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Use the Champion threads whenever appropriate.
Don't use General Discussion simply out of ease.
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If you want to whine about server lag, use the QQ thread. We all suffer alike when Riot servers kaput. No need to make a post about it in GD.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
January 23 2012 18:41 GMT
#1721
On January 24 2012 03:19 cDgCornpops wrote:
Should cleanse get rid of an ulting WW? I was playing vayne last night, twice I was ult by WW when I had cleanse up, but no matter how many times I hit my f key, he was still there. It just seems stupid to have a summoners that removes cc, yet WW can still ult through it.

Is it the same with QSS as well?

cleanse was taken specifically to completely shut down malzahar and warwick before they nerfed it. Those two champions were entirely reliant on their ults so having cleanse in the game made it impossible to balance them as long as their ults were cleansable. Skarner ult is also a suppression.

qss cleanses everything off of you, also for good reason.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 23 2012 18:54 GMT
#1722
Public Service Announcement
Guys, try to use the Champion thread please.

We really need to get into the habit of using them.

You know you're doing it wrong when you ask one question, get a reply from Smash, then you ask another question.
Do try to keep GD thin, that means have discussions in the appropriate threads.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 23 2012 18:58 GMT
#1723
On January 24 2012 03:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
Public Service Announcement
Guys, try to use the Champion thread please.

We really need to get into the habit of using them.

You know you're doing it wrong when you ask one question, get a reply from Smash, then you ask another question.
Do try to keep GD thin, that means have discussions in the appropriate threads.

But smash doesn't visit all the champion threads!
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 23 2012 19:05 GMT
#1724
On January 24 2012 03:58 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 03:54 NeoIllusions wrote:
Public Service Announcement
Guys, try to use the Champion thread please.

We really need to get into the habit of using them.

You know you're doing it wrong when you ask one question, get a reply from Smash, then you ask another question.
Do try to keep GD thin, that means have discussions in the appropriate threads.

But smash doesn't visit all the champion threads!


I know this was in jest but you could always PM Smash!
I am sure SmashMo wouldn't mind waking up every morning to 10+ PMs!
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
January 23 2012 19:11 GMT
#1725
Is he going to go crazy after receiving 100+ PMs in one night?
Stuck.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
January 23 2012 19:12 GMT
#1726
On January 24 2012 04:11 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Is he going to go crazy after receiving 100+ PMs in one night?

You should ask Chill, he can tell you.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 19:34:49
January 23 2012 19:14 GMT
#1727
On January 24 2012 02:24 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)

a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?

b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?

c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?


Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S

I haven't played too much against irelia.

But you don't counter pick against kennen or rumble, they almost never lose their lanes. from my experience.



a) rumble

b) swain, also a less used but equally rapes him is katarina.

c) any AP that outscales him (rumble/vlad/etc)
Brees on in
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 23 2012 19:29 GMT
#1728
On January 24 2012 04:14 Brees wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 02:24 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)

a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?

b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?

c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?


Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S

I haven't played too much against irelia.

But you don't counter pick against kennen or rumble, they almost never lose their lanes. from my experience.



a) rumble

b) swain, also a less used but equally rapes him is katarina.

c) any AP that outscales him (rumble/vlad/swain/etc)


I agree with a) and b) without a doubt (Kat I haven't seen before at all but I trust Brees).

c) is a bit more iffy.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Kennen_the_Heart_of_the_Tempest
Kennen has pretty strong ratios, Q and R especially.
Kennen scales better than Rumble and Swain. But they might counter Kennen with better game play but it isn't because of their late game scaling. (Kennen also farms like a boss. Hard to imagine a champ like Swain who can match. Rumble, Vlad, sure. (Manaless is probably ideal vs Kennen).
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requiem
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United States268 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 19:34:23
January 23 2012 19:33 GMT
#1729
honestly if i was first pick i'd ban that little ninja ho every time, dont wanna deal with that shit top where he yells EEEEEEEEEE and runs from a 3 man gank like he just popped flash and ghost at the same time

or he baits u both into jumping in on him presses R and thanks you for the double buff and kill

or his dumb harass starting from level 1 UGHRUGHRUhgurhgu
...
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 19:36:06
January 23 2012 19:34 GMT
#1730
yup swain snuck into C by accident, editing it out

I do believe that vlad/rumble outscale him simply because their laning phase is better, they should be able to bully kennen a little in lane and acquire more cs, they also do a lot more damage if played properly whereas kennen has pretty much a flat rate output of damage (vlad using his E/R correctly, and rumble managing his heat correctly)

anddd of course offense isnt everything. tankiness must be taken into account too when we think of scaling.
Brees on in
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 19:37:42
January 23 2012 19:36 GMT
#1731
Kennen can stun people though. It terms of raw damage output he might not scale as well, but stunning the enemies while outputting good damage is better than slightly higher raw damage output. Rumble (and likely Vlad from Rylais) will have slows, but they're hardly comparable to stuns.

I discounted Vlad's unique ultimate completely in this assessment, but ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
January 23 2012 19:40 GMT
#1732
On January 24 2012 02:51 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 02:50 wussleeQ wrote:
I wish there was a timer thing for heimerdinger turrets. He would be so much easier to use when a team fight is going to start if I knew the timers on it... Not fair since teemo and akali have it .

I agree 100%, but that's not gunna fix whats weak about heimer.

would giving heimer a turret in his fro when he ulti's be too much? just thinking about how he could get buffed slightly. lol
BW -> League -> CSGO
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 23 2012 19:42 GMT
#1733
CLGeu on their umpteenth scrim for today.

I've gotta say they look pretty damn scary, all 3 lanes. Snoopeh is maybe the weakest? huehue...
For all the hype M5 got for last weekend and the week leading to Kiev, I can see why people think CLGeu is M5's peer.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 23 2012 19:48 GMT
#1734
On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)

a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?

b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?

c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?


Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S

a) Gangplank can farm just fine against her and personally, I think his scaling is scarier than Irelia's. Riven, Trynd, Trundle, Udyr should work, too.

b) Pantheon, because for some reason, Rumbles dont think about maxing their shield and I repeatedly manage to rape them. If Panth isn't your thang, I'd probably go with Udyr.

c) Bitch doesn't lose his lane ever, so... Nasus if you can convince your jungler to gank top early on, Ryze if you don't.
currently rooting for myself.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 19:55:43
January 23 2012 19:50 GMT
#1735
Heimer's turret AI is just so unbelievably retarded that it's the #1 thing holding him back, right after is stationary turrets being dumb as hell in mobile game in the first place

turrets will randomly switch from hitting minion A to minion B, often right before they would cs that minion
turrets will sometimes utterly ignore any targets that are at the edge of their range and sit there doing nothing
turrets will most of the time completely ignore enemy champions if minions are present

if they just like added the ability to control what target turrets hit with the "minion control click" it would go a long way. I love heimer, his ulti should upgrade the AI on his turrets...


oh snoopeh new featured streamer. gogo snoopeh \o/
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 23 2012 19:57 GMT
#1736
On January 24 2012 03:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
Critplank>all.

Im serious. Shit is so mean. crit% reds, armpen quints, qewqqr. Laugh as you kill them at level 2. Then the instant they get back to lane.

Instantly bought 9 Crit% reds the first time you talked about it, and whoever said you were an asshole for it is right: it's ridiculously unfair how strong some random early crit is in lane.
currently rooting for myself.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
January 23 2012 19:59 GMT
#1737
On January 23 2012 21:51 locodoco wrote:

new vlog


This got skipped over but holy shit. Pro League for LoL? That sounds so fucking awesome. Also, if you read this loco, is MiG the first team to have actual "practice partners?" Because if so that's pretty huge.
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
January 23 2012 20:03 GMT
#1738
On January 24 2012 04:48 Shiv. wrote:
a) Gangplank can farm just fine against her and personally, I think his scaling is scarier than Irelia's. Riven, Trynd, Trundle, Udyr should work, too.


to nitpick
you definitely don't want to take trundle against irelia. he won't lose the lane but he has 0% chance to kill her if they are equally skilled players without heavy jungle intervention (and for what champ is that not also true) and even though farmed trundle is good, he's not even in the same league as irelia.

also even though udyr is a go-to champ that beats a lot of top lanes, irelia is quite strong against him. i would not pick udyr against irelia ever if i could avoid it.
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 20:16:37
January 23 2012 20:05 GMT
#1739
On January 24 2012 04:59 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 21:51 locodoco wrote:
http://youtu.be/pEyYegQSfZk
new vlog


This got skipped over but holy shit. Pro League for LoL? That sounds so fucking awesome. Also, if you read this loco, is MiG the first team to have actual "practice partners?" Because if so that's pretty huge.


VLOG HAS OGN INVITE SPOILERS~~~

Loco hwaiting!

Edit: Real pro team. Has house. Wins tournament. Has another team for practice. I hope LoL explodes in Korea. The OGN tournament in March sounds pretty big.
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DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
January 23 2012 20:18 GMT
#1740
On January 24 2012 04:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
CLGeu on their umpteenth scrim for today.

I've gotta say they look pretty damn scary, all 3 lanes. Snoopeh is maybe the weakest? huehue...
For all the hype M5 got for last weekend and the week leading to Kiev, I can see why people think CLGeu is M5's peer.


I was watching them too. Very impressive. Especially Froggen is playing scary.

oh and if you guys have spare time: check out my humble 1000th post blog, thanks
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