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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 07 2012 20:22 GMT
#2041
Looks like SK vs TSM is about to start.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
February 07 2012 20:43 GMT
#2042
Did I miss something in the Ziggs patch notes that makes all the AD players go for 3x DBlade + Wriggle's Lantern these days?

There was a time 4-5 months ago where everybody build Wriggle's even though the lane wasn't that hard. Then people stopped that and went for a more team fight oriented build with only 1-2 DBlade and an early BF item rush.

And now we seem to be back to stack 2, mostly 3 DBlade + Wriggle's which I don't really get since it delays your main build a lot, especially when you are not far ahead.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
February 07 2012 20:44 GMT
#2043
On February 08 2012 05:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
IKR. I mean, I most CERTAINLY did NOT spend an entire night arguing volibear was a very good pick much to the laughter of everyone in the forum. I mean geeeeez.


Seriously, anything nerfed must be total and complete shit obviously
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 20:48:22
February 07 2012 20:45 GMT
#2044
On February 08 2012 05:43 little fancy wrote:
Did I miss something in the Ziggs patch notes that makes all the AD players go for 3x DBlade + Wriggle's Lantern these days?

There was a time 4-5 months ago where everybody build Wriggle's even though the lane wasn't that hard. Then people stopped that and went for a more team fight oriented build with only 1-2 DBlade and an early BF item rush.

And now we seem to be back to stack 2, mostly 3 DBlade + Wriggle's which I don't really get since it delays your main build a lot, especially when you are not far ahead.


It was a EU trend that crossed over, it's about focusing on being very strong early and mid game rather than maxing out in the late game, ideally you use the early advantages to get ahead to a point where you either end the game or can transition out of it


IE: My 3 dorans will beat your BF sword
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
February 07 2012 20:46 GMT
#2045
On February 08 2012 05:45 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 05:43 little fancy wrote:
Did I miss something in the Ziggs patch notes that makes all the AD players go for 3x DBlade + Wriggle's Lantern these days?

There was a time 4-5 months ago where everybody build Wriggle's even though the lane wasn't that hard. Then people stopped that and went for a more team fight oriented build with only 1-2 DBlade and an early BF item rush.

And now we seem to be back to stack 2, mostly 3 DBlade + Wriggle's which I don't really get since it delays your main build a lot, especially when you are not far ahead.


It was a EU trend that crossed over, it's about focusing on being very strong early and mid game rather than maxing out in the late game, ideally you use the early advantages to get ahead to a point where you either end the game or can transition out of it


Yep. Genja played it with success in Kiev. Chaox picked it up. It pretty much snowballed from there.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
February 07 2012 20:50 GMT
#2046
On February 08 2012 05:44 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 05:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
IKR. I mean, I most CERTAINLY did NOT spend an entire night arguing volibear was a very good pick much to the laughter of everyone in the forum. I mean geeeeez.


Seriously, anything nerfed must be total and complete shit obviously

Then people should stop playing lee sin his damage is trash now.
boomer hands
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 07 2012 20:50 GMT
#2047
Personally I think the build sucks. Like mega sucks.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 07 2012 20:55 GMT
#2048
On February 08 2012 05:44 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 05:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
IKR. I mean, I most CERTAINLY did NOT spend an entire night arguing volibear was a very good pick much to the laughter of everyone in the forum. I mean geeeeez.


Seriously, anything nerfed must be total and complete shit obviously

Did he even get nerfed? I feel like his changes were a combination of nerfs and buffs that made him more rounded.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
February 07 2012 21:07 GMT
#2049
On February 08 2012 05:55 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 05:44 NotSorry wrote:
On February 08 2012 05:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
IKR. I mean, I most CERTAINLY did NOT spend an entire night arguing volibear was a very good pick much to the laughter of everyone in the forum. I mean geeeeez.


Seriously, anything nerfed must be total and complete shit obviously

Did he even get nerfed? I feel like his changes were a combination of nerfs and buffs that made him more rounded.

Rounded as in weaker? I mean, last 2-3 changes were all clear nerfs.
currently rooting for myself.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
February 07 2012 21:11 GMT
#2050
Rounded down for sure
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 07 2012 21:23 GMT
#2051
Being able to use Q to run away is a nerf?
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 07 2012 21:24 GMT
#2052
TOO getting totally owned by this Shyvanna right now. He's gotten maybe 1 buff all game. Wow.
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Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 21:46:15
February 07 2012 21:44 GMT
#2053
You should get ionic spark on voli so people will be confused as to whether you're using your ult :p


On February 08 2012 06:23 starfries wrote:
Being able to use Q to run away is a nerf?

Explain!?
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 21:55:25
February 07 2012 21:53 GMT
#2054
Volibear's buffs were pretty meh. Q got a tiny damage buff but no one cares and it doesn't scale. E got a substantial damage buff but no one cares because you level it last and 40 more damage at level 18 is meaningless. By contrast he lost 25% of his scaling on his nuke and about as much base damage on it as he gained elsewhere, so the net effect is simply nerfed scaling and nerfed base damage early game (because you can only level 1 ability at a time). The Q thing gives him better ability to escape a soft gank but IMO it's really not as great as simply killing crap.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21584 Posts
February 07 2012 21:55 GMT
#2055
To be honest the damage on bite at release was pretty absurd. the nerf to it wasnt totaly undeserved and its still damn good.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 22:03:34
February 07 2012 22:00 GMT
#2056
Someone dies to minion on TOO's stream. No champion/turret/assist nothing. Minion kill.

And he's in full form right now. Uses pot to "stay healfy" and decides they should rename pots milk. Everyone in the house screaming as he duels in river and barely survives.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 07 2012 22:01 GMT
#2057
On February 08 2012 06:53 phyvo wrote:
Volibear's buffs were pretty meh. Q got a tiny damage buff but no one cares and it doesn't scale. E got a substantial damage buff but no one cares because you level it last and 40 more damage at level 18 is meaningless. By contrast he lost 25% of his scaling on his nuke and about as much base damage on it as he gained elsewhere, so the net effect is simply nerfed scaling and nerfed base damage early game (because you can only level 1 ability at a time). The Q thing gives him better ability to escape a soft gank but IMO it's really not as great as simply killing crap.

Your doing it wrong.

Jungle voli, according to T_D (ripped shamelessly from SV):

9-21-0, runes optional, either run your WW runes or Udyr runes.

Boots+3, open with q for invade, e for faster jungling. Open red for a fast gank, blue for faster farm. e-q-w-e E>W>Q.

Ganking (his strong point) press q, then flip them over, press e, kill them. If you arent gonna reach with q, press e in range to slow before the flip, catch them, then kill them.

Build: Wriggles, Wits, tanky.

Your welcome.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
arnath
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1317 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 22:12:33
February 07 2012 22:12 GMT
#2058
I don't normally really enjoy watching TheOddOne's stream but it's pretty hilarious to see how afraid he is of losing a 1200 level EU west game.
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
February 07 2012 22:29 GMT
#2059
Btw I remember seeing voli calculations when he first came out. Assuming he sticks to his target and had some attack speed his ult basically added like 2k damage to one target. Bite was OP as fuck and nerf was deserved if even too little.

On February 08 2012 07:00 mordek wrote:
Someone dies to minion on TOO's stream. No champion/turret/assist nothing. Minion kill.

And he's in full form right now. Uses pot to "stay healfy" and decides they should rename pots milk. Everyone in the house screaming as he duels in river and barely survives.

Announcer Lady:"Humiliation"
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
February 07 2012 22:53 GMT
#2060
On February 08 2012 06:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
You should get ionic spark on voli so people will be confused as to whether you're using your ult :p


Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 06:23 starfries wrote:
Being able to use Q to run away is a nerf?

Explain!?

that was a sarcastic response to the people who think Volibear's changes were straight up nerfs just because you can't auto win the lane with W spam


On an unrelated note, are there any champions for which boots of swiftness are a viable choice?
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
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