armor/MR values that are an overall survivability nerf in most scenarios?

To test out how they'll work out in a live environment. Welcome to the PBE. If it doesn't help where he needs it, they'll adjust the numbers. That's how test realms work.

Malz isn't to be underestimated either.

Malz is pretty bad right now. I suppose there are a handful of people who don't recognize he can do big damage in ideal scenarios by virtue of not having seen him in awhile, but overall he's just in a really bad place.


Just tried out some free week Malzahar and he seems pretty beastly. Very strong laning phase, nearly guaranteed-kill on ganks, very fast pusher, the best AP at killing towers because of Voidlings. His teamfighting seemed very strong. If you try to full combo the enemy AD carry, of course you'll die, but your CDs are low and your range is long, so you just keep spamming spells until someone dives your or your AD carry, at which point you ult them. Even if they have QSS (do any bruisers buy it?), it's still 1000 magic damage.

What am I missing that makes Malzahar so weak?


Malzahar has always and will always do a million damages and with blue buff is one of the best pokes in the game, the problem is he has no innate escape move on top of his ulti being WW style double surpress minus the tankiness/sustain that WW has, if you can land it in a safe place then it's fine but with how much CC and gap closing abilities in the game now using his ulti paints a massive target on his head.

sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 22 2012 01:43 GMT
#2027
On February 22 2012 10:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 10:00 gtrsrs wrote:
On February 22 2012 09:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Shen isn't as amazing as people think he is? Maybe I just haven't played enough games against decent shens...


his laning is strong but his teamfights are atrocious
his energy management is next to impossible with his new costs
they really gutted him lol

His energy management has always been impossible once he leaves the lane. He still has the shittiest method for restoring energy of all the energy champions.


Its not impossible, you just actually have to manage it and not spam everything. Anyone who says he has atrocious teamfighting is just flat out wrong. In a big teamfight you just throw out a dagger, taunt, then save enough energy for second taunt. He does good damage even without spamming Q, noobs just mash the keyboard and dont save for the taunts, which are just insane in big fight.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
February 22 2012 01:44 GMT
#2028
On February 22 2012 10:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 10:00 gtrsrs wrote:
On February 22 2012 09:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Shen isn't as amazing as people think he is? Maybe I just haven't played enough games against decent shens...


his laning is strong but his teamfights are atrocious
his energy management is next to impossible with his new costs
they really gutted him lol

His energy management has always been impossible once he leaves the lane. He still has the shittiest method for restoring energy of all the energy champions.


I feel like in teamfights you really shouldn't be using Vorpal Blade, and use Feint very sparingly. Just split push all day -> ult your carry when a fight starts -> dash on to everyone, auto attack until dash is off CD, dash again, etc. When you have spare energy it's ok to Vorpal your carry's target or use Feint to absorb damage/get more Ki Strikes, but really, your job is to taunt, and that is the absolute priority for energy usage.
I am the Town Medic.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
February 22 2012 01:52 GMT
#2029
leaked skins:
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iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 02:13:15
February 22 2012 02:09 GMT
#2030
On February 22 2012 10:15 phyvo wrote:
Rincent on chu stream playing twitch just won hard with 2 exec callings 2 IEs and a pickaxe. WTF?

I'm guessing Rincent wants to make full use of his ultimate so he doesn't build attack speed, and he knows that if he's attacking enough people, the lifesteal will allow him to duel a bruiser.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 22 2012 02:17 GMT
#2031
On February 22 2012 10:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 10:00 gtrsrs wrote:
On February 22 2012 09:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Shen isn't as amazing as people think he is? Maybe I just haven't played enough games against decent shens...


his laning is strong but his teamfights are atrocious
his energy management is next to impossible with his new costs
they really gutted him lol

His energy management has always been impossible once he leaves the lane. He still has the shittiest method for restoring energy of all the energy champions.



i dont see how his team fights can possibly be bad. look at rammus, single target taunt, hard to land ae slow, defence steroid, and moderate ae damage. imo atleast he has godly teamfights, flash ball onto the carry, taunt and let them kill themselves shooting you.

shen doesnt have the trolly damage reflect but he does have the healing effects, his taunt is ae and he can sheild his carry. on paper his teamfight is just as godly, just because you cant spam his abilities on cd doesnt mean he isnt doing plenty.

whats so bad about him?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 22 2012 02:22 GMT
#2032
Oh, that Vandal Gragas. Nice one.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
February 22 2012 02:24 GMT
#2033
Dat Gragas looks pretty sweet.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 22 2012 02:24 GMT
#2034
On February 22 2012 10:43 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 10:35 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On February 22 2012 10:00 gtrsrs wrote:
On February 22 2012 09:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Shen isn't as amazing as people think he is? Maybe I just haven't played enough games against decent shens...


his laning is strong but his teamfights are atrocious
his energy management is next to impossible with his new costs
they really gutted him lol

His energy management has always been impossible once he leaves the lane. He still has the shittiest method for restoring energy of all the energy champions.


Its not impossible, you just actually have to manage it and not spam everything. Anyone who says he has atrocious teamfighting is just flat out wrong. In a big teamfight you just throw out a dagger, taunt, then save enough energy for second taunt. He does good damage even without spamming Q, noobs just mash the keyboard and dont save for the taunts, which are just insane in big fight.


no, i'm not flat out wrong
i'm definitely a better shen player than you and his teamfighting is bad, even at the highest levels. see:
[image loading] from the loci awesomeness thread where our lee sin was down 0-3, we were down in kills the entire game (including the end), then we started teamfighting and shen + shaco did absolutely jack-all for the duration of their fights
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
February 22 2012 02:24 GMT
#2035
Before the complaint with shen was you needed to make decisions on which high energy skill to use and he had only 1 real way of restoring energy via dash?


FADC
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 02:33:58
February 22 2012 02:32 GMT
#2036
On February 22 2012 11:22 Alaric wrote:
Oh, that Vandal Gragas. Nice one.


it better have new particles or it'll look weird
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 22 2012 02:35 GMT
#2037
Dat gragas skin looks awesome, but what is the second one?
Decisions Determine Destiny - Terranasaur#1719 D3 #557 SC2 3DS FC: 2423-3623-8068
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
February 22 2012 02:36 GMT
#2038
On February 22 2012 10:15 phyvo wrote:
Rincent on chu stream playing twitch just won hard with 2 exec callings 2 IEs and a pickaxe. WTF?

Rincent is such a beast.
He is a God that walks the earth
We play so he can feast
'till we can prove our worth.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 22 2012 02:37 GMT
#2039
On February 22 2012 11:35 Terranasaur wrote:
Dat gragas skin looks awesome, but what is the second one?


orianna
Bwaaaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia969 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 03:06:31
February 22 2012 02:56 GMT
#2040
CLG scrim vs v8 is coming up in 5 mins.
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