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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 22:43:53
February 10 2012 22:43 GMT
#2901
Trundle is probably my favorite jungler at this point (maaaaybe Malphite is more fun, but that's just because ulting somebody from the brush makes my dick hard). That being said, I think his true weakness is what was discussed earlier. It simply takes too much gold to make him strong enough to actually be engaging. If you build for a faster trinity force, you neglect defense and will get destroyed trying to engage, even w/ the stolen mr/armor. If you build hp, then you're easily ignorable because your damage output is so low. Maybe a buff to his ultimate to make it last several seconds longer could be a start, but I don't really know.

He can work in arranged 5's for certain team comps, but that can be said about probably any single champion in the game, but if you're being relegated to extreme rare usage under only perfect circumstances, something is wrong. If all he really works in now is certain poke comps because pillar is so good at disengaging, then making him stronger wont suddenly make the poke comps better since he wasn't engaging to begin with.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 10 2012 23:02 GMT
#2902
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
February 10 2012 23:07 GMT
#2903
Oh man crazy fight with people just coming back and dying left and right.
God Bless
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 10 2012 23:07 GMT
#2904
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 23:10:38
February 10 2012 23:10 GMT
#2905
well it doesn't really matter, you can pick fizz and ad shaco last, first, whenever, they'll still get rolled by the tier ones of their lanes anyway.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 23:19:34
February 10 2012 23:17 GMT
#2906
On February 11 2012 08:07 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.


i don't think that he's that good at her... he misses so many ults. and he's getting caught in this match alot, it doesn't hurt TSM so much now as they're pretty ahead anyway.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 10 2012 23:18 GMT
#2907
On February 11 2012 08:07 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.

Apart from himself?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 10 2012 23:20 GMT
#2908
On February 11 2012 08:17 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:07 Treadmill wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.


i consider him pretty bad at her... his misses so many ults with her. and he's getting caught in this match alot, it doesn't hurt TSM so much now as they're pretty ahead anyway.

It's not that he's bad, it's that he's so good that he doesn't need his ult!
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Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 10 2012 23:21 GMT
#2909
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 10 2012 23:25 GMT
#2910
who loses lane with cass anyway. she's so safe.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
February 10 2012 23:27 GMT
#2911
I'm gonna call it now:

In 3-4 months blitz is gonna be a legit jungler, shit that guy has sick lvl 2 ganks with E and Q and if you don't lvl 2 gank you jungler rly fast with EW

Try it out, 21/8/1, usual jungle runes
In the woods, there lurks..
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 23:30:00
February 10 2012 23:27 GMT
#2912
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
February 10 2012 23:27 GMT
#2913
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 10 2012 23:32 GMT
#2914
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 11 2012 00:14 GMT
#2915
On February 11 2012 08:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him


Nah, Regi's Cass is SUPER depressing.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 11 2012 00:24 GMT
#2916
On February 11 2012 08:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him


He might not lose lane much, but his ults leave something to be desired.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
February 11 2012 01:01 GMT
#2917
salce just found out about curse tourney on stream LOL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 11 2012 02:17 GMT
#2918
On February 11 2012 09:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him


He might not lose lane much, but his ults leave something to be desired.

It's still not as bad as Rainman's irelia.
liftlift > tsm
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 02:39:18
February 11 2012 02:38 GMT
#2919
How reliable are the side portraits of your allies for seeing how much health they have. When I support as Soraka I can either guess when they need a Wish by seeing if there is more than one enemy on the mini map near an ally, look directly at the situation (at the cost of lane awareness) or use the side portraits. The portraits seem the best, but when I first started to play I remember them being really unreliable showing lvl 2 characters a few minutes past when they were lvl 2. It seems more reliable nowdays, but I'm still distrustful. Also it doesn't work during Nocturne ult apparently.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 11 2012 02:40 GMT
#2920
Nautilus revealed. I like him already
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
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