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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
February 02 2012 10:40 GMT
#461
On February 02 2012 19:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
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On February 02 2012 19:07 Mondieu wrote:
How can you be succesful in outpicking Ziggs from other players ? Like when I click "Play now" to go to the character selection screen there's already a ziggs selected ! How can I do it so I pick faster myself?


Uh... don't alt tab when in queue. Have "Ziggs" copied.

Click, ctrl+v, click.

also highly depends on your computer. for me there is a 1-2 second delay before getting to the select screen after clicking play now.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
February 02 2012 10:47 GMT
#462
On February 02 2012 19:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
You're probably right with the math. I run mana regen yellows and purples.

Purples, as in Quints? Wow, that's highly unusual.
currently rooting for myself.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 02 2012 10:49 GMT
#463
hover mouse over where "play now" will apear, press it when you hear the sound, have the champ select scrolled down to ziggs from a previous game.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 02 2012 10:51 GMT
#464
On February 02 2012 19:47 Shiv. wrote:
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On February 02 2012 19:35 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
You're probably right with the math. I run mana regen yellows and purples.

Purples, as in Quints? Wow, that's highly unusual.

I didn't think I'd have enough runes to get a lot of different rune pages so I just wanted stuff that'd be marginally useful to every champion rather than something specific that's just highly useful to one champion. Still quite poor in runes.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 02 2012 10:54 GMT
#465
Chalice is really good. The 100 gold to buy the chalice is paying for the extra 6 MR. The extra mana regeneration % is basically free. If you run like full flat mr blues you get like 3.4 mp5? Chalice is giving you like 10 for basically nothing when you're at low mana. If you're against an AP in lane and want mana regen at all you can save runes for other things like AP and buy a chalice, OR stack mana regen on top of that in case you can't rely on getting blues.

People don't like the trade off of 2 dorans rings for a chalice, but I feel like that's just the cost effectiveness of the dorans rings. You could probably skip all mana regen runes get 1 doran+chalice and be beastly.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:46:24
February 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#466
Eh, was Loco's interview discussed?

http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=122786&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Amusing interview, teammates quipping about 'Loco Jump', etc.

Since it's Fomos content I can't translate it.

EDIT: It's "Interview with Loco" but all of MiG answered many questions. 11 questions total.

Loco, who's who? I don't know which person uses what ID.

EDIT2: summary:

This interview series is to introduce teams and players as the OGN LoL Invitational starts. It'll be updated every Tuesday and Thursday.

T/N: Wow this is hard... paraphrasing an interview doesn't feel right. Due to the nature of the interview, I had to skip some answers because I can't see a way to translate it without being 'word for word'. "(huhu)" indicates that he laughed, the feeling is something like adding "lol" after saying something. "Huhu" was how it was denoted on the interview.

How he started LoL:

Loco: I started playing LoL around the time Gragas and Pantheon came out. I liked to play DotA before and wanted to start a game that I didn't have to commit so much time to like RPGs.

Why he's the AD carry:

Loco: I started as the AP mid because I liked playing mid. Back then AD carries were mid often so I naturally transitioned into playing AD at bot. I want to take Rapidstar's position and make him support (huhu).

What champion he often plays and why:

Loco:Not one particularly, but Trist if I have to choose.
Jang Gun-Woong (woong?): because he sucks at everything else.

Tips to other players?

Loco:To play trist well, you must know when to jump.
Woong: there's something called 'Loco jump', meaning suciding into the enemy team.
Loco: no, it's a devastating technique
Woong: yeah, devastating our team
Hong Min-gi (madlife): Stick to Kog
Woong: our real dps is madlife

Any champs that you haven't mastered?

Loco: none. Maybe some defensive champions
Jeong Min-Sung: yeah there's nothing he's bad at

Nerfs or Buffs you would do?

Loco: Vayne got nerfed but she's a super-carry lategame so nothing much changed. Think cass is a bigger problem, not the ranged DPS. Hope new champions don't come out so fast, because it can be a headache.
Madlife: nerf loco

Do you think you have any rivals?

Loco: Doublelift, but after we crushed them I don't think I can consider him a rival anymore.
Madlife: Loco's one of the best in the world as AD carry. I'm the problem in this team.

How to watch LoL more enjoyably?

Loco: I do a lot of stuff ingame. But people with lots of kills or making flashy plays get all the attention. Foreigners know what's truly happening. I wish those who don't understand the game don't praise my teammates (huhu). I think you need a good undertanding of the game to watch it enjoyable.

Last words:
Loco: I want to create a team with 4 locos and a madlife. I'm too good to support so I'm specially considering madlife (huhu).

Writer's comment: This was an interview done at their team house with all of the players. The answers really show Loco's personality. Hopefully there are more chances to to interview Loco, who wishes to become the most famous in the world.

AGAIN, SOME ANSWERS WERE SKIPPED AND/OR CHANGED. Do not take the this partially translated interview at face value.
Stuck.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 02 2012 11:10 GMT
#467
If someone wants to translate, it can't be word for word due to Fomos content being copyrighted.
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JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
February 02 2012 11:24 GMT
#468
On February 02 2012 19:00 mr_tolkien wrote:
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On February 02 2012 18:50 starfries wrote:
On February 02 2012 18:39 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 02 2012 17:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
I don't think Jax is OP at all. I think he's still underwhelming. Sure he can do tons of damage, but his laning is weak as hell and he still requires a shitton of farm to get the ball rolling. I honestly don't see him being all that strong/viable in competitive play especially since the metagame is pretty geared towards early-mid game domination.

I think people with Jax still think you need to build damage to melt faces. Once they'll get that you don't need this at ALL, Jax will be perma ban status.

He still does get abused in lane early on though because of the long cd on his E and I don't think that will change. You have to be really clever about when you use it or people will bait it out and then destroy you while it's down. Once you hit 7ish you become really scary and you can chunk people hard enough that they won't even want to eat a single E so the cooldown doesn't matter too much anymore. But he does have weak matchups (more so than say, Irelia or GP) so I think that will keep him down.

E ? Lane with W and win every trade with a double empowered hit. Open cloth 5 and outlast them if they didn't. If they did open cloth 5, just farm and destroy them post 6. His damage output is just crazy while building full def with full defensive masteries as well.

There are some lanes he simply can't trade with, like GP, the new jax is actually worse @ trading with W than the old jax. Some lanes you can trade with W, others you still can't.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
February 02 2012 11:31 GMT
#469
Watching oddone and salce trying to play support is the most hilarious thing ever.
boomer hands
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 11:37:01
February 02 2012 11:36 GMT
#470
On February 02 2012 20:24 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 19:00 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 02 2012 18:50 starfries wrote:
On February 02 2012 18:39 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 02 2012 17:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
I don't think Jax is OP at all. I think he's still underwhelming. Sure he can do tons of damage, but his laning is weak as hell and he still requires a shitton of farm to get the ball rolling. I honestly don't see him being all that strong/viable in competitive play especially since the metagame is pretty geared towards early-mid game domination.

I think people with Jax still think you need to build damage to melt faces. Once they'll get that you don't need this at ALL, Jax will be perma ban status.

He still does get abused in lane early on though because of the long cd on his E and I don't think that will change. You have to be really clever about when you use it or people will bait it out and then destroy you while it's down. Once you hit 7ish you become really scary and you can chunk people hard enough that they won't even want to eat a single E so the cooldown doesn't matter too much anymore. But he does have weak matchups (more so than say, Irelia or GP) so I think that will keep him down.

E ? Lane with W and win every trade with a double empowered hit. Open cloth 5 and outlast them if they didn't. If they did open cloth 5, just farm and destroy them post 6. His damage output is just crazy while building full def with full defensive masteries as well.

There are some lanes he simply can't trade with, like GP, the new jax is actually worse @ trading with W than the old jax. Some lanes you can trade with W, others you still can't.

GP is a big bully and if you can't negate or outsustain his Q you're in serious trouble. Jax is no exception, but that's more a case of GP being a soft-counter to a large group of bruisers top.
The legend of Darien lives on
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
February 02 2012 12:07 GMT
#471
Had no idea that's how you're supposed to play GP. How do you have enough mana to constantly Q champions like Riven / Warwick for example ? I just sat at my tower and outfarmed them. They'd tower dive me although on full HP whenever their jungler came though >< ( shyvana so powerfull )
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
February 02 2012 12:14 GMT
#472
On February 02 2012 21:07 Mondieu wrote:
Had no idea that's how you're supposed to play GP. How do you have enough mana to constantly Q champions like Riven / Warwick for example ? I just sat at my tower and outfarmed them. They'd tower dive me although on full HP whenever their jungler came though >< ( shyvana so powerfull )

If you just trying to stay alive max W and be a dick. If you're trying to kill max Q and get cheap autos in whenever possible because once you have a few stacks on them they can't run and you get the free kill huehue
boomer hands
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 02 2012 12:15 GMT
#473
On February 02 2012 21:07 Mondieu wrote:
Had no idea that's how you're supposed to play GP. How do you have enough mana to constantly Q champions like Riven / Warwick for example ? I just sat at my tower and outfarmed them. They'd tower dive me although on full HP whenever their jungler came though >< ( shyvana so powerfull )


Use the GP thread...
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Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
February 02 2012 12:16 GMT
#474
GP is absurdly strong early (ranged harass, passive AD/MS) mid (get-out-of-jail-free orange, ult helps ganks/skirmishes without leaving lane) and late (raw stats on an aura allows him to build tanky, ranged attack with bruiser stats, scales with both metagolem and IE/dps items).

It's a good thing his power is counter-balanced by the difficulty in executing his full combo
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Akinokaze
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia326 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 12:26:53
February 02 2012 12:20 GMT
#475
On February 02 2012 19:54 Slayer91 wrote:
Chalice is really good. The 100 gold to buy the chalice is paying for the extra 6 MR. The extra mana regeneration % is basically free. If you run like full flat mr blues you get like 3.4 mp5? Chalice is giving you like 10 for basically nothing when you're at low mana. If you're against an AP in lane and want mana regen at all you can save runes for other things like AP and buy a chalice, OR stack mana regen on top of that in case you can't rely on getting blues.

People don't like the trade off of 2 dorans rings for a chalice, but I feel like that's just the cost effectiveness of the dorans rings. You could probably skip all mana regen runes get 1 doran+chalice and be beastly.


Much more then 10 actually, the typical base MP5 of a lv6 char (about the time you could get boots+chalice) is 10. Combined with a single set of MP5 runes (flat yellow = 3.7, scaling yellow = 3.5@lv6, flat blue = 2.8, scaling blue = 3.0@lv6), the base 7.5 MP5 of chalice and MP5 mastery you have a total of ~24 with a max of ~48 which is pretty damn good.

Edit: wait, slightly confused. flat mr blues = 3.4 mp5?
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Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
February 02 2012 12:32 GMT
#476
On February 02 2012 10:06 starfries wrote:
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On February 02 2012 10:04 courtpanda wrote:
On February 02 2012 09:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 02 2012 09:54 0123456789 wrote:
LoL is the one game I think that females can be pro at. Low skillcap, and teamwork!!! Perfect for gurls.

So sexist! I guess.
No, I'm sure someone is offended now!

yay misogynism!

that's not even true, everyone knows girls are bad at map awareness

IMO mobas are games with both deductive and inductive thinking, which is why girls are just as good as guys at them--guys tend to think deductively and girls tend to think inductively. Another game with both of these is go, AKA baduk. (Then there's the fact that you are playing on a team and against a team, both of which have social dynamics and such, but that's just a bonus.)

There are always exceptions and I think you could even argue that the only real difference is that society allows deductive men and inductive women to succeed, training these thoughts at a young age, meaning it is entirely nurture and not nature at all...

i've thought a lot about this stuff :I Also IMO westrice will become a sex symbol within the next 10 years.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 02 2012 12:37 GMT
#477
women have a biological advantage that might help with map awareness. Their visual focus is far less concentrated on one spot like it is the case with men. For men it should be much harder to see what is going on on the whole screen because they have to scan over it, while women do this naturally.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 02 2012 12:42 GMT
#478
Is that how they always catch us looking at bewbs? HAX!
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-02 12:52:03
February 02 2012 12:46 GMT
#479
On February 02 2012 21:20 midnight.tokyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2012 19:54 Slayer91 wrote:
Chalice is really good. The 100 gold to buy the chalice is paying for the extra 6 MR. The extra mana regeneration % is basically free. If you run like full flat mr blues you get like 3.4 mp5? Chalice is giving you like 10 for basically nothing when you're at low mana. If you're against an AP in lane and want mana regen at all you can save runes for other things like AP and buy a chalice, OR stack mana regen on top of that in case you can't rely on getting blues.

People don't like the trade off of 2 dorans rings for a chalice, but I feel like that's just the cost effectiveness of the dorans rings. You could probably skip all mana regen runes get 1 doran+chalice and be beastly.


Much more then 10 actually, the typical base MP5 of a lv6 char (about the time you could get boots+chalice) is 10. Combined with a single set of MP5 runes (flat yellow = 3.7, scaling yellow = 3.5@lv6, flat blue = 2.8, scaling blue = 3.0@lv6), the base 7.5 MP5 of chalice and MP5 mastery you have a total of ~24 with a max of ~48 which is pretty damn good.

Edit: wait, slightly confused. flat mr blues = 3.4 mp5?


FLAT MRegen yellows I mean. I was also noting at the time you could skip mr blues or just stack them with the chalice vs AP lanes (internally, thus the slip up)

Yeah, and definitely I don't look over everything at once. I take a series of steps. Minimap awareness is like "I know I'm pushed far, check the minimap just in case, oh, mids missing, thought so". In teamfights it's like "okay these tanks are going to initiate, I see they initiate, check that off in my head, locate the AP/AD carry, what are they doing? They should be trying to follow up, go chase them off, kill them, when they get away//they are dead, where are the tanks gone? Did they kill our team and do we need to clean up, do we need to cut them off?" I tend to just tunnel vision on steps and then take a step back and review every time I complete a task. This is just retrospectively analysing though, with bias based on what I'm told I'm doing. An example of inductive thinking, I believe! (Again, this kind of thinking isn't natural for me either, I usually just do it without thinking how I did it, although reflexively it could be again me being told I'm not an inductive thinker therefore I'll find examples of me not thinking inductively, thoughtception...)
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 02 2012 13:10 GMT
#480
Just tried the «cs during 20 minutes» challenge since I find I suck at last hitting...

Went up to 260 (I stole the wraiths a few times as mid though) \o/
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