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On April 18 2012 09:27 Dalguno wrote:
Ok, thanks much. I was just asking generally, and that's the answer I was looking for. So for a tank like Shen (that's who I've been playing a lot) and it's 9/21/0, what would I do?
Also, for runes, what does "flat" mean if it says flat magic pen?
Flat just means the rune doesn't scale as the game goes on. e.g. flat MR glyphs is something like 1.5 MR while scaling MR glyphs is 0.15 MR/lvl (2.7 at lvl 18). Sometimes you want the flat if you need the MR for early trades while other times you can wait for the scaling runes to outshine the flat ones if you're the jungler and you'll be facing jungle creeps for the majority of the early game.
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Alright, thanks so much guys.
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Can anyone point me in the direction of a webpage similar to TL for LOL?
Just somewhere I can look up streams to watch of some top players, look at forums/suggestions. All I can seem to find is the reddit community and stream thread, which has tons of people posting. The only other place Ive found with streams is Wellplayed and they dont have many, only a few. Solomid only seems to post their own player streams as featured.
I keep hearing about riot featured streams, but for the life of me I cant seem to find a list, or where Riot might host links to those streams.
Thanks
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Pretty general for 9/21/0 shen would be 3 in Brute Force (because the AP counterpart is god awful, always just take the AD over it) and probably 1 in Summoner's Wrath, 4 points in the CDR and the last point in the 10% magic pen. This is because Shen deals more magic damage than physical, between his q, passive, and e, and the CDR is semi relevant.
As far as the defensive tree, it will very much depend on how you play your lane. If you play aggressively, and tank creeps a lot, both Indomitable and Tough Skin allow you to take less damage from the minions while you fight. You definately want Durability and Veteran's Scars based on how Shen scales off of health. Vigor is OK, but I am not a huge fan based on how much regeneration Shen already has from his Q. Evasion is pretty bad overall, Bladed Armor is for some junglers, never for lane. Siege Commander is fine if you split push a lot, something Shen does well. Initiator is fine on Shen, but Enlightenment is probably better, since Shen won't really have any other sources of CDR. Mercenary and Honor Guard are both pretty bad, the first point in Honor Guard is OK though, Juggernaut is naturally amazing.
My Shen page is 9/21, 3 Resistance, 3 Hardiness, 2 Tough Skin, 4 Durability 1 Veteran's Scars, 1 Vigor, 2 Indomitable, 3 Enlightenment, 1 Honor Guard, 1 Juggernaut. When I have to support Shen, I switch to 0/21/9, getting Summoner's Resolve since I run heal instead of 1 point in Vigor, Summoner's Insight, 3 Expanded Mind, 1 Scout, 1 Improved Recall, 3 Good Hands.
I think that some guides if done right, are amazing. The good guides are the ones that tell you that 'these are the best items for X, I generally go YZT, but it depends on the game'
For example the best LoL guide I've seen so far would be Spamhappy's Poppy guide: http://solomid.net/guides.php?g=16923
It tells you which items are good, but not which ones to get, justifies them well, provides many relevant lane matchups and how to play them, as well as what your role is in fights.
Guides that say 'get XYZ every game' are bad though.
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Just wondering with Nunu, if I pop ulti, can I release the channel by activating it again, or it has to go full channel for it to deal damage?
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On April 18 2012 12:38 Darpa wrote:
Can anyone point me in the direction of a webpage similar to TL for LOL?
Just somewhere I can look up streams to watch of some top players, look at forums/suggestions. All I can seem to find is the reddit community and stream thread, which has tons of people posting. The only other place Ive found with streams is Wellplayed and they dont have many, only a few. Solomid only seems to post their own player streams as featured.
I keep hearing about riot featured streams, but for the life of me I cant seem to find a list, or where Riot might host links to those streams.
Thanks
For good streams go to solomid.net or clgaming.net. In terms of guides you can find some good ones on those sites but they occasionally are very low quality, but there are a few gems among them (Generally anything written by Umashi is pretty thorough, even if the builds are wonky). On TL we have the best guides for some champions, but are woefully lacking for others.
For forums and good discussion you can't beat TL General Discussion 
On April 19 2012 01:21 sung_moon wrote:
Just wondering with Nunu, if I pop ulti, can I release the channel by activating it again, or it has to go full channel for it to deal damage?
You can pop the ulti channel whenever you want, but it will do reduced damage. Iirc the damage dealt by Nunu ult scales exponentially with how long you channel it. Basically you need to channel the full duration to do the maximum amount of damage, but sometimes it's okay to break channel early.
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^ Thanks. Just bought Nunu and started using him, and wasn't sure if I had to fully charge to deal damage, in which case I would just get stunned by a hero I didn't know had a stun/what he/she does at all. Nunu support seems strong, not sure how else he can be played.
Also I tried out Victor, and is there a specific core you pick or is it situational? (I see myself always inclined to go with the 2nd W buffed core)
edit: Nevermind reading that Victor guide now lol
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On Vik i'd say while you're getting to know him you could go with the Q core, and max Q first to get a good feel for the champ. If you play him regularly I'd switch to the Lazer (E) core and max that first. Buildwise I'd recommend boot+pots, double dorans, rylais, deathcap --> whatever you prefer after that. This gives you damage/survivability early, survivability midgame, and damage late.
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Is there any reason to play ranked play until rank twenty? or is there any way to develop IP points faster than blind pick play?
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On April 19 2012 06:13 Darpa wrote:
Is there any reason to play ranked play until rank twenty? or is there any way to develop IP points faster than blind pick play?
Didn't they change it so that you have to be level 30?
But even if not, ranked takes longer because of draft, and doesn't give more IP. So purely for IP, ranked is worse.
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On April 18 2012 12:38 Darpa wrote:
Can anyone point me in the direction of a webpage similar to TL for LOL?
Just somewhere I can look up streams to watch of some top players, look at forums/suggestions. All I can seem to find is the reddit community and stream thread, which has tons of people posting. The only other place Ive found with streams is Wellplayed and they dont have many, only a few. Solomid only seems to post their own player streams as featured.
I keep hearing about riot featured streams, but for the life of me I cant seem to find a list, or where Riot might host links to those streams.
Thanks
i like CLG's website for watching streams, because they have options to view in small, medium, or large windows (if you're not gonna fullscreen it)
http://clgaming.net/livestreams
if you want tips, you can always try Riot's new players forum:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=29
however, i recommend checking out the guides on TSM's website. i like theirs because you can mouseover any item or skill and it'll give you the stats so you don't have to flip between websites
http://solomid.net/guides.php
Riot occasionally post featured streamers on their announcement forum, but just view the stream list posted above and check them out yourself, if they have a lot of viewers it usually means it's because they're really good or they're really helpful
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On April 19 2012 06:27 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2012 06:13 Darpa wrote:
Is there any reason to play ranked play until rank twenty? or is there any way to develop IP points faster than blind pick play? Didn't they change it so that you have to be level 30? But even if not, ranked takes longer because of draft, and doesn't give more IP. So purely for IP, ranked is worse.
However, i would still recommend playing ranked in general. I was pretty intimidated by it in the beginning, but there is really no reason to be. As long as you understand the usual lineup, and can play at least 2 champions in at least two roles, preferably one of the being support, and have a rough grasp of how the game should work, you should be fine. One of the main advantages of draft pick is that you don't have to deal with shaco. Also, the amount of failing teams due to people egotripping hard in the champion selection is greatly reduced. Generally, i find the experience to be far more enjoyable.
Of course you will still get flamed, but you are playing LoL, and there is basically no way not to get flamed in this game.
I would recommend to avoid learning commonly banned champs like morgana or shaco as a beginner for the same reason. They are banned in most games anyways, so there is really no reason to spend you time learning something you won't do.
And all of this is from a level 30 perspective, as far as i know you can't play ranked before that, the option is not even in the menu if i recall correctly. You could play draft pick, though. But i doubt that makes sense at lower levels, and you will probably have largely increased waiting times.
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i'm about to buy a 1 day ip boost so i can afford runes for a new page.
if i have this 1 day ip boost does it matter if i play dominion or summoner's rift?
i read somewhere that the win-based boosts are bad for dominion and that you should only play sr if you have them. is it the same with the time-based boosts?
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I would guess that it isn't. LoL awards IP based on time played, and a dominion game is on average far shorter then a normal game, so if you only get a boost for a few wins, summoners rift is obviously better. The only minor factor might be that since dominion games are shorter, you spent a proportionally larger amount of time in the champ selection screen, but other then that, it should not matter.
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On April 19 2012 03:45 sung_moon wrote:
^ Thanks. Just bought Nunu and started using him, and wasn't sure if I had to fully charge to deal damage, in which case I would just get stunned by a hero I didn't know had a stun/what he/she does at all. Nunu support seems strong, not sure how else he can be played.
Also I tried out Victor, and is there a specific core you pick or is it situational? (I see myself always inclined to go with the 2nd W buffed core)
edit: Nevermind reading that Victor guide now lol
Here's a tip. If Nunu is in the bush, the opponents cannot see Nunu using his ult (even though you can see the visuals around him). So if you expect an enemy (or better yet, a lot of enemies going through a bush, pop your ult and it will almost certainly do full damage.
This is not fool-proof due to the way aura works in LoL. But 90% of the time people won't notice and will walk right into your trap... then you can proceed to laugh at their face or boast your 250% AP ratio.
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On April 19 2012 15:47 shrinkmaster wrote:
i'm about to buy a 1 day ip boost so i can afford runes for a new page.
if i have this 1 day ip boost does it matter if i play dominion or summoner's rift?
i read somewhere that the win-based boosts are bad for dominion and that you should only play sr if you have them. is it the same with the time-based boosts?
The reason win-boosts are bad for dominion is because the amount of IP from the boost is ~half what you'd get for SR (70 to 140). And since every Dominion (and custom too btw) win subtracts a win, obviously, it's bad.
I don't think it would matter too much which one you play for a 1-day boost. Half IP for ~13 minutes, full IP for ~25 minutes of your time. I guess you can just play whatever and it's fine.
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Hi I have a question, I'm technically from HoN/Dota games, and was bored so I decided to learn LoL
when the guides (that I see in various places) say during the laning phase, and after you buy the initial items, apparently heroes return to the spawn to buy their other batch of items (such as for ryze iirc it's like getting the crystal/tear during that time or something?).
In HoN from what I remember (cause I haven't really played a lot of dota like games for awhile - mainly sc2) it's heavily considered bad to return all the way to base during laning (or at all technically) to get items, and you usually use a chicken/monkey/courier to ship you the items during laning so you don't have to...leave the lane
how do you decide when to leave the lane (i.e. give up your farm) to get your items (as I'm practicing mainly Ryze atm, I guess using Ryze as a baseline would be nice)... is it like around when you're level 6, so you go back and get the items and then start ganking (or for Ryze, get the blue and then start ganking), or...what exactly oo
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On April 23 2012 18:30 zhurai wrote:
Hi I have a question, I'm technically from HoN/Dota games, and was bored so I decided to learn LoL
when the guides (that I see in various places) say during the laning phase, and after you buy the initial items, apparently heroes return to the spawn to buy their other batch of items (such as for ryze iirc it's like getting the crystal/tear during that time or something?).
In HoN from what I remember (cause I haven't really played a lot of dota like games for awhile - mainly sc2) it's heavily considered bad to return all the way to base during laning (or at all technically) to get items, and you usually use a chicken/monkey/courier to ship you the items during laning so you don't have to...leave the lane
how do you decide when to leave the lane (i.e. give up your farm) to get your items (as I'm practicing mainly Ryze atm, I guess using Ryze as a baseline would be nice)... is it like around when you're level 6, so you go back and get the items and then start ganking (or for Ryze, get the blue and then start ganking), or...what exactly oo
Buy timing much harder in LoL than DotA/HoN.
You basically want to find a time when you wont miss any experience or Creeps... So the ideal time is right after you push your lane mate out of the lane, push your creeps to the tower, then farm their next wave between the two towers, however that not always possible.
In general, push the lane out as much as you can whenever you have the gold to buy an item, buy ASAP and get back in lane before you miss too much. It also a good idea to go back whenever your lane opponent go back, preferably after pushing out the wave so that they lose creeps to tower. This way you get all your creeps and they miss out on some, while you both have the luxury of having spent all your gold. This is especially true for when you kill your lane, hardpush to your tower and buy that way you dont lose your advantage because suddenly even though you have moire gold then them, they have more gold actually spent on items.
As Ryze the easiest way/time to do so is likely right when you hit 6 you can use your ulti and combo on the creeps to push really hard.
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Well, it looks like shaco is going on free week.. any tips on saving your team from being completely destroyed?
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On April 24 2012 10:45 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Well, it looks like shaco is going on free week.. any tips on saving your team from being completely destroyed?
Free shacos i imagine to be severely underleveled and underfarmed and completely useless. Shouldn't be too hard.
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