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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On February 11 2012 13:45 Craton wrote: Imagine how easy it'd be to balance him if they just made him use mana. Who on Riot thought manaless heroes were a good idea?... At least with energy based heroes there's still resource management in a teamfight that lasts longer than 10 seconds. Never understood the concept of manaless heroes :/ | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i mean shen was my first love and all. first main, first skin i ever bought, wrote the tl shen guide, played literally 500 games with him... but his buffs are kinda bittersweet because shen prominence means the end of the riven era. riven already loses to shen really hard and the new shen might actually scale well past level 11 which means you can't lose your lane and win the game anyway as riven. riven is one of the most fun champs in the game and probably my best non-jungle champ at the moment. i guess the cycle is complete with the shen buffs, but it's gonna suck to go from boring shen to awesome riven back to boring shen T_T | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Now there is going to be no way to push that guy out of lane, especially with better shield/ki strike/hp regen scaling....I'm wondering if even OP-laf can do it since Shen can now duel decently with taunt reducing damage.... I'm not gonna be one to cry 'OP' before release, but I'm really not looking foward to hanging out top lane with this guy again. Just when I was gonna buy and learn Rumble too.... Also here's an interesting question.....during the great global ult purge, wnhy the hell was Shen's left alone? His is just as effective if not more so than TF's or Pantheon's, and with these buffs... | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Also here's an interesting question.....during the great global ult purge, wnhy the hell was Shen's left alone? His is just as effective if not more so than TF's or Pantheon's, and with these buffs... No his ult is not as good as old TF/Panth ult. He can only ult onto allies so the range on his ult can be anywhere from across the map to ten feet away if everyone on your team is bunched together. Riot got rid of the global aspect of TF's ult because of his strength at back dooring and split pushing. You can still split push as TF you just can't jump from top to bottom like you used to be able to. Shen can't use his ult to back door and while he can use it to split push he requires his allies to be where they're suppose to be. | ||
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Lancer723
United States486 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:36 overt wrote: No his ult is not as good as old TF/Panth ult. He can only ult onto allies so the range on his ult can be anywhere from across the map to ten feet away if everyone on your team is bunched together. Riot got rid of the global aspect of TF's ult because of his strength at back dooring and split pushing. You can still split push as TF you just can't jump from top to bottom like you used to be able to. Shen can't use his ult to back door and while he can use it to split push he requires his allies to be where they're suppose to be. While it's still true that you can't actually "backdoor" with Shen, the abuse case of Shen pushing top while his teammates dance at bottom lane is still in play. It's actually a pretty simple strategy, and not too terribly hard to execute against teams that lack hard initiation, even in solo queue The major difference between Shen and Old TF is that TF pushes extremely fast where Shen takes significantly longer to push the wave to tower and also kills the tower more slowly, making him marginally more manageable in that you have more time to force a fight before Shen kills all your towers. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:30 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I think shen will still be really weak. I like his ult though. shen isnt really 'weak' right now. Well at least ive seen him once recently in a tournament game going full tank and win a game. He is one of the best top laners until bigger farm comes into play where other champions scale way better. The problem with that is that shen neither pushes fast nor scales well enough to have consistency in the later stages right now, so he is very situational. A bit of scaling on shen will resolve this issue and I don't even think it has to be alot. I just really like shen because he isn't your everyday bruiser who charges into carries. He can do that to a certain extend but in the other hand he really excells at protecting your own carries. The only tanks that share a similar role would be lee sin and alistar from the top of my head. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:11 gtrsrs wrote: kinda bummed about the upcoming shen changes i mean shen was my first love and all. first main, first skin i ever bought, wrote the tl shen guide, played literally 500 games with him... but his buffs are kinda bittersweet because shen prominence means the end of the riven era. riven already loses to shen really hard and the new shen might actually scale well past level 11 which means you can't lose your lane and win the game anyway as riven. riven is one of the most fun champs in the game and probably my best non-jungle champ at the moment. i guess the cycle is complete with the shen buffs, but it's gonna suck to go from boring shen to awesome riven back to boring shen T_T ban shen, play riven lol | ||
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Flakes
United States3125 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:36 overt wrote: No his ult is not as good as old TF/Panth ult. He can only ult onto allies so the range on his ult can be anywhere from across the map to ten feet away if everyone on your team is bunched together. Riot got rid of the global aspect of TF's ult because of his strength at back dooring and split pushing. You can still split push as TF you just can't jump from top to bottom like you used to be able to. Shen can't use his ult to back door and while he can use it to split push he requires his allies to be where they're suppose to be. Well another problem is that global ults tend to make every lane more passive, even more so than a stealth ganker because seeing a global champ elsewhere doesn't guarantee your safety. Shen is definitely underplayed atm, but I don't really miss the days when he was overpowered | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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pschiu
Singapore410 Posts
It was fun while it lasted. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 11 2012 12:59 r.Evo wrote: First thoughts: -Shen finally OP. -LOL SONA NERF SORAKA #1 support. Oh, Soraka nerf, too. Cool. Both back in line and other non-standard supports more viable. Cool. -Vlad nerf. loldoh. Needed. Easiest champ to balance obv. Sona's early game was strong, I never felt that's what made her OP though, having shurelyas/hog/chalice/cdr boots makes you just carry teamfights all day. Level 3 skills are back to what they were so if you guys stop being derpheads and taking level 4 E when you don't need it then you'll have an identical sona at level 8 to what she used to be. What makes shen so strong against riven? | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 11 2012 20:17 WhiteDog wrote: I really like the concept around the new hero. The skin is cool and his kit is kinda impressive, but with too many CCs it's hard to see him something else than either imba or just sejuani. Don't hate on my Sejuani. She's super sleeper OP. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
That said, Dariens not nearly as scary on vlad  | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:28 Slayer91 wrote: What makes shen so strong against riven? Seen Loci and a few others dismember Riven w/Shen; he's like a mana-free Gangplank except he throws swords instead of shooting bullets, and has enough incidental sustain to make a difference versus her lack of sustain. He has decent mobility, too. Keen to see the full patch notes to see if the mutterings about Karma/Warwick changes will emerge. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On February 11 2012 21:51 Haasts wrote: Seen Loci and a few others dismember Riven w/Shen; he's like a mana-free Gangplank except he throws swords instead of shooting bullets, and has enough incidental sustain to make a difference versus her lack of sustain. He has decent mobility, too. Keen to see the full patch notes to see if the mutterings about Karma/Warwick changes will emerge. What? Don't dare to touch WW please Riot! He's one of the most balanced champs (aka once riot nerfs all the op shit he will be top tier) | ||
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