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On January 24 2012 06:11 57 Corvette wrote:
Gtrsrs, you going to be updating the Galio thread? Don't think the OP has been changed since his ult got the damage reduction buff a while back
no, galio is too boring to be assed to play haha
even if he's OP and free elo he's just not fun
we can close that thread and let yiruru make one, he's a much better galio anyway
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On January 24 2012 06:15 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 05:32 Slayer91 wrote:On January 24 2012 05:18 JackDino wrote:On January 24 2012 05:03 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 04:48 Shiv. wrote:
a) Gangplank can farm just fine against her and personally, I think his scaling is scarier than Irelia's. Riven, Trynd, Trundle, Udyr should work, too.
to nitpick you definitely don't want to take trundle against irelia. he won't lose the lane but he has 0% chance to kill her if they are equally skilled players without heavy jungle intervention (and for what champ is that not also true) and even though farmed trundle is good, he's not even in the same league as irelia. also even though udyr is a go-to champ that beats a lot of top lanes, irelia is quite strong against him. i would not pick udyr against irelia ever if i could avoid it. Trundle lets you instagib irelia tho, or anybody else. All that means is that tanks can't be as brave against trundle, nothing to do with irelia. Ehh, it has to do with Irelia (and also Udyr, Cho'gath, etc.) because her survivability items are primarily resist-based. Trundle primarily punishes tanks whose kits make their itemization favor resists over HP, because the resist steal is percentage-based while the health steal is flat. As such Warmogs-based tanks are much stronger against Trundle. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 200/200 armor/MR and 2000 HP is huge. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 70/70 armor/MR and 4000 HP is much less impactful.
trundle's ult is one of the most underwhelming in the game because it can't do anything by itself. you can ult irelia but you can't hold her in place long enough to kill her because of her passive
jackdino just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, it's not even worth it to defend such a flawed view
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I have a serious question that comes up when playing ranked on my lower ELO acct
I often end up mid playing great early game kill champs such as LB and Sion (or even normal mids like Viktor and Xerath) and sometimes I get matched up with opponents like Kennen/Vlad or Nidalee with blue, who play very safe and have huge sustain. If I dont pull off a very early kill they become pretty much impossible to kill or move out of lane. Now I can lane against them all day long and come out with more CS probably, but this is not what I want to be doing with my mid at this ELO. I want to be going around killing people and carrying my terrible team to viktory.
I just feel like I get totally locked into this unprofitable mid lane and cant leave because the jungler never ganks and wont cover the lane, so I end up 60 CS up and 0/0/0 after 20 minutes while bot and top lane feed and we lose the game.
Should I just go fuck it and leave the lane and lose mid tower? Berate the terrible jungle? I just don't really know what to do. How bad IS losing mid tower?
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On January 24 2012 06:17 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:11 57 Corvette wrote:
Gtrsrs, you going to be updating the Galio thread? Don't think the OP has been changed since his ult got the damage reduction buff a while back no, galio is too boring to be assed to play haha even if he's OP and free elo he's just not fun we can close that thread and let yiruru make one, he's a much better galio anyway
I think Neo wants to close all champion threads and just have discussion threads for specific roles, as he said that the Solomid etc. guides are always up to date and well written. Maybe the champ threads will remain open to discuss the heroes but the guides do not have to be updated anymore.
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On January 24 2012 06:19 sob3k wrote:
I have a serious question that comes up when playing ranked on my lower ELO acct
I often end up mid playing great early game kill champs such as LB and Sion (or even normal mids like Viktor and Xerath) and sometimes I get matched up with opponents like Kennen/Vlad or Nidalee with blue, who play very safe and have huge sustain. If I dont pull off a very early kill they become pretty much impossible to kill or move out of lane. Now I can lane against them all day long and come out with more CS probably, but this is not what I want to be doing with my mid at this ELO. I want to be going around killing people and carrying my terrible team to viktory.
I just feel like I get totally locked into this unprofitable mid lane and cant leave because the jungler never ganks and wont cover the lane, so I end up 60 CS up and 0/0/0 after 20 minutes while bot and top lane feed and we lose the game.
Should I just go fuck it and leave the lane and lose mid tower? Berate the terrible jungle? I just don't really know what to do. How bad IS losing mid tower?
650 global gold and you can't safely cs, and can get zoned out by a better farmed enemy mid (if they're skilled) who may ward the river on both sides. Call your jungler if you need them to watch your lane for you to go back. It's also far easier for the enemy team to win a teamfight and take your mid inhib for it since most fights break out near mid. Some people will say it's worth it.
If you push up your lane against a lb, she probably won't get to your tower by the time you've finished a gank.
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On January 24 2012 06:27 Xedat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:17 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 06:11 57 Corvette wrote:
Gtrsrs, you going to be updating the Galio thread? Don't think the OP has been changed since his ult got the damage reduction buff a while back no, galio is too boring to be assed to play haha even if he's OP and free elo he's just not fun we can close that thread and let yiruru make one, he's a much better galio anyway I think Neo wants to close all champion threads and just have discussion threads for specific roles, as he said that the Solomid etc. guides are always up to date and well written. Maybe the champ threads will remain open to discuss the heroes but the guides do not have to be updated anymore.
Partly correct.
I don't want all the Champion threads closed. It's up to the OP's perogative to update his thread's OP if he wants. I'm no longer nitpicking people to do so.
gtr, with his Galio experience, can continue to share insight on that champion in the Galio thread for sure. Just a quick rundown of Runes, Masteries, Items, and how to lane, etc. He doesn't have to make it fancy or overly thorough.
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On January 24 2012 06:27 Xedat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:17 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 06:11 57 Corvette wrote:
Gtrsrs, you going to be updating the Galio thread? Don't think the OP has been changed since his ult got the damage reduction buff a while back no, galio is too boring to be assed to play haha even if he's OP and free elo he's just not fun we can close that thread and let yiruru make one, he's a much better galio anyway I think Neo wants to close all champion threads and just have discussion threads for specific roles, as he said that the Solomid etc. guides are always up to date and well written. Maybe the champ threads will remain open to discuss the heroes but the guides do not have to be updated anymore.
I don't really like this idea very much. I think that the quality of information found in the TL Champion threads is generally much higher than the information found on Solomid. The only weakness in our champion threads is that some of them don't get the OP's updated very often. Many of them are updated frequently (The Pantheon and Jarman threads for example) but some aren't.
The roles thread idea is awesome and needed, in my opinion. But so are champ threads. We just need to be more diligent about keeping them up to date.
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On January 24 2012 06:41 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:27 Xedat wrote:On January 24 2012 06:17 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 06:11 57 Corvette wrote:
Gtrsrs, you going to be updating the Galio thread? Don't think the OP has been changed since his ult got the damage reduction buff a while back no, galio is too boring to be assed to play haha even if he's OP and free elo he's just not fun we can close that thread and let yiruru make one, he's a much better galio anyway I think Neo wants to close all champion threads and just have discussion threads for specific roles, as he said that the Solomid etc. guides are always up to date and well written. Maybe the champ threads will remain open to discuss the heroes but the guides do not have to be updated anymore. I don't really like this idea very much. I think that the quality of information found in the TL Champion threads is generally much higher than the information found on Solomid. The only weakness in our champion threads is that some of them don't get the OP's updated very often. Many of them are updated frequently (The Pantheon and Jarman threads for example) but some aren't. The roles thread idea is awesome and needed, in my opinion. But so are champ threads. We just need to be more diligent about keeping them up to date.
Again, OP update, really not needed. Not worth the energy imo.
You can always PM anyone (not just the thread author) to go back into the Champ thread to give a brief update. With that bump, people can restart discussion of said champion, if anything has changed.
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Right. I usually jump to the last page of a champ discussion thread when looking for the most recent information. I really don't want to see that kind of discussion going away. It is very nice to be able to discuss different matchups and things in those threads and go into depth not usually available on Solimid.
Its also nice when you have been doing something stupid to hear it from TL people and not randoms. I dunno, I just take you guys more seriously.
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Why can you not switch your champion with every summoner? What exactly are the rules there?
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I think what Neo is trying to say is: "What kind of content does TL want to produce?" We can never compete head-to-head with sites like LoLWiki or Solomid directly because their crowdsourcing draws from a much larger base than ours does. However, TL does have incredibly strong niches such as signature champions (hai Panth, Jarmander, etc.) and match-up/lane experts. If someone has a champion thread they basically "own", then great. It's a fantastic resource for all of us. But for other champions (say, Nasus, top lane Vlad, etc.?) it might be better to rely on the general TL community wisdom which can be imparted though more generalised threads such as the "how to top lane in general" thread. That's because there's not necessarily enough "good stuff" for a dedicated thread for each champion/match-up but there is for a more holistic thread.
On January 24 2012 06:49 Keniji wrote:
Why can you not switch your champion with every summoner? What exactly are the rules there?
They have to own the champion as well.
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On January 24 2012 06:19 sob3k wrote:I often end up mid playing great early game kill champs such as LB and Sion (or even normal mids like Viktor and Xerath) and sometimes I get matched up with opponents like Kennen/Vlad or Nidalee with blue, who play very safe and have huge sustain. If I dont pull off a very early kill they become pretty much impossible to kill or move out of lane. Now I can lane against them all day long and come out with more CS probably, but this is not what I want to be doing with my mid at this ELO. I want to be going around killing people and carrying my terrible team to viktory.
I just feel like I get totally locked into this unprofitable mid lane and cant leave because the jungler never ganks and wont cover the lane, so I end up 60 CS up and 0/0/0 after 20 minutes while bot and top lane feed and we lose the game.
Should I just go fuck it and leave the lane and lose mid tower? Berate the terrible jungle? I just don't really know what to do. How bad IS losing mid tower?
Push your lane as best you can, then recall back. Depends exactly who you are and playing against though... for example, it's not exactly easy to push your lane against Leblanc after a point. It's a somewhat common feeling, I've had games where I could murder Malz but my jungler just lets him perma push without punishing him.
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I think it would be ok if we just had OPs with basic information (abilities, patch changes) and links to quality posts in the thread, not necessarily a full guide. I go for the discussion anyways, usually not the guide.
Also, since there's no Wukong thread, how do you generally lane against him? I've never really gotten destroyed by one but I don't know what I should be doing, so I just wing it. Is it better to wait for him to jump on me, or get aggressive on him? It's probably matchup dependent so let's pretend I'm playing Irelia or GP.
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Yeah, if I'm having a problem with a certain matchup, I'd still accept advice from someone who plays the problem champion, or someone experienced in the same role (knows how to lane against the problem champ). However most champion thread readers are (surprise!) people who focus on playing that champion.
Champion threads are best suited for guides/builds tho.
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On January 24 2012 06:19 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:15 TheYango wrote:On January 24 2012 05:32 Slayer91 wrote:On January 24 2012 05:18 JackDino wrote:On January 24 2012 05:03 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 04:48 Shiv. wrote:
a) Gangplank can farm just fine against her and personally, I think his scaling is scarier than Irelia's. Riven, Trynd, Trundle, Udyr should work, too.
to nitpick you definitely don't want to take trundle against irelia. he won't lose the lane but he has 0% chance to kill her if they are equally skilled players without heavy jungle intervention (and for what champ is that not also true) and even though farmed trundle is good, he's not even in the same league as irelia. also even though udyr is a go-to champ that beats a lot of top lanes, irelia is quite strong against him. i would not pick udyr against irelia ever if i could avoid it. Trundle lets you instagib irelia tho, or anybody else. All that means is that tanks can't be as brave against trundle, nothing to do with irelia. Ehh, it has to do with Irelia (and also Udyr, Cho'gath, etc.) because her survivability items are primarily resist-based. Trundle primarily punishes tanks whose kits make their itemization favor resists over HP, because the resist steal is percentage-based while the health steal is flat. As such Warmogs-based tanks are much stronger against Trundle. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 200/200 armor/MR and 2000 HP is huge. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 70/70 armor/MR and 4000 HP is much less impactful. trundle's ult is one of the most underwhelming in the game because it can't do anything by itself. you can ult irelia but you can't hold her in place long enough to kill her because of her passive jackdino just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, it's not even worth it to defend such a flawed view
Maybe I'm missing something here, but what Ult does things by itself? A Galio ult won't do much if none of your teammates follow up. I mean, yeah, it's a less obvious or fancy ultimate, but it can change the tides of a teamfight for sure. You just have to make sure you're on the same page as your team, and writing a sentence or two before a teamfight might ensure just that.
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On January 24 2012 07:13 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:19 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 06:15 TheYango wrote:On January 24 2012 05:32 Slayer91 wrote:On January 24 2012 05:18 JackDino wrote:On January 24 2012 05:03 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 04:48 Shiv. wrote:
a) Gangplank can farm just fine against her and personally, I think his scaling is scarier than Irelia's. Riven, Trynd, Trundle, Udyr should work, too.
to nitpick you definitely don't want to take trundle against irelia. he won't lose the lane but he has 0% chance to kill her if they are equally skilled players without heavy jungle intervention (and for what champ is that not also true) and even though farmed trundle is good, he's not even in the same league as irelia. also even though udyr is a go-to champ that beats a lot of top lanes, irelia is quite strong against him. i would not pick udyr against irelia ever if i could avoid it. Trundle lets you instagib irelia tho, or anybody else. All that means is that tanks can't be as brave against trundle, nothing to do with irelia. Ehh, it has to do with Irelia (and also Udyr, Cho'gath, etc.) because her survivability items are primarily resist-based. Trundle primarily punishes tanks whose kits make their itemization favor resists over HP, because the resist steal is percentage-based while the health steal is flat. As such Warmogs-based tanks are much stronger against Trundle. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 200/200 armor/MR and 2000 HP is huge. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 70/70 armor/MR and 4000 HP is much less impactful. trundle's ult is one of the most underwhelming in the game because it can't do anything by itself. you can ult irelia but you can't hold her in place long enough to kill her because of her passive jackdino just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, it's not even worth it to defend such a flawed view Maybe I'm missing something here, but what Ult does things by itself? A Galio ult won't do much if none of your teammates follow up. I mean, yeah, it's a less obvious or fancy ultimate, but it can change the tides of a teamfight for sure. You just have to make sure you're on the same page as your team, and writing a sentence or two before a teamfight might ensure just that.
Well, sure, but I think what guitar means is that Trundle's ult is much more underwhelming and game breaking than other ults. I mean, sure, Galio ult or Kennen ult probably won't win a fight straight out with no team support, but they're definitely game-breaking and can change a tide of a teamfight. Trundle's ult is much less game-breaking and influential in comparison to some other ultimates.
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Lots of ults do something by themself, e.g. mage ults can gib people. Trundle ult just facilitates him being able to run into a team without dying instantly.
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On January 24 2012 07:13 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 06:19 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 06:15 TheYango wrote:On January 24 2012 05:32 Slayer91 wrote:On January 24 2012 05:18 JackDino wrote:On January 24 2012 05:03 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 04:48 Shiv. wrote:
a) Gangplank can farm just fine against her and personally, I think his scaling is scarier than Irelia's. Riven, Trynd, Trundle, Udyr should work, too.
to nitpick you definitely don't want to take trundle against irelia. he won't lose the lane but he has 0% chance to kill her if they are equally skilled players without heavy jungle intervention (and for what champ is that not also true) and even though farmed trundle is good, he's not even in the same league as irelia. also even though udyr is a go-to champ that beats a lot of top lanes, irelia is quite strong against him. i would not pick udyr against irelia ever if i could avoid it. Trundle lets you instagib irelia tho, or anybody else. All that means is that tanks can't be as brave against trundle, nothing to do with irelia. Ehh, it has to do with Irelia (and also Udyr, Cho'gath, etc.) because her survivability items are primarily resist-based. Trundle primarily punishes tanks whose kits make their itemization favor resists over HP, because the resist steal is percentage-based while the health steal is flat. As such Warmogs-based tanks are much stronger against Trundle. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 200/200 armor/MR and 2000 HP is huge. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 70/70 armor/MR and 4000 HP is much less impactful. trundle's ult is one of the most underwhelming in the game because it can't do anything by itself. you can ult irelia but you can't hold her in place long enough to kill her because of her passive jackdino just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, it's not even worth it to defend such a flawed view Maybe I'm missing something here, but what Ult does things by itself? A Galio ult won't do much if none of your teammates follow up. I mean, yeah, it's a less obvious or fancy ultimate, but it can change the tides of a teamfight for sure. You just have to make sure you're on the same page as your team, and writing a sentence or two before a teamfight might ensure just that.
jackdino's initial and flawed argument as to why trundle was a counterpick to irelia is that "trundle ult lets you instagib irelia or anyone else" which is blatantly incorrect. ESPECIALLY against irelia. you need CC to lock down someone while they have their resistances lowered - trundle can't do it by himself. but even WITH a team, you can't lock down irelia period - trundle is virtually ineffective against her at all stages in the game
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On January 24 2012 07:45 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 07:13 Shiv. wrote:On January 24 2012 06:19 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 06:15 TheYango wrote:On January 24 2012 05:32 Slayer91 wrote:On January 24 2012 05:18 JackDino wrote:On January 24 2012 05:03 gtrsrs wrote:On January 24 2012 04:48 Shiv. wrote:
a) Gangplank can farm just fine against her and personally, I think his scaling is scarier than Irelia's. Riven, Trynd, Trundle, Udyr should work, too.
to nitpick you definitely don't want to take trundle against irelia. he won't lose the lane but he has 0% chance to kill her if they are equally skilled players without heavy jungle intervention (and for what champ is that not also true) and even though farmed trundle is good, he's not even in the same league as irelia. also even though udyr is a go-to champ that beats a lot of top lanes, irelia is quite strong against him. i would not pick udyr against irelia ever if i could avoid it. Trundle lets you instagib irelia tho, or anybody else. All that means is that tanks can't be as brave against trundle, nothing to do with irelia. Ehh, it has to do with Irelia (and also Udyr, Cho'gath, etc.) because her survivability items are primarily resist-based. Trundle primarily punishes tanks whose kits make their itemization favor resists over HP, because the resist steal is percentage-based while the health steal is flat. As such Warmogs-based tanks are much stronger against Trundle. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 200/200 armor/MR and 2000 HP is huge. Using a Trundle ulti on a tank with 70/70 armor/MR and 4000 HP is much less impactful. trundle's ult is one of the most underwhelming in the game because it can't do anything by itself. you can ult irelia but you can't hold her in place long enough to kill her because of her passive jackdino just likes to argue for the sake of arguing, it's not even worth it to defend such a flawed view Maybe I'm missing something here, but what Ult does things by itself? A Galio ult won't do much if none of your teammates follow up. I mean, yeah, it's a less obvious or fancy ultimate, but it can change the tides of a teamfight for sure. You just have to make sure you're on the same page as your team, and writing a sentence or two before a teamfight might ensure just that. jackdino's initial and flawed argument as to why trundle was a counterpick to irelia is that "trundle ult lets you instagib irelia or anyone else" which is blatantly incorrect. ESPECIALLY against irelia. you need CC to lock down someone while they have their resistances lowered - trundle can't do it by himself. but even WITH a team, you can't lock down irelia period - trundle is virtually ineffective against her at all stages in the game
What I was responding to was that a farmed irelia isn't much more scary than a trundle.
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I just had a Shyvana in my ranked game who kept switching items... She went like Wriggles, something then Thornmail something because WW was fed then 38 minutes in I tab, she has no boots 2 Warmogs... holy shit man that's just ridicilous xD
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