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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 02 2012 22:48 GMT
#661
What wierd about Xerath getting no play is you'd think he would fit into current meta and excel, people play so safe right now and Xerath has the capability to unload obscene burst damage at 1300 range and just pick people. Especally if he can get someone else to do the stun for him, he can stay ultra safe and just have the capacity to destroy any squishy in a standoff.

With a good team you just cant be anywhere near him in a pre-teamfight standoff or you are going to lose your Ad carry instantly with like no chance to save them.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 02 2012 22:49 GMT
#662
That would be because every time someone picks karma, their entire team goes on tilt.

I say this from experience.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 02 2012 22:49 GMT
#663
On February 03 2012 07:47 Hyren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote:
Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated.


Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer.

On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O


I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks).

Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong.

It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc.

For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed.

Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain.


Yeah, Mid specifically here.

I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x

Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing?


Brand was very popular 3-4 patches ago. His E (his mainstay initiation for putting on passive, leading move for his combos) got nerfed in range and he completely fell out of flavor after that. Cass started to replace him right after.

Gragas is very niche. Only two players I've seen play him are Shushei (so gud... dem barrels) and ReginaId.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 02 2012 22:51 GMT
#664
On February 03 2012 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:47 Hyren wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote:
Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated.


Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer.

On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O


I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks).

Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong.

It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc.

For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed.

Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain.


Yeah, Mid specifically here.

I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x

Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing?


Brand was very popular 3-4 patches ago. His E (his mainstay initiation for putting on passive, leading move for his combos) got nerfed in range and he completely fell out of flavor after that. Cass started to replace him right after.

Gragas is very niche. Only two players I've seen play him are Shushei (so gud... dem barrels) and ReginaId.


I remember seeing Gragas a few times in tourneys a few months ago, he was doing very well too.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 02 2012 22:55 GMT
#665
On February 03 2012 07:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Does anybody have a link to the mathcraft of Arpen versus ad marks that Yango did or at least know which gen discussion it was in so I have a place to start digging?


Blitz, wai your search skills so weak?!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281369&currentpage=88#1743
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289985&currentpage=146#2902

Hopefully one of these two links heads you in the right directions. gl~


Yeah thanks. I was just searching for everything Yango wrote ^_^ He posts a lot in GD...
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 22:59:18
February 02 2012 22:56 GMT
#666
On February 03 2012 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:47 Hyren wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote:
Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated.


Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer.

On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O


I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks).

Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong.

It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc.

For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed.

Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain.


Yeah, Mid specifically here.

I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x

Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing?


Brand was very popular 3-4 patches ago. His E (his mainstay initiation for putting on passive, leading move for his combos) got nerfed in range and he completely fell out of flavor after that. Cass started to replace him right after.

Gragas is very niche. Only two players I've seen play him are Shushei (so gud... dem barrels) and ReginaId.

Riot always been too quick to nerf.

Oh, and underplayed ap mid? ANNIE. Especially with all the value being placed on buff control recently. An ap who can chunk VERY well, isnt blue dependent, has very decent laning, AND UNCONDITIONAL AOE CC?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 02 2012 22:59 GMT
#667
On February 03 2012 07:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:47 Hyren wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote:
Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated.


Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer.

On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O


I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks).

Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong.

It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc.

For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed.

Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain.


Yeah, Mid specifically here.

I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x

Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing?


Brand was very popular 3-4 patches ago. His E (his mainstay initiation for putting on passive, leading move for his combos) got nerfed in range and he completely fell out of flavor after that. Cass started to replace him right after.

Gragas is very niche. Only two players I've seen play him are Shushei (so gud... dem barrels) and ReginaId.

Riot always been too quick to nerf.

Oh, and underplayed ap mid? ANNIE. Especially with all the value being placed on buff control recently. An ap who can chunk VERY well, isnt blue dependent, has very decent laning, AND UNCONDITIONAL AOE CC?

She has a lot of unfavorable lanes now tho.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 23:02:46
February 02 2012 23:02 GMT
#668
On February 03 2012 07:55 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Does anybody have a link to the mathcraft of Arpen versus ad marks that Yango did or at least know which gen discussion it was in so I have a place to start digging?


Blitz, wai your search skills so weak?!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281369&currentpage=88#1743
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289985&currentpage=146#2902

Hopefully one of these two links heads you in the right directions. gl~


Yeah thanks. I was just searching for everything Yango wrote ^_^ He posts a lot in GD...


Yango's one of the best posters in our subforum. All his posts are well thought out. He rarely spams posts on top of that.
WTB more Yangos.

On February 03 2012 07:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:47 Hyren wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote:
Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated.


Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer.

On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O


I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks).

Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong.

It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc.

For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed.

Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain.


Yeah, Mid specifically here.

I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x

Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing?


Brand was very popular 3-4 patches ago. His E (his mainstay initiation for putting on passive, leading move for his combos) got nerfed in range and he completely fell out of flavor after that. Cass started to replace him right after.

Gragas is very niche. Only two players I've seen play him are Shushei (so gud... dem barrels) and ReginaId.

Riot always been too quick to nerf.


This goes both ways though. Brand nerf may or may not have been warranted. We won't speculate on that.
But christ our community is so fickle. Brand is more or less still the same. He burst like a boss in team fights like before. He just can't bully as hard in lane. But nope, no one wants to Brand anymore. wtf

Edit: Annie? No, just no. Stop being so downie.

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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 23:05:59
February 02 2012 23:05 GMT
#669
On February 03 2012 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:47 Hyren wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote:
Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated.


Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer.

On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O


I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks).

Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong.

It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc.

For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed.

Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain.


Yeah, Mid specifically here.

I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x

Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing?


Brand was very popular 3-4 patches ago. His E (his mainstay initiation for putting on passive, leading move for his combos) got nerfed in range and he completely fell out of flavor after that. Cass started to replace him right after.

Gragas is very niche. Only two players I've seen play him are Shushei (so gud... dem barrels) and ReginaId.

I was totally hyping CassiOPeia before she was FotM. I also called Kennen OP. /hipstercred

Anyway, for my $0.02. Karma, Lux, Mordekaiser.

Karma is good as has already been said. So won't expound on that. Lux I think could work in special team comps (poke teams?) because binds+slows+shields are really neat. Probably niche though. Morde is also still neat. Maybe not his old gunblade-instagib-your-AD-6v4 but still good.

If I had to give honourable mentions, I'd give them to Veigar, Sion and Annie.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 23:06:52
February 02 2012 23:06 GMT
#670
On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O

I think Malz would do pretty decently these days.

Mainly because he can push so hard and not run oom.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 23:08:34
February 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#671
Malz way too easy to gank. Or at least every malz player ever SEEMS to be way too easy to gank.

Anyway. Xerath is a funny champion. Everyone started playing him, realized he was OP as fuck, and then everyone stopped playing him. wtf?

I saw shushei just counterpick froggens anivia with xerath, he just farmed to 6, hit 6, killed her. Repeat every time ultimate was up.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 02 2012 23:10 GMT
#672
On February 03 2012 08:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2012 07:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:47 Hyren wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote:
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote:
Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated.


Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer.

On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote:
So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me:

What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O


I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks).

Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong.

It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc.

For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed.

Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain.


Yeah, Mid specifically here.

I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x

Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing?


Brand was very popular 3-4 patches ago. His E (his mainstay initiation for putting on passive, leading move for his combos) got nerfed in range and he completely fell out of flavor after that. Cass started to replace him right after.

Gragas is very niche. Only two players I've seen play him are Shushei (so gud... dem barrels) and ReginaId.

I was totally hyping CassiOPeia before she was FotM. I also called Kennen OP. /hipstercred

Anyway, for my $0.02. Karma, Lux, Mordekaiser.

Karma is good as has already been said. So won't expound on that. Lux I think could work in special team comps (poke teams?) because binds+slows+shields are really neat. Probably niche though. Morde is also still neat. Maybe not his old gunblade-instagib-your-AD-6v4 but still good.

If I had to give honourable mentions, I'd give them to Veigar, Sion and Annie.


Remember jiji Lux and HSNidaleeGG couple months ago? hi5 CLG fans~
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 23:16:20
February 02 2012 23:12 GMT
#673
On February 03 2012 07:38 Requizen wrote:
Malz's Ult should almost never be used in team fights unless you're guaranteed to get the whole thing off (Janna peels, etc). It's a much better clean up killer or duelist move, it lets him pretty much win lane as soon as he hits 6 as long as he has the mana for a full combo.


You should definitely use Malzahar's ultimate in team fights, it's just a question of when and why. What you don't do is blindly unload it at the very beginning when everyone is still largely clumped together and the chance of being CC'd/targeted is at its highest. Once the teamfight starts breaking up or most of the CC is down Malzahar's ultimate can be used to great effect.

On February 03 2012 08:08 Slayer91 wrote:
Malz way too easy to gank. Or at least every malz player ever SEEMS to be way too easy to gank.

Anyway. Xerath is a funny champion. Everyone started playing him, realized he was OP as fuck, and then everyone stopped playing him. wtf?

I saw shushei just counterpick froggens anivia with xerath, he just farmed to 6, hit 6, killed her. Repeat every time ultimate was up.


Most Malzahar players endlessly spam E on creeps as if CSing with auto-attacks or casting E on the enemy champion were crimes. Good Malzahar players are more choosy, and don't push unless there's a benefit (e.g. running off to another lane, making the opponent miserable while their jungler is occupied elsewhere etc.).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 02 2012 23:13 GMT
#674
Imma save that post and shove it in your face in a year Neo. Just remember that.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 02 2012 23:13 GMT
#675
On February 03 2012 08:08 Slayer91 wrote:
Malz way too easy to gank. Or at least every malz player ever SEEMS to be way too easy to gank.

Anyway. Xerath is a funny champion. Everyone started playing him, realized he was OP as fuck, and then everyone stopped playing him. wtf?

I saw shushei just counterpick froggens anivia with xerath, he just farmed to 6, hit 6, killed her. Repeat every time ultimate was up.


I think the current style of "good" AP players is being able to push lanes and make plays in other areas of the map (also why jiji gets so much grief as of late). It's no longer just winning your lane.

Champions that can push their lanes very fast (please note that this doesn't mean overextending because a lot of AP players who do push hard, end up with their pants down like Slayer91 is saying) have a variety of options: take own wraiths, invade enemy Blue, gank either top or bottom. In a sense, mid can be the most forgiving when it comes to pushing lanes.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 02 2012 23:18 GMT
#676
How many champions actually have trouble pushing fast once they have blue though? Champions that can push easily without blue are nice but a lot of the things you do mostly involve having blue buff first.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
February 02 2012 23:19 GMT
#677
On February 03 2012 08:13 Two_DoWn wrote:
Imma save that post and shove it in your face in a year Neo. Just remember that.


You mean one year and about 30 champs later? =P
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 02 2012 23:26 GMT
#678
Well, I mean think about it. What champ would you rather have in a 3v3 at the enemy blue buff, or your own blue buff? Her ult is instant zone control over a lane, or dragon, or a buff. Like in competitive play you cant let annie tibbers you in lane, its free drag/blue for the other team.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 02 2012 23:31 GMT
#679
I don't see your issue with Annie, Neo. She is still a very strong champ.
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 02 2012 23:33 GMT
#680
was there any discussion on ziggs -.- his q cooldown seems ridiculously low (~2 sec with blue) and his ult is gay damage from a far... should I buy or is he not OP
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