• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 22:10
CET 04:10
KST 12:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket12Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1599 users

[Patch 1.0.0.133: Ziggs] General Discussion - Page 146

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 144 145 146 147 148 176 Next
Heed these two simple warnings. It will help make our GD a better place.

Consider this fair notice to all users. Warning will be dished out this patch.

Thanks.
Neo, 31.01.12
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 22:43:53
February 10 2012 22:43 GMT
#2901
Trundle is probably my favorite jungler at this point (maaaaybe Malphite is more fun, but that's just because ulting somebody from the brush makes my dick hard). That being said, I think his true weakness is what was discussed earlier. It simply takes too much gold to make him strong enough to actually be engaging. If you build for a faster trinity force, you neglect defense and will get destroyed trying to engage, even w/ the stolen mr/armor. If you build hp, then you're easily ignorable because your damage output is so low. Maybe a buff to his ultimate to make it last several seconds longer could be a start, but I don't really know.

He can work in arranged 5's for certain team comps, but that can be said about probably any single champion in the game, but if you're being relegated to extreme rare usage under only perfect circumstances, something is wrong. If all he really works in now is certain poke comps because pillar is so good at disengaging, then making him stronger wont suddenly make the poke comps better since he wasn't engaging to begin with.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 10 2012 23:02 GMT
#2902
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
February 10 2012 23:07 GMT
#2903
Oh man crazy fight with people just coming back and dying left and right.
God Bless
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 10 2012 23:07 GMT
#2904
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 23:10:38
February 10 2012 23:10 GMT
#2905
well it doesn't really matter, you can pick fizz and ad shaco last, first, whenever, they'll still get rolled by the tier ones of their lanes anyway.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 23:19:34
February 10 2012 23:17 GMT
#2906
On February 11 2012 08:07 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.


i don't think that he's that good at her... he misses so many ults. and he's getting caught in this match alot, it doesn't hurt TSM so much now as they're pretty ahead anyway.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 10 2012 23:18 GMT
#2907
On February 11 2012 08:07 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.

Apart from himself?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 10 2012 23:20 GMT
#2908
On February 11 2012 08:17 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:07 Treadmill wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
I don't understand fanatic's picks. ad shaco top vs yorick (one from shikyo's playbook as I recall), fizz mid vs cass, both with 50% of their opponent's cs. Why would you pick heros that just cannot win their lane?

Yorick WAS the last pick, and who really beats Regi's Cass anyways.


i consider him pretty bad at her... his misses so many ults with her. and he's getting caught in this match alot, it doesn't hurt TSM so much now as they're pretty ahead anyway.

It's not that he's bad, it's that he's so good that he doesn't need his ult!
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 10 2012 23:21 GMT
#2909
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
February 10 2012 23:25 GMT
#2910
who loses lane with cass anyway. she's so safe.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
February 10 2012 23:27 GMT
#2911
I'm gonna call it now:

In 3-4 months blitz is gonna be a legit jungler, shit that guy has sick lvl 2 ganks with E and Q and if you don't lvl 2 gank you jungler rly fast with EW

Try it out, 21/8/1, usual jungle runes
In the woods, there lurks..
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 23:30:00
February 10 2012 23:27 GMT
#2912
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.
DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
February 10 2012 23:27 GMT
#2913
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 10 2012 23:32 GMT
#2914
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 11 2012 00:14 GMT
#2915
On February 11 2012 08:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him


Nah, Regi's Cass is SUPER depressing.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
February 11 2012 00:24 GMT
#2916
On February 11 2012 08:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him


He might not lose lane much, but his ults leave something to be desired.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
February 11 2012 01:01 GMT
#2917
salce just found out about curse tourney on stream LOL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 11 2012 02:17 GMT
#2918
On February 11 2012 09:24 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 08:32 CeriseCherries wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:27 Bladeorade wrote:
I've seen him get totally shit on in lane numerous times.

He is too aggressive, misses Q's and then E's anyway, fails at her ult so much (cone shots 2 hard to hit,) I really hate when he plays Cass tbh, it's like he knows the champ is strong, tries to make her work, and just fails so hard. Sure he has those occasional games where he does well but overall (or maybe I just watch the bad cassi games but I doubt it) he seems weak on her compared to other AP Mids

On February 11 2012 08:27 DoXa wrote:
On February 11 2012 08:21 Treadmill wrote:
Oh, Regi isn't god mode in teamfights with Cass but in lane he's a monster. Lose games, yes, I've seen that with his Cass - but I don't think I've ever seen him lose lane with her.


meh, i think fizz doesnt do well vs cassio and she's is a very good laning champ overall.
it just doesn't get to me why people consider regi so good at her. Ocelote or Froggen can play her at the same level imo, Oce maybe even better

I think they are both way better with her than Regi is.

o.o I haven't really seen him lose much with Cass (like at all).. people are even banning cass against him


He might not lose lane much, but his ults leave something to be desired.

It's still not as bad as Rainman's irelia.
liftlift > tsm
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 02:39:18
February 11 2012 02:38 GMT
#2919
How reliable are the side portraits of your allies for seeing how much health they have. When I support as Soraka I can either guess when they need a Wish by seeing if there is more than one enemy on the mini map near an ally, look directly at the situation (at the cost of lane awareness) or use the side portraits. The portraits seem the best, but when I first started to play I remember them being really unreliable showing lvl 2 characters a few minutes past when they were lvl 2. It seems more reliable nowdays, but I'm still distrustful. Also it doesn't work during Nocturne ult apparently.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
February 11 2012 02:40 GMT
#2920
Nautilus revealed. I like him already
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Prev 1 144 145 146 147 148 176 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 21m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 254
PiLiPiLi 4
EnDerr 1
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 431
Sexy 49
NaDa 31
Leta 26
Noble 18
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm101
canceldota27
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 599
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0305
Other Games
summit1g14434
fl0m648
WinterStarcraft410
ViBE173
Trikslyr68
kaitlyn33
ToD16
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick884
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 108
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki33
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22294
League of Legends
• Doublelift4785
• Rush1019
Other Games
• Scarra1347
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
4h 21m
Classic vs MaxPax
SHIN vs Reynor
herO vs Maru
WardiTV Korean Royale
8h 51m
SC Evo League
9h 21m
IPSL
13h 51m
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
13h 51m
BSL 21
16h 51m
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
1d 4h
Wardi Open
1d 10h
IPSL
1d 16h
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
1d 16h
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
[ Show More ]
OSC
1d 19h
OSC
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.