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On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S
I think a good Irelia should be able to lane vs anyone, but you can try bullying her around with someone like gp, panth or renekton (open dblade), there's no shortage of irelias who will q that ranged minion in the back allowing you to auto her for free for like 5 seconds or who will max q vs tough lanes. Otherwise you can just pick something to farm with like nasus, cho, gp, riven, etc. Rumble also shouldn't lose the lane vs irelia.
Vs. those other two I'd just pick irelia because irelia is fucking awesome. Honestly I don't think either of them can be hard countered. Just get good at one solid champion like irelia, gp, riven, udyr. You will rape anyone top whether they think they're countering you or not.
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On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S
I haven't played too much against irelia.
But you don't counter pick against kennen or rumble, they almost never lose their lanes. from my experience.
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On January 24 2012 01:56 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 01:47 WhiteDog wrote:On January 24 2012 01:40 Ecael wrote:On January 24 2012 01:26 WhiteDog wrote:On January 24 2012 00:31 Ecael wrote:On January 23 2012 22:36 WhiteDog wrote:On January 23 2012 20:58 wussleeQ wrote:Oh man. Regi responding to SV's reddit post. and also + Show Spoiler +http://solomid.net/blog.php?v=18322Him Quoting Saintvicious
"eh.... aggressive counter-jungling takes advantage of weak junglers and weak lane picks.
Moscow 5 took advantage of rain mans weak top lane performance/picks as well as oddones poor adaptability. I was really disappointed in how oddone played and I thought he would adapt better. Moscow 5 knows how to group and plays well in that sense but I think the aggressive counter jungling strat is extremely flawed and would not work against a solid jungler/top lane. CLG EU has shown this with their consistant wins vs moscow 5 in scrims."
"Also for people who say clg comes off as arrogant, clg as hands down double if not tripple any teams overall tourney wins on the history of competitive league. We are also one of the oldest teams in league as well. I give my opinion from that point and nothing else. It's like John Madden critiquing a play in football and then someone coming out and saying madden is an arrogant idiot for doing so. I speak from a long line of experience and nothin more.
M5 is going to end up being the next dig, do well one tourney and get overhyped." ENDQUOTE
Team Solomid has always had a very outspoken attitude and it is a trait that has garnered the love and hope of so many fans. TSM has not had an amazing track record in tournaments and while we relish our victories, we show humility in defeat. Unfortunately, not every team follows our same philosophy, as one could see from the above quote on Reddit from CLG's Saintvicious.
All teams appreciate constructive criticism, however Saint's comments were anything but. While Saintvicious and TheOddOne do have an intense rivalry, there is a limit. As a team, we acknowledge our own mistakes and work to address them, but Saint's comments on a public forum are ones stemming from arrogance and are of no reasonable value. This isn't the first time, after MLG Providece, HotshotGG posted on Reddit stating, "my hero repertoire hard counters their Yorick, I know it wouldn't have been a problem for me." Instead of congratulating TheRainMan on his impressive play at MLG, he instead claims that if it were him there, there would simply be no contest between the two.
Though Saintvicious claims that "he speaks from a long line of experience," CLG has not won a single LAN tournament with their full roster since WCG 2010, including a 0-2 loss to MiG in the recent Korean tournament in which CLG was the only western team present. CLG speaks with authority, but lacks the force to back it up and it has been showing with their recent slump resulting in the departure of long-time member, Elementz.
Moscow 5 played amazing at IntelEM Kiev, impressing everyone and garnering the attention of hundreds of thousands worldwide. Despite such an impressive play, CLG's only comment are that they will never become a top tier team and that had CLG been there, it would have been a victory for CLG. This is not the attitude that any team should take in regards to upcoming superstars. CLG should show a bit more respect to any team that are not themselves and work on their own play instead of criticizing every other team's.
As for us, we plan to continue to practice as much as possible and we will be playing on the Europe-West server in preparation for future tournaments. Also, on behalf of Team Solomid, we congratulate Moscow 5 for their victory over us in the grand finals of IntelEM Kiev in the best matches of the tournament. I wish them the best of luck in upcoming events and in the rest of their LoL careers. Sometime I see solomid as a team of kids, with all their "bro" and "dude", but some other time they impress me with their sportmanship, especially in defeat, like that time when TRM just said they lost because their opponent played better. This is a great answer, it was TSM vs M5 and not TRM vs Dar1en, and all that bash on TRM and now theoddone seems very very mean. Just accept the defeat, as cocky as they were M5 were just impressive. lol, Regi just had to fire something back, and the best way to save face in this situation is by saying that their opponents were good, not that they were bad. This statement from Regi is almost more childish than Saint's reddit post to be honest. If Jatt writes another analysis post and bashes their decisions, is he going to throw out another blog entry to say how Jatt isn't competitive anymore and shouldn't be talking? If they are going to man up and take criticisms, this post was completely unnecessary. That the post went up at all is an indication that they are still hung up over it and in fact, didn't want to take criticisms. Especially not from a rival team that they feel like is worse than them. I think you didn't understand his point at all. It's not about the criticising, it's about criticising one specific player and not the team as a whole, in which he is completly right. Just like Xspecial answers to saintvicious on reddit : it's about TSM's bad decision, and not TRM or TOO's individuals skills. That is silly, TSM made a bad decision, that doesn't mean that the individual players performed up to par. The team's bad decision made these two the spotlight and placed additional responsibility on them to not fail. When people perform under such pressure, we call them good players. When they fail, we recognize that they themselves have a part of the blame, but it isn't entirely their fault. The team as a whole were required to adapt to the situation that they are placed in, but most of all the players that are stuck in the thick of it (in this case, jungle and top) have to understand their position and play to make the most of it. That didn't happen. To ignore one side of the problems and lump it all on the other is nonsensical. Saint's post was criticism for the sake of criticism. Regi was just saving face and letting out some steam. There was nothing sportsman like here to commend. It's not silly, it's how it is, a team game... Regi is defending the integrity of his team, and it's perfectly normal when you read all the shit TRM is getting on reddit, despite being one of the most efficient solo top in the tourney (with something like 7/1/8 KDA). And saying congrats to M5, especially considering the history of the teams, is pretty classy, weither you like it or not. When did we chalk every problem in a team game to the decision of a team and not the performance of the individual? Yes, the Reddit bandwagon is retarded and TRM isn't entirely at fault. That in no way absolves him of all responsibility. That just means that his performance needs to be viewed with the team's decision in mind. He still didn't do well. You are not "defending the integrity" of a team by saying that they made a mistake as a team and ignoring all the other aspects of the individual plays. If Regi stayed silent, then I wouldn't really have minded much. But if he is going to bother to talk back, then I'd much rather not see half-assed talks about how they work as a team mixed with retorts about CLG being CLG. Lip service is lip service. TSM is doing better than say, CLG. But if we are to look that far down for sportsmanship we might as well as not look at all. People all shake hands after say, a match of tennis. Does that automatically make every tennis player a stellar example of sportsmanship?
I don't get why sain'ts post got so much shit from reginald in the first place.... Criticism's should be accepted. The only problem with saint's post was saying "CLG would've beaten m5", but as far as the whole criticism thing goes, I don't know why regi's so butt hurt.
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On January 24 2012 02:24 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S I think a good Irelia should be able to lane vs anyone, but you can try bullying her around with someone like gp, panth or renekton (open dblade), there's no shortage of irelias who will q that ranged minion in the back allowing you to auto her for free for like 5 seconds or who will max q vs tough lanes. Otherwise you can just pick something to farm with like nasus, cho, gp, riven, etc. Rumble also shouldn't lose the lane vs irelia. Vs. those other two I'd just pick irelia because irelia is fucking awesome. Honestly I don't think either of them can be hard countered. Just get good at one solid champion like irelia, gp, riven, udyr. You will rape anyone top whether they think they're countering you or not.
Yeah, my main point kinda is that from my Irelia experience I must fuck up hard to lose lane to almost anyone. On the other hand I hate freefarming vs her as someone like GP, Nasus or Cho since I feel outscaled by her when it comes to teamfights when we have even farm.
Stupid bitch. =(
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On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S
a) Jarvan. I love Jarvan.
b) This is anectodal, but I had good success running Nasus going MR quints/Apen/flat armor/flat mr with boots opening, 0/21/9. Start boots+3, 379 or 389 ms, and 64mr at level 1. Running ghost/TP (alternatively flash, tried ghost). Do your standard last hit Q/auto and go for chalice + mercs (I went for chalice -> kindlegem -> mercs + wards and few pots). Being rumble he'll push lane, you dodge his harpoons (E?) and lightly tank his Q. Gank comes you engage with w (which I maxed after Q) and we got a kill. I had lane dominance constantly and map presence with TP.
Alternatively my friend who is good at rumble says Teemo counters him, along with Garen and... was it nid?
c) Fuck kennen, again anecdotal but I beat him with tf :< or JARVAN cause Jarvan is great.
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Anyone watch dyrus raging? lolololol
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Nasus is really good against rumble for some reason.
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I wish there was a timer thing for heimerdinger turrets. He would be so much easier to use when a team fight is going to start if I knew the timers on it... Not fair since teemo and akali have it  .
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On January 24 2012 02:50 wussleeQ wrote:I wish there was a timer thing for heimerdinger turrets. He would be so much easier to use when a team fight is going to start if I knew the timers on it... Not fair since teemo and akali have it .
I agree 100%, but that's not gunna fix whats weak about heimer.
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On January 24 2012 02:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:50 wussleeQ wrote:I wish there was a timer thing for heimerdinger turrets. He would be so much easier to use when a team fight is going to start if I knew the timers on it... Not fair since teemo and akali have it . I agree 100%, but that's not gunna fix whats weak about heimer.
Heimer is extremely strong. He just needs the right team backing him. I would love to be able to play him more, and yes, having a timer on turrets would be so nice.
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On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S
a) M5 says shyvanna
b) my vayne shits on rumble top lane.
c) kennen has no bad matchups. Ryze is my least favorite to lane against as kennen simply because he denies any aggressive E maneuvers and it turns into a farm fest.
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On January 24 2012 02:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:51 wei2coolman wrote:On January 24 2012 02:50 wussleeQ wrote:I wish there was a timer thing for heimerdinger turrets. He would be so much easier to use when a team fight is going to start if I knew the timers on it... Not fair since teemo and akali have it . I agree 100%, but that's not gunna fix whats weak about heimer. Heimer is extremely strong. He just needs the right team backing him. I would love to be able to play him more, and yes, having a timer on turrets would be so nice.
Have you ever been in a lane against a caitlyn? yeah, there are just some lane match ups that makes playing heimer like stabbing myself in the eye.
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Critplank>all.
Im serious. Shit is so mean. crit% reds, armpen quints, qewqqr. Laugh as you kill them at level 2. Then the instant they get back to lane.
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On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S
a) irelia's weak in lane and needs help vs. like, practically anyone. depends on the jungler, but I could go with panth, gp, or jarman vs. her and Kennen, Ryze, Swain and Rumble all poop on her face too. irelia's a critical mass laner, meaning that once she hits critical mass, she's immovable, but she has a hell of a time getting there vs. a strong aggressive laner.
b) rumble op as balls, I pick Galio and freefarm -> out-teamfight him.
c) Kassadin, Xerath, Galio. Malphite was a good pick vs. kennen before spell vamp came into the game, but now you can't attrition him down with Malphite. Basically Kennen is strong enough early to rule out lane bullies, so I just pick people who can chunk him for a big portion of his HP from far away or just sit around and freefarm (Galio).
Honestly though, I pretty much never get to counterpick anyone, so I just pick GP and use counter runepages to survive tough lanes.
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Should cleanse get rid of an ulting WW? I was playing vayne last night, twice I was ult by WW when I had cleanse up, but no matter how many times I hit my f key, he was still there. It just seems stupid to have a summoners that removes cc, yet WW can still ult through it.
Is it the same with QSS as well?
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Cleanse now works on almost everything expect suppression, the other thing cleanse doesn't remove is ignite's healing debuff but it does remove the damage. QSS works on suppression and essentially everything in the game expect Karthus ult.
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On January 24 2012 03:12 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S a) irelia's weak in lane and needs help vs. like, practically anyone. depends on the jungler, but I could go with panth, gp, or jarman vs. her and Kennen, Ryze, Swain and Rumble all poop on her face too. irelia's a critical mass laner, meaning that once she hits critical mass, she's immovable, but she has a hell of a time getting there vs. a strong aggressive laner. b) rumble op as balls, I pick Galio and freefarm -> out-teamfight him. c) Kassadin, Xerath, Galio. Malphite was a good pick vs. kennen before spell vamp came into the game, but now you can't attrition him down with Malphite. Basically Kennen is strong enough early to rule out lane bullies, so I just pick people who can chunk him for a big portion of his HP from far away or just sit around and freefarm (Galio). Honestly though, I pretty much never get to counterpick anyone, so I just pick GP and use counter runepages to survive tough lanes.
care to quickly elaborate on runes/masteries for galio when facing kennen/rumble? thanks
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Oh it was galio. Galio's shield heals him for each tick of damage and rumble's Q ticks six times per Q.
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On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S
Pick ryze vs Irelia, freewin. She can't do a thing.
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On January 24 2012 03:12 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2012 02:09 r.Evo wrote:
(Junglers not taken into account)
a) Enemy picks Irelia. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
b) Enemy picks Rumble. You are allowed to counterpick top. Who do you pick and why?
c) Enemy picks Kennen (let's assume we somehow know he will be top or mid & AP). You are allowed to counterpick. Who do you pick and why?
Those 3 are like the bane of my existance in lane. :S a) irelia's weak in lane and needs help vs. like, practically anyone. depends on the jungler, but I could go with panth, gp, or jarman vs. her and Kennen, Ryze, Swain and Rumble all poop on her face too. irelia's a critical mass laner, meaning that once she hits critical mass, she's immovable, but she has a hell of a time getting there vs. a strong aggressive laner. b) rumble op as balls, I pick Galio and freefarm -> out-teamfight him. c) Kassadin, Xerath, Galio. Malphite was a good pick vs. kennen before spell vamp came into the game, but now you can't attrition him down with Malphite. Basically Kennen is strong enough early to rule out lane bullies, so I just pick people who can chunk him for a big portion of his HP from far away or just sit around and freefarm (Galio). Honestly though, I pretty much never get to counterpick anyone, so I just pick GP and use counter runepages to survive tough lanes.
k, thanks to you and the others for help there.
@Galio, how do you spec him for masteries? I'm assuming MPen/Armor/Mres/Mres for runes?
Just realized the Galio thread is old as fk, maybe you just wanna post it over there so people will find it again. =D ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189604¤tpage=4 )
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On January 24 2012 03:32 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Oh it was galio. Galio's shield heals him for each tick of damage and rumble's Q ticks six times per Q.
LOL NOW IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. =D
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