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Slayer91
Ireland23463 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote: So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me: What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O Orianna, Xerath, Vladimir. (although people are starting to play him again.) | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote: So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me: What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O xerath, brand, swain xerath should be obvious he's still really strong. i think brand is pretty good, AlexIch has shown it several times. And i feel swain is underplayed despite him being pretty strong mid and vs certain bruisers at top lane | ||
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote: So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me: What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O Orianna, Janna, and Xerath, with an honorable mentions to Brand. Orianna is really good (again), Janna is extremely strong for certain comps because of her CC and massive protection, and Xerath and Brand are just generally underplayed, despite their incredible damage potential. Zilean is.. eh. I think he can be strong, but the coordination of some top teams weakens his ult significantly. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
Xerath is easily the strongest caster in the game that doesn't get played much. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Anivia, Malz, Karma but to be fair, I don't think of Xerath or Swain as underplayed and I don't really watch tournies so I'm mostly talking about the champs I see in my games so I might have skewed popularity perspectives. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:24 Craton wrote: Vlad isn't underplayed in the slightest. tbh, vlad isn't good mid, he's much stronger on top. same applies to the person who said swain. swain is stronger on top (especially on blue side, due to blue buff, assuming mid doesn't need it.) | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I'd say Xerath, Orianna, Vlad. I've seen some pretty good Vlads lately with his buffs, and he also has the potential to play top pretty well. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I agree with Smash on Malz. QE have great ratios, W speaks for itself. But more importantly, Malz is a great choice against the typical AP picks. He pushes the lane as hard as AP Janna or Heimer but does a ton of AoE in team fights. His ulti is his double edge sword though. It's a Suppression with great range but you can still get CC'd out of it though. So at best, it's very situational. Like Craton said, Xerath should be everyone's obvious pick. If you didn't Xerath, you ought to theorycraft harder/longer. My third pick is Orianna. She could be bumped off for the likes of Anivia or Brand/Zilean (who have fallen greatly out of flavor) but her utility is just superb imoimo. lol @ Vlad picks and Swain fare a lot better up Top than Mid. :3 Edit: I take it back, I guess I shouldn't lol @ Vlad picks because he hasn't been in many tournaments. But I (personally) counteract that with the shitton of Vlads we normally see everyday. :X | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:12 Alaric wrote: Is it me, or Jax's E doesn't dodge all attacks? I'm getting killed through it several times by a Xin with his knock-up activated. Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer. On February 03 2012 07:13 NeoIllusions wrote: So, more theorycraft time, courtesy of Smash and me: What do you guys think are the Top 3 APs that are underplayed at a tournament level? :O :O :O I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks). Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong. It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc. For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed. Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:39 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Does anybody have a link to the mathcraft of Arpen versus ad marks that Yango did or at least know which gen discussion it was in so I have a place to start digging? Blitz, wai your search skills so weak?! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281369¤tpage=88#1743 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289985¤tpage=146#2902 Hopefully one of these two links heads you in the right directions. gl~ | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:41 Seuss wrote: Most on-next-hit abilities are undodgeable. Xin's Q, Garen's Q, Poppy's Q, TF's W etc. Basically anything that resets the champion's swing timer. I'm assuming you're referring to AP mid/top rather than any junglers (e.g. Fiddlesticks). Xerath is hands down the #1 underplayed AP. He's not uncounterable (Karthus does a fairly good job in lane), but he's definitely strong. It's kind of difficult to pick at any others because there's almost always one pro player who plays them. Froggen plays Anivia, Alex Ich pulled out AP TF, Shushei plays Gragas, Dan Dinh plays Heimerdinger etc. For #2 and #3 I'd have to say Akali and Swain. Akali is still strong, but has to be picked with care since she has a number of well known counters due to a period of overplay. Swain is also strong but inexplicably underplayed. Edit: Oh, so it's mid specifically? Then I can see Malz/Orianna over Akali/Swain. Yeah, Mid specifically here. I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
Although Karma might replace Xerath soon since Xerath has been becoming more popular as time goes on. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
On February 03 2012 07:44 NeoIllusions wrote: Yeah, Mid specifically here. I forgot Gragas. I can totally replace him over Ori... ;x Seems to me that Brand and Gragas were very popular a couple months back? What do you think has happened to make them not so appealing? | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Putting Smash's raging hard-on for Karma aside for a second, god damn, what a poor, poor bitch. Her kit seems boring. Aesthetically, she is the worst champion, bar none. But realistically, she's so strong in team fights. So much AoE, both offensive and defensive. She can easily change team fights faster than most other AP champions. Did I mention she becomes stronger the longer the team fight lasts? Holy shit. Alas, no one wants to play/test/practice with her. Poor, poor Karma. | ||
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