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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:43 Craton wrote: Lots of ults do something by themself, e.g. mage ults can gib people. Trundle ult just facilitates him being able to run into a team without dying instantly. At the same time, it also screws over a lot of champions who count on running into an enemy team without dying instantly. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:46 Zhiroo wrote: I just had a Shyvana in my ranked game who kept switching items... She went like Wriggles, something then Thornmail something because WW was fed then 38 minutes in I tab, she has no boots 2 Warmogs... holy shit man that's just ridicilous xD o_o did you win that one? | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
Unfortunately no, our AD Carry Ashe was just as bad... she rushed PD and BV and no IE... Oh well stuff happens :D | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:45 gtrsrs wrote: jackdino's initial and flawed argument as to why trundle was a counterpick to irelia is that "trundle ult lets you instagib irelia or anyone else" which is blatantly incorrect. ESPECIALLY against irelia. you need CC to lock down someone while they have their resistances lowered - trundle can't do it by himself. but even WITH a team, you can't lock down irelia period - trundle is virtually ineffective against her at all stages in the game Ah okay, that makes sense. And yeah, obviously most AP ults do something for themselves, dunno what I was thinking there. Really dumb comment by me. Anyway, concerning the Trundle vs. Irelia debate... I don't know. If the comp fits him (read: has lots of poke), he's a real beast. You can debate he needs no farm to be as effective, but personally, I consider a farmed Trundle equally scary as a farmed Irelia. Both have innate CC reduction, both their ultimates will heal them, I'd argue Trundle's is a lot better in teamfights and while Irelia might be ahead in damage output, Trundle's pillar becomes more useful than her stun once it's off CD again and his AD reduction is not too shabby either. I'm not even saying he's better, because obviously, a farmed Irelia is scary as shit. But I think Trundle's up there. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
On January 24 2012 07:46 Seuss wrote: At the same time, it also screws over a lot of champions who count on running into an enemy team without dying instantly. It ain't that strong. You can ult a tank and he'll take more damage, but odds are if you blow everything on him you're still going to lose the fight. Moreover, it doesn't change the fact that his ult just sets up for something else, but doesn't do anything on its own (unless you ult something running away at like 50 hp...) | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:26 57 Corvette wrote: Is there any way for Kayle to be viable in the current meta? I have been trying her solotop in a few games, but I haven't played enough recently to really gauge if she is good or not. i think she would be really interesting bot lane as a complement to a zero sustain, high burst support like leona or blitzcrank, and can basically function as a high-utility pseudo ranged dps. i also hear whisperings of jungle kayle, but i think certain people on this forum might get upset if ppl found out about it and it became popular, lol | ||
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dignity
Canada908 Posts
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Terranasaur
United States2085 Posts
1) champions with built in mobility, are also the ones I don't usually build crit on, so many PD stats are somewhat wasted. 2) these champs also tend to be somewhat tanky, so the health from IS is always nice. 3) I think the passive is really fun. It might now be game breaking but it's just fun to watch chain lightning bounce around. I built it on Kennen today purely for the lols. What do you guys think? I've gotten it after Boots/Randuins/Reverie on Rammus and it felt good. I've also gotten it on Amumu and Shy but didn't like it AS much, although its still fun. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
works nicely with his ult and gives him some buffer HP so he doesn't instadie in fights, and lets him be a pushing threat beyond just structures. he can actually kill minions with it! | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:30 barbsq wrote: i think she would be really interesting bot lane as a complement to a zero sustain, high burst support like leona or blitzcrank, and can basically function as a high-utility pseudo ranged dps. i also hear whisperings of jungle kayle, but i think certain people on this forum might get upset if ppl found out about it and it became popular, lol Its pretty good early. She just still suffers from the same "well wtf am I supposed to get on her cuz no matter what I buy I am still going to be mostly useless," she has in lane. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:26 57 Corvette wrote: Is there any way for Kayle to be viable in the current meta? I have been trying her solotop in a few games, but I haven't played enough recently to really gauge if she is good or not. Jungle Kayle isn't entirely troll. She clears quickly with attack speed runes and sustains well. Her ganks are decent, but not spectacular. Lategame her ult is extraordinary if you can time it well. She works best in a team comp where there's a very high priority kill target on your team, particularly if they're a suicide style champion (e.g. Tryndamere, Karthus). While the enemy team ineffectually focuses on their kill target, Kayle and your ranged AD murder everything. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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aRyuujin
United States5049 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:46 Terranasaur wrote: How do we feel about Ionic Spark? I've always felt like Phantom Dancer was the best attack speed item, but I've been buying IS today and I like it for a number of reasons: 1) champions with built in mobility, are also the ones I don't usually build crit on, so many PD stats are somewhat wasted. 2) these champs also tend to be somewhat tanky, so the health from IS is always nice. 3) I think the passive is really fun. It might now be game breaking but it's just fun to watch chain lightning bounce around. I built it on Kennen today purely for the lols. What do you guys think? I've gotten it after Boots/Randuins/Reverie on Rammus and it felt good. I've also gotten it on Amumu and Shy but didn't like it AS much, although its still fun. I've been wanting to do some sort of proc build on TF, like AS + AP with ionic spark, malady, maybe deathcap/lich bane. Any idea how viable this is? | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 24 2012 08:46 Terranasaur wrote: How do we feel about Ionic Spark? I've always felt like Phantom Dancer was the best attack speed item, but I've been buying IS today and I like it for a number of reasons: 1) champions with built in mobility, are also the ones I don't usually build crit on, so many PD stats are somewhat wasted. 2) these champs also tend to be somewhat tanky, so the health from IS is always nice. 3) I think the passive is really fun. It might now be game breaking but it's just fun to watch chain lightning bounce around. I built it on Kennen today purely for the lols. What do you guys think? I've gotten it after Boots/Randuins/Reverie on Rammus and it felt good. I've also gotten it on Amumu and Shy but didn't like it AS much, although its still fun. What I came to realize about Ionic on Warwick is that its basically a GP5 Item, because it greatly increases the amount of assists you get in any teamfight. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:39 sob3k wrote: What I came to realize about Ionic on Warwick is that its basically a GP5 Item, because it greatly increases the amount of assists you get in any teamfight. Shouldn't you get all the assists anyway if you use your W? | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:22 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I've been jungling kayle. Have maybe 20 games with her. I feel like she's fine in solo queue, I just don't play her well enough to get significantly over 50% win rate. Gonna be jungling twitch next. I think I figured out how to make him work (lifesteal) but I really don't want anyone copying me. So don't do it gais! Uhm... it doesn't work at all. Forget I said anything... and don't try it. It's a stupid idea. *shifty eyes* I've jungled Kayle quite a bit and i think she's honestly total shit as a jungler, her range is just too damn small, gank potential basically nonexistant. You end up squishy if you try to get your clear speed any good and just get blown up in fights because of the tiny range. Late game the ult shield becomes really crazy good, but she's just a bad pick for jungle. Clears way slower than Shyvanna and with way less gank and teamfight potential if you're going for AOE and fast clears. If you think about her kit really she's just a crappy rearranged version of nocturne | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:39 sob3k wrote: What I came to realize about Ionic on Warwick is that its basically a GP5 Item, because it greatly increases the amount of assists you get in any teamfight. On the topic of WW and IS. Does it proc from attacks during his ult? If so thats another guaranteed 115dmg to his target and 3 others. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 24 2012 09:47 Zooper31 wrote: On the topic of WW and IS. Does it proc from attacks during his ult? If so thats another guaranteed 115dmg to his target and 3 others. It does, if you stack it to 3 before you ult you can squeeze 2 procs out of it too. | ||
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