EPT[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 91
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:50 arnath wrote: I haven't played in a really long time (since the Xerath patch). I used to jungle a lot. Does anybody know of an up-to-date general jungling guide (e.g., what are the currently effective junglers/jungle paths, etc)? I didn't see one on TSM or any of the threads here. You can check out up to date tier lists at Reign http://rog.clgaming.net/tier-lists/46-jungle/latest | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:50 arnath wrote: I haven't played in a really long time (since the Xerath patch). I used to jungle a lot. Does anybody know of an up-to-date general jungling guide (e.g., what are the currently effective junglers/jungle paths, etc)? I didn't see one on TSM or any of the threads here. jungling paths are a lot more flexible now. If you wanted to, you could pretty much start anywhere and it would probably be fine. Also red starts are a lot more common now, especially on manaless champs. | ||
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arnath
United States1317 Posts
Also, what are the new respawn timers for small camps? | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:44 sob3k wrote: I've jungled Kayle quite a bit and i think she's honestly total shit as a jungler, her range is just too damn small, gank potential basically nonexistant. You end up squishy if you try to get your clear speed any good and just get blown up in fights because of the tiny range. Late game the ult shield becomes really crazy good, but she's just a bad pick for jungle. Clears way slower than Shyvanna and with way less gank and teamfight potential if you're going for AOE and fast clears. If you think about her kit really she's just a crappy rearranged version of nocturne Yeah I agree kayle isn't the best jungler. I've watched stonewall jungle udyr. Small camps have a minute long timer. | ||
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:03 arnath wrote: I did, but I'm more curious about jungle paths than specific heroes. Also, I watched some of the IEM Kiev VODs and they don't seem to reflect Stonewall's thoughts completely. For example, Udyr was only banned/picked in a very small number of games whereas Rammus was banned or picked almost every game. Also, what are the new respawn timers for small camps? This is because Rammus is stronger than Udyr. I wouldn't take everything Stonewall says as gospel truth, but it's a good place to start. Small camps are one minute from the last minion kill. Buffs are five. Drag six. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:13 Terranasaur wrote: This is because Rammus is stronger than Udyr. I wouldn't take everything Stonewall says as gospel truth, but it's a good place to start. Small camps are one minute from the last minion kill. Buffs are five. Drag six. Baron is 7. As jungler it's your role to keep track of all the objectives.. even though I think it's more the supports job to keep track of baron if not dragon  Stonewall is only talking about a champion's ability to be a jungler (clear speed, counterjungle, ganking, etc...). Come late game Rammus is a better tank than udyr and Kayle is a better aoe dps than Rammus. I wouldn't listen to Elementz at all, he put Shyvana at the bottom of tier 5 from what I hear. He doesn't have a cool chart or full game vods of some of the junglers either like Stonewall does. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:50 Zhiroo wrote: Unfortunately no, our AD Carry Ashe was just as bad... she rushed PD and BV and no IE... Oh well stuff happens :D It's weird but I've seen that trend a lot at low level play. AD carries get like 2-3 Doran's and then rush Zeal before a major damage item. Sometimes they'll rush PD before getting a BF sword item too. I don't understand why they do it, maybe like one or two games they could do it and they'd realize they do zero damage if they get Zeal before a BF sword item but eventually they'd have to recognize, "shit I do zero damage building zeal first." I asked someone who did this why they rushed Zeal first and their response was, "I can back door easier." | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
needless to say we got steamrolled, but it was still awesome playing vs a pro team. gg edit: here's the game recorded from tree eskimo's stream http://www.own3d.tv/TreeEskimo#/watch/409793 | ||
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seRapH
United States9808 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:30 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Baron is 7. As jungler it's your role to keep track of all the objectives.. even though I think it's more the supports job to keep track of baron if not dragon Technically anyone could. Some people are more in habit of doing it than others. The hardest thing about timers is keeping them while you're fighting by dragon/baron etc | ||
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fantasticoranges
1327 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:37 overt wrote: It's weird but I've seen that trend a lot at low level play. AD carries get like 2-3 Doran's and then rush Zeal before a major damage item. Sometimes they'll rush PD before getting a BF sword item too. I don't understand why they do it, maybe like one or two games they could do it and they'd realize they do zero damage if they get Zeal before a BF sword item but eventually they'd have to recognize, "shit I do zero damage building zeal first." I asked someone who did this why they rushed Zeal first and their response was, "I can back door easier." Because when you think about it from a "what looks cooler perspective" the guy shooting 2 a second > the guy who shoots one even if your 2 don't do anything and the 1 takes off 1/4th of your hp it's like oh man dude i'm getting shot at so much gotta play them mind games | ||
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Craton
United States17296 Posts
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:47 Craton wrote: Attack speed "feels" better compared to having a long wind up. As you get better you learn how to maximize your damage more effectively. If I went on leaguecraft, I could probably prove that zeal after 3 doran's blade provides ashe more %dps increase at level 8 for the gold than IE after 3 doran's at level 10. But I do agree that IE is better since you're often doing hit and run in lane and in the first fight. I also like the psychological effect of your opponents knowing you have crit. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:44 sob3k wrote: I've jungled Kayle quite a bit and i think she's honestly total shit as a jungler, her range is just too damn small, gank potential basically nonexistant. You end up squishy if you try to get your clear speed any good and just get blown up in fights because of the tiny range. Late game the ult shield becomes really crazy good, but she's just a bad pick for jungle. Clears way slower than Shyvanna and with way less gank and teamfight potential if you're going for AOE and fast clears. If you think about her kit really she's just a crappy rearranged version of nocturne I'm not sure why you think her clear speeds are so bad. What runes/masteries/starting item are you using? I also haven't found her ganks to be weak. | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:15 emperorchampion wrote: djWHEAT and co are so bad hahaha We need Tyler to show them what's up. Too bad he won't re-install :D | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I haven't really see a Shyvanna fail up till now. But they never tried it alone, so let's call it bias (never had one on my team). | ||
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Craton
United States17296 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:55 sob3k wrote: You can check out up to date tier lists at Reign I was kinda hoping this list wouldn't get reposted. It's pretty terrible. On January 24 2012 10:03 arnath wrote: I did, but I'm more curious about jungle paths than specific heroes. Also, I watched some of the IEM Kiev VODs and they don't seem to reflect Stonewall's thoughts completely. For example, Udyr was only banned/picked in a very small number of games whereas Rammus was banned or picked almost every game. Also, what are the new respawn timers for small camps? Wraith 0:55 Wolves/Golems 1:00 | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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