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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
February 07 2012 22:58 GMT
#2061
Garen is about the only champ that I can think of that gets boots of swiftness.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 07 2012 23:00 GMT
#2062
This has nothing to do with LoL or anything that we're talking about, but what the fuck, is that Felicia Day on Day[9]'s stream?
It's your boy Guzma!
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 07 2012 23:00 GMT
#2063
On February 08 2012 08:00 Requizen wrote:
This has nothing to do with LoL or anything that we're talking about, but what the fuck, is that Felicia Day on Day[9]'s stream?

yes
eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
February 07 2012 23:01 GMT
#2064
there ok on ashe but serkers are better for less moneys
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9823 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 23:07:26
February 07 2012 23:04 GMT
#2065
Sometimes I take swiftness on janna along with double ms masteries and ms quints. It's the funnest thing ever, even if my AD doesn't want to play sivir.

+ Show Spoiler +
janna's told me multiple times to build it, i have to oblige her
boomer hands
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 07 2012 23:04 GMT
#2066
Anivia
Hey! Listen!
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
February 07 2012 23:13 GMT
#2067
On February 08 2012 08:04 seRapH wrote:
Sometimes I take swiftness on janna along with double ms masteries and ms quints. It's the funnest thing ever, even if my AD doesn't want to play sivir.

+ Show Spoiler +
janna's told me multiple times to build it, i have to oblige her

But why would you go for swifties when you could go boots of mobility?
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9823 Posts
February 07 2012 23:16 GMT
#2068
On February 08 2012 08:13 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 08:04 seRapH wrote:
Sometimes I take swiftness on janna along with double ms masteries and ms quints. It's the funnest thing ever, even if my AD doesn't want to play sivir.

+ Show Spoiler +
janna's told me multiple times to build it, i have to oblige her

But why would you go for swifties when you could go boots of mobility?

1) Janna says to
2) Because I like to zoom around in the middle of a fight
boomer hands
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 23:33:02
February 07 2012 23:32 GMT
#2069
Anyone actually know how you are supposed to jungle mundo? Im kind of guessing at this point and I dun like it.

The guessing i mean.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 07 2012 23:34 GMT
#2070
On February 08 2012 08:32 Two_DoWn wrote:
Anyone actually know how you are supposed to jungle mundo? Im kind of guessing at this point and I dun like it.

The guessing i mean.

Vampirical + spellvamp quints.
The legend of Darien lives on
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 07 2012 23:41 GMT
#2071
i hear spellvamp quints OP on mundo, pretty lolsy.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 23:43:40
February 07 2012 23:42 GMT
#2072
Yeah, definitely Vamp Scepter. EQEW into R -> E -> Q -> W

I find you don't need to build the Vamp Scepter into anything, the 12% lifesteal + your passive + your ultimate after 6 is all the sustain you need for the jungle.

I don't like going too heavy into lifesteal on Mundo because you are already so reliant on self-healing and healing reductions are already so powerful against you that it seems like a terrible idea to further your reliance on self-healing.
I am the Town Medic.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 07 2012 23:44 GMT
#2073
On February 08 2012 08:42 Alzadar wrote:
Yeah, definitely Vamp Scepter. EQEW into R -> E -> Q -> W

I find you don't need to build the Vamp Scepter into anything, the 12% lifesteal + your passive + your ultimate after 6 is all the sustain you need for the jungle.

I don't like going too heavy into lifesteal on Mundo because you are already so reliant on self-healing and healing reductions are already so powerful against you that it seems like a terrible idea to further your reliance on self-healing.

More like WEWQ if you have spellvamp quints. AoE da shit out of the small camps.
The legend of Darien lives on
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9823 Posts
February 07 2012 23:46 GMT
#2074
You get 2 levels in W? I've been putting all my points into E. But I don't have spellvamp quints and run boots so idk might be different.
boomer hands
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-07 23:55:34
February 07 2012 23:54 GMT
#2075
On February 08 2012 08:42 Alzadar wrote:
Yeah, definitely Vamp Scepter. EQEW into R -> E -> Q -> W

I find you don't need to build the Vamp Scepter into anything, the 12% lifesteal + your passive + your ultimate after 6 is all the sustain you need for the jungle.

I don't like going too heavy into lifesteal on Mundo because you are already so reliant on self-healing and healing reductions are already so powerful against you that it seems like a terrible idea to further your reliance on self-healing.

W at level 1 for sure. The damage is a whole rank ahead of Shyvana's W at all levels.

I don't think you can really fully map out jungle Mundo's skill order. It's like with jungle Cho'gath: Cho'gath's E is definitely the best skill for jungling, but you really just want to get as much of it as you need to feel comfortable with your speed, and after that skill Q and W for actual ganking/teamfighting.

The same thing applies with Mundo. After you get W and E at level 1 and 2, you get as much W as you need to feel comfortable with your farming speed (usually 2-3 ranks), and then max Q for ganks/teamfights. Mid-lategame skill priority is R>Q>E>W, just as you would do in lane.
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Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
February 07 2012 23:58 GMT
#2076
On February 08 2012 07:58 BlackMagister wrote:
Garen is about the only champ that I can think of that gets boots of swiftness.


Anivia as well
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 08 2012 00:03 GMT
#2077
I'm not sure +20 movespeed is worth losing a 5-17% damage increase, even on Anivia.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 08 2012 00:16 GMT
#2078
Anivia is one of the slowest champions in the game
She is also perhaps the champion that gains the most from being able to reposition herself correctly, as her slows and wall synergize immensely with additional movespeed
But nowadays everyone and their brother has a repositioning of some sort so theyre not as instabuy as they used to be
Hey! Listen!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 01:10:08
February 08 2012 01:09 GMT
#2079
On February 08 2012 08:54 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 08:42 Alzadar wrote:
Yeah, definitely Vamp Scepter. EQEW into R -> E -> Q -> W

I find you don't need to build the Vamp Scepter into anything, the 12% lifesteal + your passive + your ultimate after 6 is all the sustain you need for the jungle.

I don't like going too heavy into lifesteal on Mundo because you are already so reliant on self-healing and healing reductions are already so powerful against you that it seems like a terrible idea to further your reliance on self-healing.

W at level 1 for sure. The damage is a whole rank ahead of Shyvana's W at all levels.

I don't think you can really fully map out jungle Mundo's skill order. It's like with jungle Cho'gath: Cho'gath's E is definitely the best skill for jungling, but you really just want to get as much of it as you need to feel comfortable with your speed, and after that skill Q and W for actual ganking/teamfighting.

The same thing applies with Mundo. After you get W and E at level 1 and 2, you get as much W as you need to feel comfortable with your farming speed (usually 2-3 ranks), and then max Q for ganks/teamfights. Mid-lategame skill priority is R>Q>E>W, just as you would do in lane.


I find jungle cho's skill order is pretty set, the clearspeed difference maxing E first is dramatic, and in a gank/group fight you are definitely going to be hitting a lot of autos. In lane it makes more sense to harass with your ranged spells, plus they let you just explode a wave of creeps without risk, but max E just like... does more for jungle cho. He just doesn't spend that much time harassing on a 13 second cooldown as a jungler.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 01:30:57
February 08 2012 01:27 GMT
#2080
On February 08 2012 07:53 starfries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 06:44 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
You should get ionic spark on voli so people will be confused as to whether you're using your ult :p


On February 08 2012 06:23 starfries wrote:
Being able to use Q to run away is a nerf?

Explain!?

that was a sarcastic response to the people who think Volibear's changes were straight up nerfs just because you can't auto win the lane with W spam


On an unrelated note, are there any champions for which boots of swiftness are a viable choice?

1. Oh I thought they were talking about lee sin fly kicking his allies.
2. I know blitzcrank builds it a lot. He probably only gains a bit from that item. I wouldn't build it on him either tho :/
Singed also builds it.. again don't agree

Completely unrelated: I want to see a full fire theme team like annie, brand, fire wukong (must get at least 2 sunfire capes)etc..
a full lightning team, olaf, kennen, volibear (must get at least 2 ionic sparks)
a full ice team sejuani, ashe, nunu, anivia (must get at least 2 frozen heart/mallets)
being used in a scrim :p
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