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On January 23 2012 20:58 wussleeQ wrote:Oh man. Regi responding to SV's reddit post. and also + Show Spoiler +http://solomid.net/blog.php?v=18322Show nested quote +Him Quoting Saintvicious
"eh.... aggressive counter-jungling takes advantage of weak junglers and weak lane picks.
Moscow 5 took advantage of rain mans weak top lane performance/picks as well as oddones poor adaptability. I was really disappointed in how oddone played and I thought he would adapt better. Moscow 5 knows how to group and plays well in that sense but I think the aggressive counter jungling strat is extremely flawed and would not work against a solid jungler/top lane. CLG EU has shown this with their consistant wins vs moscow 5 in scrims."
"Also for people who say clg comes off as arrogant, clg as hands down double if not tripple any teams overall tourney wins on the history of competitive league. We are also one of the oldest teams in league as well. I give my opinion from that point and nothing else. It's like John Madden critiquing a play in football and then someone coming out and saying madden is an arrogant idiot for doing so. I speak from a long line of experience and nothin more.
M5 is going to end up being the next dig, do well one tourney and get overhyped." ENDQUOTE
Team Solomid has always had a very outspoken attitude and it is a trait that has garnered the love and hope of so many fans. TSM has not had an amazing track record in tournaments and while we relish our victories, we show humility in defeat. Unfortunately, not every team follows our same philosophy, as one could see from the above quote on Reddit from CLG's Saintvicious.
All teams appreciate constructive criticism, however Saint's comments were anything but. While Saintvicious and TheOddOne do have an intense rivalry, there is a limit. As a team, we acknowledge our own mistakes and work to address them, but Saint's comments on a public forum are ones stemming from arrogance and are of no reasonable value. This isn't the first time, after MLG Providece, HotshotGG posted on Reddit stating, "my hero repertoire hard counters their Yorick, I know it wouldn't have been a problem for me." Instead of congratulating TheRainMan on his impressive play at MLG, he instead claims that if it were him there, there would simply be no contest between the two.
Though Saintvicious claims that "he speaks from a long line of experience," CLG has not won a single LAN tournament with their full roster since WCG 2010, including a 0-2 loss to MiG in the recent Korean tournament in which CLG was the only western team present. CLG speaks with authority, but lacks the force to back it up and it has been showing with their recent slump resulting in the departure of long-time member, Elementz.
Moscow 5 played amazing at IntelEM Kiev, impressing everyone and garnering the attention of hundreds of thousands worldwide. Despite such an impressive play, CLG's only comment are that they will never become a top tier team and that had CLG been there, it would have been a victory for CLG. This is not the attitude that any team should take in regards to upcoming superstars. CLG should show a bit more respect to any team that are not themselves and work on their own play instead of criticizing every other team's.
As for us, we plan to continue to practice as much as possible and we will be playing on the Europe-West server in preparation for future tournaments. Also, on behalf of Team Solomid, we congratulate Moscow 5 for their victory over us in the grand finals of IntelEM Kiev in the best matches of the tournament. I wish them the best of luck in upcoming events and in the rest of their LoL careers.
Sometime I see solomid as a team of kids, with all their "bro" and "dude", but some other time they impress me with their sportmanship, especially in defeat, like that time when TRM just said they lost because their opponent played better.
This is a great answer, it was TSM vs M5 and not TRM vs Dar1en, and all that bash on TRM and now theoddone seems very very mean.
Just accept the defeat, as cocky as they were M5 were just impressive.
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On January 23 2012 22:07 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 18:23 UniversalSnip wrote:I thought the gold seals were gonna be terrible because they're so much less efficient than the gold quints/armor seals but then I started thinking of it in terms of how quickly I was going to get my first gp5 item and noticed the seals give you your first gp5 40 seconds earlier. at that point it occured to me even kinda bad values of gp5 are pretty much core because you snowball off of getting your gp5 as early as possible while still maintaining wards and lane presence. So I take those masteries and I run gold seals. craton actually told me they were good and it took me too long (at least a week) to realize he was right I would really like to try them out, but the IP costs of those runes are too damn high. It really turns me off. I can see how they would be great on a support like Soraka.
I would like to mention that M5 hardly bought any gold/10 items (pretty much just 1 on the support, often not even a Philo despite starting Fairy Charm). I wouldn't be surprised if they also stayed away from gold/10 runes.
Fairly simple reasoning can be assumed: They are applying pressure, and they apply it early. Gold/10 puts you at a disadvantage early.
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Any tips on Yorick? Just bought him and I got manhandled by a GP who must have been running crit runes + cloak/zeal opening. GPs Q range feels more than E and about even with W, making it hard to come the better out of trades. General tips also appreciated.
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On January 23 2012 22:54 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 22:07 koreasilver wrote:On January 23 2012 18:23 UniversalSnip wrote:I thought the gold seals were gonna be terrible because they're so much less efficient than the gold quints/armor seals but then I started thinking of it in terms of how quickly I was going to get my first gp5 item and noticed the seals give you your first gp5 40 seconds earlier. at that point it occured to me even kinda bad values of gp5 are pretty much core because you snowball off of getting your gp5 as early as possible while still maintaining wards and lane presence. So I take those masteries and I run gold seals. craton actually told me they were good and it took me too long (at least a week) to realize he was right I would really like to try them out, but the IP costs of those runes are too damn high. It really turns me off. I can see how they would be great on a support like Soraka. I would like to mention that M5 hardly bought any gold/10 items (pretty much just 1 on the support, often not even a Philo despite starting Fairy Charm). I wouldn't be surprised if they also stayed away from gold/10 runes. Fairly simple reasoning can be assumed: They are applying pressure, and they apply it early. Gold/10 puts you at a disadvantage early.
I thought they always had like 3 shurelyas ?
Pretty sure their GP (when he was not banned) had a philo, and their support.
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On January 23 2012 23:14 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Any tips on Yorick? Just bought him and I got manhandled by a GP who must have been running crit runes + cloak/zeal opening. GPs Q range feels more than E and about even with W, making it hard to come the better out of trades. General tips also appreciated.
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On January 23 2012 23:14 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Any tips on Yorick? Just bought him and I got manhandled by a GP who must have been running crit runes + cloak/zeal opening. GPs Q range feels more than E and about even with W, making it hard to come the better out of trades. General tips also appreciated.
Yorick is great, but I wouldn't go up against GP and expect to get the better end out of it. A decently played GP craps all over Yorick, at least in my opinion. He's a great choice against champs with weak sustain or sustain that kicks in late (AD Nidalee comes to mind.)
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On January 23 2012 23:30 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 23:14 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Any tips on Yorick? Just bought him and I got manhandled by a GP who must have been running crit runes + cloak/zeal opening. GPs Q range feels more than E and about even with W, making it hard to come the better out of trades. General tips also appreciated. QWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWE.
brb buying yorick for free wins 
Really though, sounds a lot like my favorite AP - ryze.
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Sounds like the guide to best Mordekaiser where you just switch your keys so that you spam HUEHUEHUE everytime your spells are up.
When I read about it, GP seems really solid. What would crush him, stuff like Tryndamere, or Riven to outscale him?
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Trynd has a pretty rough time against GP. He might scale like crazy but that doesn't mean much when you get zoned like crazy during GP's early lane bully phase that overlaps with your rather weak early game.
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On January 23 2012 23:55 Alaric wrote:Sounds like the guide to best Mordekaiser where you just switch your keys so that you spam HUEHUEHUE everytime your spells are up. When I read about it, GP seems really solid. What would crush him, stuff like Tryndamere, or Riven to outscale him?
Against Panth, it can go either way, but I've seen only few GPs smart enough to max W, start armor quints and cloth 5. Riven with a maxed E is a pain in the ass for GP, so is Irelia once she hits 7-8 and has a wriggles. I also dislike playing against WW, but that's a personal thing, I guess.
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On January 23 2012 23:35 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 23:14 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Any tips on Yorick? Just bought him and I got manhandled by a GP who must have been running crit runes + cloak/zeal opening. GPs Q range feels more than E and about even with W, making it hard to come the better out of trades. General tips also appreciated. Yorick is great, but I wouldn't go up against GP and expect to get the better end out of it. A decently played GP craps all over Yorick, at least in my opinion. He's a great choice against champs with weak sustain or sustain that kicks in late (AD Nidalee comes to mind.)
Vs gp as yorick: EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE basicly. You should be able to trade fairly against him especially early on since gp has no real sustain (i wouldnt call his W massive sustain, since most people just put 1 point into it)
EDIT: Forgot to mention, if you have someone like kennen, vlad or rumble mid, ask your jungler for the 2nd blue.
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Just bought Jarvan, I play him as a jungler.
Pretty nice for ganks but I build him mostly as tank, how would you build him in order to still deal reasonnable dmg ?
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On January 24 2012 00:11 WhiteDog wrote:
Just bought Jarvan, I play him as a jungler.
Pretty nice for ganks but I build him mostly as tank, how would you build him in order to still deal reasonnable dmg ?
Do the phreak, rush triforce to deal tons and tons of damage.
Or on a more serious not, really up to your team and the enemy team. Triforce isnt bad, but you usually end up going damage no tank , or tank no damage. Its hard to combine the two with jarvan, theres just better alternatives to him damage/tanky wise
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On January 24 2012 00:11 WhiteDog wrote:
Just bought Jarvan, I play him as a jungler.
Pretty nice for ganks but I build him mostly as tank, how would you build him in order to still deal reasonnable dmg ?
Double GP5 -> Wriggle's -> Phage -> Aegis -> Triforce -> Atmas -> Warmogs.
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On junglers that you get wriggles on, you should never get gold items before wriggles. Does Jarvan even gain much from ghostblade or shurelia? If not, you really shouldn't get avarice or philo.
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On January 24 2012 00:20 koreasilver wrote:
On junglers that you get wriggles on, you should never get gold items before wriggles. Does Jarvan even gain much from ghostblade or shurelia? If not, you really shouldn't get avarice or philo.
Philo+HoG obviously. You sell the Philo for Atma's, but it's much needed for sustain early on. Also, don't talk about things like they are set in stone. The item route I suggested was crafted by the almighty SmashGizmo. I trust the guy, especially when it comes to Jarv. Tried it myself and I found it to be the perfect way to build Jarman.
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On January 23 2012 22:36 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 20:58 wussleeQ wrote:Oh man. Regi responding to SV's reddit post. and also + Show Spoiler +http://solomid.net/blog.php?v=18322Him Quoting Saintvicious
"eh.... aggressive counter-jungling takes advantage of weak junglers and weak lane picks.
Moscow 5 took advantage of rain mans weak top lane performance/picks as well as oddones poor adaptability. I was really disappointed in how oddone played and I thought he would adapt better. Moscow 5 knows how to group and plays well in that sense but I think the aggressive counter jungling strat is extremely flawed and would not work against a solid jungler/top lane. CLG EU has shown this with their consistant wins vs moscow 5 in scrims."
"Also for people who say clg comes off as arrogant, clg as hands down double if not tripple any teams overall tourney wins on the history of competitive league. We are also one of the oldest teams in league as well. I give my opinion from that point and nothing else. It's like John Madden critiquing a play in football and then someone coming out and saying madden is an arrogant idiot for doing so. I speak from a long line of experience and nothin more.
M5 is going to end up being the next dig, do well one tourney and get overhyped." ENDQUOTE
Team Solomid has always had a very outspoken attitude and it is a trait that has garnered the love and hope of so many fans. TSM has not had an amazing track record in tournaments and while we relish our victories, we show humility in defeat. Unfortunately, not every team follows our same philosophy, as one could see from the above quote on Reddit from CLG's Saintvicious.
All teams appreciate constructive criticism, however Saint's comments were anything but. While Saintvicious and TheOddOne do have an intense rivalry, there is a limit. As a team, we acknowledge our own mistakes and work to address them, but Saint's comments on a public forum are ones stemming from arrogance and are of no reasonable value. This isn't the first time, after MLG Providece, HotshotGG posted on Reddit stating, "my hero repertoire hard counters their Yorick, I know it wouldn't have been a problem for me." Instead of congratulating TheRainMan on his impressive play at MLG, he instead claims that if it were him there, there would simply be no contest between the two.
Though Saintvicious claims that "he speaks from a long line of experience," CLG has not won a single LAN tournament with their full roster since WCG 2010, including a 0-2 loss to MiG in the recent Korean tournament in which CLG was the only western team present. CLG speaks with authority, but lacks the force to back it up and it has been showing with their recent slump resulting in the departure of long-time member, Elementz.
Moscow 5 played amazing at IntelEM Kiev, impressing everyone and garnering the attention of hundreds of thousands worldwide. Despite such an impressive play, CLG's only comment are that they will never become a top tier team and that had CLG been there, it would have been a victory for CLG. This is not the attitude that any team should take in regards to upcoming superstars. CLG should show a bit more respect to any team that are not themselves and work on their own play instead of criticizing every other team's.
As for us, we plan to continue to practice as much as possible and we will be playing on the Europe-West server in preparation for future tournaments. Also, on behalf of Team Solomid, we congratulate Moscow 5 for their victory over us in the grand finals of IntelEM Kiev in the best matches of the tournament. I wish them the best of luck in upcoming events and in the rest of their LoL careers. Sometime I see solomid as a team of kids, with all their "bro" and "dude", but some other time they impress me with their sportmanship, especially in defeat, like that time when TRM just said they lost because their opponent played better. This is a great answer, it was TSM vs M5 and not TRM vs Dar1en, and all that bash on TRM and now theoddone seems very very mean. Just accept the defeat, as cocky as they were M5 were just impressive.
lol, Regi just had to fire something back, and the best way to save face in this situation is by saying that their opponents were good, not that they were bad. This statement from Regi is almost more childish than Saint's reddit post to be honest. If Jatt writes another analysis post and bashes their decisions, is he going to throw out another blog entry to say how Jatt isn't competitive anymore and shouldn't be talking?
If they are going to man up and take criticisms, this post was completely unnecessary. That the post went up at all is an indication that they are still hung up over it and in fact, didn't want to take criticisms. Especially not from a rival team that they feel like is worse than them.
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On January 23 2012 23:38 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2012 23:30 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 23 2012 23:14 ChaoSbringer wrote:
Any tips on Yorick? Just bought him and I got manhandled by a GP who must have been running crit runes + cloak/zeal opening. GPs Q range feels more than E and about even with W, making it hard to come the better out of trades. General tips also appreciated. QWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWEQWE. brb buying yorick for free wins Really though, sounds a lot like my favorite AP - ryze.
Ryze requires timing and planification, as well as positionning. Yorick doesn't.
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Getting wriggles after philo and hog seems way too late. Wriggles allows you to farm faster and it makes your ganks stronger than philo + hog, and it gives you a lot of sustain. I haven't played Jarvan before so maybe I'm missing something, but it really doesn't make much sense to me. What exactly makes Jarvan different from Nocturne when it comes to the question of prioritizing between wriggles and gold? I'm really not seeing anything.
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Ryze is just r qweqweqweqweqweqweqwe and you survive through anything because youre tanky as fuck and heal from your spells anyway, no need for planning or timing when you can 1v1 anyone on their team.
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