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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 11 2012 02:43 GMT
#2921
lol this new guy is like malphite with his q and r reversed
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
rightstuff
Profile Joined October 2010
United States160 Posts
February 11 2012 02:51 GMT
#2922
I wonder how that shield ability's damage will scale. If it scales with HP too that would be insane. AP scaling would make Rylai's a go to for this guy?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 11 2012 02:52 GMT
#2923
He looks fun. Really liking the recent champs, after Viktor, him...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
February 11 2012 02:54 GMT
#2924
On February 11 2012 11:38 BlackMagister wrote:
How reliable are the side portraits of your allies for seeing how much health they have. When I support as Soraka I can either guess when they need a Wish by seeing if there is more than one enemy on the mini map near an ally, look directly at the situation (at the cost of lane awareness) or use the side portraits. The portraits seem the best, but when I first started to play I remember them being really unreliable showing lvl 2 characters a few minutes past when they were lvl 2. It seems more reliable nowdays, but I'm still distrustful. Also it doesn't work during Nocturne ult apparently.

They update pretty often, every like 2 seconds or something.
twitch.tv/cratonz
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 03:04:14
February 11 2012 03:02 GMT
#2925
Alright I just distrust the portraits for some reason even though they're the best way to know in Solo Q. The new champ is interesting and I'm really curious about how the upcoming nerfs to sona and soraka will affect support play, there is also talk about Karma changes, but not sure if that is going to be in the patch.

TSM just went 1-1 vs WE a Chinese team. First game was back and forth second game was pretty one sided in TSM's favor. They're scrimming EG next in 10-20mins or something, Regi threatening to beat up Dyrus if he wins lol.
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
February 11 2012 03:16 GMT
#2926
Wtf, new guy basically has Bear Form as a passive.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
February 11 2012 03:25 GMT
#2927
On February 11 2012 09:14 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him


Nah, Regi's Cass is SUPER depressing.


What champs is Regi good? Like his top 2 champs.
Never Knows Best.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 03:31:58
February 11 2012 03:25 GMT
#2928
Hookshot to enemy or enemy creep, hit to stun champ, smash ground for slow. Successful gank? Or will he just be a top laner. It's not that big of deal that he is copying bear form, we had volibear with singed's fling expect it also makes him move faster.

Well I'm not sure what Regi's best champs are, but his top two played recently are Cass and Sion for sure. He is still good at his other champs I assume like Brand, Gragas, Leblanc even if he isn't playing them as much recently.

Haha yordle and brother fight. Regi Ziggs vs Heimer Dan
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
February 11 2012 03:26 GMT
#2929
On February 11 2012 12:16 arnath wrote:
Wtf, new guy basically has Bear Form as a passive.

A much shittier version of Bear Stance.

EG vs TSM starting. Araragi subbing in for Salce, Dan playing Heimer, Dyrus playing Jax.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 11 2012 03:49 GMT
#2930
On February 11 2012 02:12 Two_DoWn wrote:
Trundle isnt very good simply because the ONLY thing that he brings to a team is his pillar. Thats it. And even then other characters have better peel/disengage abilities than pillar (for example, alistar is MUCH better in a poke comp than trundle can ever hope to be).

The other problem he has is that his ultimate is terrible. It really doesnt DO anything for him. Optimally you need to run through the enemy team to the tank, then run through the team to the carry. All the while getting beat to shit. And his ult just isnt even that good. You barely leech life, and in terms of abilities that give stat bonuses id MUCH rather have shy's ult than trundles.


I know I'm late but I can't stop myself from pointing out that TD must be talking about a different game here. In his game, the tanks form the backline and the carries are sitting in front. For some reason the tanks seem to have insane resists and therefor have to be protected by the carries.

Which game is that TD? =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
February 11 2012 03:51 GMT
#2931
Patch Preview
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 11 2012 03:53 GMT
#2932
On February 11 2012 12:49 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 02:12 Two_DoWn wrote:
Trundle isnt very good simply because the ONLY thing that he brings to a team is his pillar. Thats it. And even then other characters have better peel/disengage abilities than pillar (for example, alistar is MUCH better in a poke comp than trundle can ever hope to be).

The other problem he has is that his ultimate is terrible. It really doesnt DO anything for him. Optimally you need to run through the enemy team to the tank, then run through the team to the carry. All the while getting beat to shit. And his ult just isnt even that good. You barely leech life, and in terms of abilities that give stat bonuses id MUCH rather have shy's ult than trundles.


I know I'm late but I can't stop myself from pointing out that TD must be talking about a different game here. In his game, the tanks form the backline and the carries are sitting in front. For some reason the tanks seem to have insane resists and therefor have to be protected by the carries.

Which game is that TD? =P

If fights took place in an ideal manner, sure.

Unfortunatly, most of the time fights tend to be spread in a few different directions, with your damage to one side with the tanks chasing them, their damage somewhere else, and a bunch of champs in between. I mean, look at any teamfight and tell me that you can go straight from their tank to a carry without getting beat the shit out off in between.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#2933
On February 11 2012 12:51 BlackMagister wrote:
Patch Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AbxXzw8ONdc

I am given extreme hope by the fact that shen's q seemed to do practically no damage. Shit is so broken top lane when it hurts. Its worse than kennen when you are playing a melee champion.

Yay soraka nerfs.

Soniv gonna be happy with vlad nerfs.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#2934
On February 11 2012 12:51 BlackMagister wrote:
Patch Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AbxXzw8ONdc


First thoughts:
-Shen finally OP.
-LOL SONA NERF SORAKA #1 support. Oh, Soraka nerf, too. Cool. Both back in line and other non-standard supports more viable. Cool.
-Vlad nerf. loldoh. Needed. Easiest champ to balance obv.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
February 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#2935
On February 11 2012 12:53 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 12:49 r.Evo wrote:
On February 11 2012 02:12 Two_DoWn wrote:
Trundle isnt very good simply because the ONLY thing that he brings to a team is his pillar. Thats it. And even then other characters have better peel/disengage abilities than pillar (for example, alistar is MUCH better in a poke comp than trundle can ever hope to be).

The other problem he has is that his ultimate is terrible. It really doesnt DO anything for him. Optimally you need to run through the enemy team to the tank, then run through the team to the carry. All the while getting beat to shit. And his ult just isnt even that good. You barely leech life, and in terms of abilities that give stat bonuses id MUCH rather have shy's ult than trundles.


I know I'm late but I can't stop myself from pointing out that TD must be talking about a different game here. In his game, the tanks form the backline and the carries are sitting in front. For some reason the tanks seem to have insane resists and therefor have to be protected by the carries.

Which game is that TD? =P

If fights took place in an ideal manner, sure.

Unfortunatly, most of the time fights tend to be spread in a few different directions, with your damage to one side with the tanks chasing them, their damage somewhere else, and a bunch of champs in between. I mean, look at any teamfight and tell me that you can go straight from their tank to a carry without getting beat the shit out off in between.


The "normal" pattern of a teamfight though is that you kinda have to cross their tankline to reach their carries. Ult their tanky champ, continue waddling towards their carries. - Their tanky dps has less tank and can be shut down easier while you can still make their dps hit you. Tadaa, goal achieved!
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 04:05:19
February 11 2012 04:04 GMT
#2936
On February 11 2012 13:00 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 12:53 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:49 r.Evo wrote:
On February 11 2012 02:12 Two_DoWn wrote:
Trundle isnt very good simply because the ONLY thing that he brings to a team is his pillar. Thats it. And even then other characters have better peel/disengage abilities than pillar (for example, alistar is MUCH better in a poke comp than trundle can ever hope to be).

The other problem he has is that his ultimate is terrible. It really doesnt DO anything for him. Optimally you need to run through the enemy team to the tank, then run through the team to the carry. All the while getting beat to shit. And his ult just isnt even that good. You barely leech life, and in terms of abilities that give stat bonuses id MUCH rather have shy's ult than trundles.


I know I'm late but I can't stop myself from pointing out that TD must be talking about a different game here. In his game, the tanks form the backline and the carries are sitting in front. For some reason the tanks seem to have insane resists and therefor have to be protected by the carries.

Which game is that TD? =P

If fights took place in an ideal manner, sure.

Unfortunatly, most of the time fights tend to be spread in a few different directions, with your damage to one side with the tanks chasing them, their damage somewhere else, and a bunch of champs in between. I mean, look at any teamfight and tell me that you can go straight from their tank to a carry without getting beat the shit out off in between.


The "normal" pattern of a teamfight though is that you kinda have to cross their tankline to reach their carries. Ult their tanky champ, continue waddling towards their carries. - Their tanky dps has less tank and can be shut down easier while you can still make their dps hit you. Tadaa, goal achieved!

You are considering a 2 dimensional fight only.

What about a dragon fight where:

@@@

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------#######



----------------------------------------------------%

The enemy carries are the @ up in the brush by mid, you are in drag pit, your team splits south.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 11 2012 04:06 GMT
#2937
oh man, did they make shen op again? its been quite some time my dear shen.
vlad and sona nerf obviously well warrented, soraka had it coming too.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 11 2012 04:07 GMT
#2938
The Soraka change is pretty huge. Guess I'll have to open faerie with her now too.
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
February 11 2012 04:09 GMT
#2939
Woah those Shen changes scare me. Everything gets a buff! How could this possibly go wrong?
Veni, vidi, vici!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 11 2012 04:11 GMT
#2940
On February 11 2012 13:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 13:00 r.Evo wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:53 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 11 2012 12:49 r.Evo wrote:
On February 11 2012 02:12 Two_DoWn wrote:
Trundle isnt very good simply because the ONLY thing that he brings to a team is his pillar. Thats it. And even then other characters have better peel/disengage abilities than pillar (for example, alistar is MUCH better in a poke comp than trundle can ever hope to be).

The other problem he has is that his ultimate is terrible. It really doesnt DO anything for him. Optimally you need to run through the enemy team to the tank, then run through the team to the carry. All the while getting beat to shit. And his ult just isnt even that good. You barely leech life, and in terms of abilities that give stat bonuses id MUCH rather have shy's ult than trundles.


I know I'm late but I can't stop myself from pointing out that TD must be talking about a different game here. In his game, the tanks form the backline and the carries are sitting in front. For some reason the tanks seem to have insane resists and therefor have to be protected by the carries.

Which game is that TD? =P

If fights took place in an ideal manner, sure.

Unfortunatly, most of the time fights tend to be spread in a few different directions, with your damage to one side with the tanks chasing them, their damage somewhere else, and a bunch of champs in between. I mean, look at any teamfight and tell me that you can go straight from their tank to a carry without getting beat the shit out off in between.


The "normal" pattern of a teamfight though is that you kinda have to cross their tankline to reach their carries. Ult their tanky champ, continue waddling towards their carries. - Their tanky dps has less tank and can be shut down easier while you can still make their dps hit you. Tadaa, goal achieved!

You are considering a 2 dimensional fight only.

What about a dragon fight where:

@@@

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------#######



----------------------------------------------------%

The enemy carries are the @ up in the brush by mid, you are in drag pit, your team splits south.


just... use paint
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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