EPTOn January 24 2012 11:44 Seuss wrote:
Wraiths respawn after 50 seconds, not 55.
Wraiths respawn after 50 seconds, not 55.
Huh, learn something new.
[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 92
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Huh, learn something new. | ||
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pschiu
Singapore410 Posts
On January 24 2012 10:37 overt wrote: It's weird but I've seen that trend a lot at low level play. AD carries get like 2-3 Doran's and then rush Zeal before a major damage item. Sometimes they'll rush PD before getting a BF sword item too. I don't understand why they do it, maybe like one or two games they could do it and they'd realize they do zero damage if they get Zeal before a BF sword item but eventually they'd have to recognize, "shit I do zero damage building zeal first." I asked someone who did this why they rushed Zeal first and their response was, "I can back door easier." Actually I did the math, say for a level 6 Vayne with just a greaves, a zeal gives roughly the same dps as a bf sword, assuming you just stood there to shoot and used no abilities nor kite (of course this doesn't happen in a real game). But the point is early atk spd *does* increase your "no-kite no-ability dps" much more efficiently than atk dmg. I also think people rush zeal first cos it's much cheaper than a bf sword and they might not have banked enough on their first back. I dunno, personally at ~1200 gold I might get a pickaxe if for nothing else other than to ease my last hitting. But then I'm an AD carry noob. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
..unless you crit. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
On January 24 2012 12:03 Two_DoWn wrote: EG v Goose in a scrim. Plenty o streams to choose from. Ayup and is that a jungle Leona and Salce Vlad I spot? I DO THINK SO! Not to mention Sejuani. Which will be a first for me watching. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 24 2012 11:54 pschiu wrote: Actually I did the math, say for a level 6 Vayne with just a greaves, a zeal gives roughly the same dps as a bf sword, assuming you just stood there to shoot and used no abilities nor kite (of course this doesn't happen in a real game). But the point is early atk spd *does* increase your "no-kite no-ability dps" much more efficiently than atk dmg. I also think people rush zeal first cos it's much cheaper than a bf sword and they might not have banked enough on their first back. I dunno, personally at ~1200 gold I might get a pickaxe if for nothing else other than to ease my last hitting. But then I'm an AD carry noob. Vayne is one of the best carries to open zeal/PD on though (assuming you actually wanted to). Her ult is an ad steroid and her W scales off of attack speed so you're getting better gains than anyone else basically. Almost all the ad carries have some ability that scales with ad, and none of these abilities are bad to use (except maybe Caitlyn Q) so their standing DPS is a poor statistic. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
Does anyone have any matchup advice for her? Specifically who's hard and who I should clean up. I've been doing well except for one lane vs AP Sion, who killed me twice with the assistance of a noctourne ganking. I play Sion and have beaten several LB's, but I think you could come out on top as LB with a little push from the jungler and if you get a kill or two it should snowball in your favor a lot. Am I right about this? It seems like he really outdamaged me early, if I went for a Q to W into him he would come out even or ontop just with stun and a few autos. Obviously pushing is a huge problem. It seems like lvl 1 Q is very weak, i'm waiting until 3 to really start harassing, but even then i dont feel very strong until 5-6 compared to other AP mids damagewise. Should I be going for Q into W aggressively while watching their cooldowns or the more conservative W into Q poke most of the time? Why do people say LB falls off so hard? It seems to me that while she does fall off a bit like alot of mids, she still had great ratios and absurd mobility and consistancy. It doesn't seem anywhere as bad as Sion for instance, as she can still get her job done with her blink keeping her safe. You can also do a fat load of AOE damage with a WRR combo over a wall or something if you think people wont have the reaction time to target you or to finish them off. People whine about LB late unbelievably, but they'd never speak up about Kass late, who is pretty similar. So any tips for LB vs Sion and other matches? | ||
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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
and then after that they listen to moron salce "don't take blue, leave it for later" then the enemy team takes it. Stupid jungling, why would dan dinh listen to salce, salce isn't the jungler. and then they lose because aoe beats less aoe. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
for the record: >leblanc's spells are all relatively low range (her W) or require her to be put in a non-safe location for their full effectiveness (her E) >leblanc has no AoE damage to speak of >leblanc has no unconditional CC that is why leblanc falls off. no other ap carry suffers from all 3 of these problems lategame | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On January 24 2012 12:50 overt wrote: You can open Zeal on an AD carry. But at 20 minutes when all you have is Zeal + pickaxe and the enemy AD has IE you're going to find yourself losing every team fight. I'm trying to figure out why you're inexplicably 2k behind the enemy AD at the 20 minute mark. Seems like that's the reason you're losing every teamfight, and not the fact that you opened zeal. Should you be at BF sword + PD (ok thats like 4.3k rather than 4.0k) you're not really going to be THAT disadvantaged, and maybe the additional mobility COULD make up for your lower per-attack damage? | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On January 24 2012 13:05 gtrsrs wrote: i thikn the "why does LB fall off" should be one of the questions not to ask in GD haha for the record: >leblanc's spells are all relatively low range (her W) or require her to be put in a non-safe location for their full effectiveness (her E) >leblanc has no AoE damage to speak of >leblanc has no unconditional CC that is why leblanc falls off. no other ap carry suffers from all 3 of these problems lategame Also she is single target. Late game leblanc isnt the problem, as she can still deal a lot of damage and gib anyone but the tankiest characters even late game. What people really mean is that her TEAMFIGHT is weak. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
no AoE implies single target I think. :D I agree though; LB doesn't fall off in damage but really falls off in what she brings to the team as a whole. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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Nehsb
United States380 Posts
On January 24 2012 13:05 SnK-Arcbound wrote: That was some insight by dan dinh about why soraka kept going missing from her lane, she was going into the jungle to heal twitch because he's very slow killing things in the jungle. I didn't consider that at all. and then after that they listen to moron salce "don't take blue, leave it for later" then the enemy team takes it. Stupid jungling, why would dan dinh listen to salce, salce isn't the jungler. and then they lose because aoe beats less aoe. They lost because their engages were terrible, not because of too much aoe. Ulting their janna and then collapsing on her in such a grouped up manner is just asking to get destroyed by rumble ult. Hopefully now that EG is actually practicing they'll be able to figure out how to play as a team, they have incredible individual skill but currently their teamwork is pretty lacking. You could see it when they started playing scrims again, just stupid stuff like nobody leashing blue for dan. | ||
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On January 24 2012 13:05 gtrsrs wrote: i thikn the "why does LB fall off" should be one of the questions not to ask in GD haha for the record: >leblanc's spells are all relatively low range (her W) or require her to be put in a non-safe location for their full effectiveness (her E) >leblanc has no AoE damage to speak of >leblanc has no unconditional CC that is why leblanc falls off. no other ap carry suffers from all 3 of these problems lategame LeBlanc's W is her only short range spell. Q is 700, while most targeted abilities are shorter (Anine Q 625, Malz E 650, Kass Q 650, etc. E is 1000 range, making it one of the longest ranged abilities of any champ in the game. R uses the ranges of other abilities. At 40% CDR, her ult is a 15 second CD and her Q is 4 seconds. I contend that the reason LeBlanc generally falls off is because people keep wanting to W in and out immediately, wasting much of her E and all of W's damage. If you played her more like Kass and sort of stuck to the sides poking down, then W'd in for a quick bit of burst or silence like Kass would do with Rift Walk, you'd end up being more effective than just trying to w1qre something and instagib it. Yeah, she has minimal AoE, but that point is overstated. Lots of mages don't have unconditional CC, as well. Look at Karthus with only wall, Cass needing to hit a facing target or skillshot W, Heimer's E, etc. Really I find the main thing LeBlanc has to worry about is not getting CC'd when she tries to W into an entire team to gib a carry, but maybe you just should stop trying that if being cc'd is likely. | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
That was a big problem for them too. AP Rumble/AP Raka, but twitch was a rather unsuccessful jungle, so he was just a slowbot twitch. If Sivir had been contained, magic resist would have covered them. Sivir was not contained. Battle Maiden lusted. | ||
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