EPTholy crap btw, did they make the shop screen switch categories faster?
and thank you for the replies~ gonna give that a try
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
holy crap btw, did they make the shop screen switch categories faster? and thank you for the replies~ gonna give that a try | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On January 19 2012 07:23 NeoIllusions wrote: I dunno about Ez but Corki needs some type of mana item unless he's spec'd with Mana Regen runes. Trinity isn't bad on them, per se. doublelift goes straight up infinity edge phantom dancer. Trinity really just never made sense to me on him, and manamune is... not a good item. It's 'efficient' relative to base item costs, but you can get mana more efficiently, and you can get ad more efficiently, so it's not efficient relative to other actual, completed items. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On January 19 2012 08:42 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Somebody was talking about how they hid in the bush with sona and people would facecheck them and they'd get first blood every game even at 1500 elo ^_^ You'd also do more damage with apen unless they come to lane with less armor than you have pen. that almost happened to me. sona sivir in the bush, I was soraka and I almost died if I didn't have w and summoner heal both. best way to start the lane is making someone leave. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:45 turdburgler wrote: i know you havent done the math, doesnt mean you dont have a reason.... what are peoples opinions on spirit vissage on renek? if you dive into a team fight and Q i swear to god it heals for millions. more healing on top of that would make him real tonky. Fair enough. My bad. I haven't done the math but I've kept this full ArPen page out of personal experience. That said, I concede that my personal experience may not the most optimal. I've never tried Visage on Renekton. I used to get it on Yorick but not in a long time. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
I'm not sure if it matters that his ad ratios are over 1 though (at least on fury empowered attacks). I don't see why it would since that shouldn't be a large portion of his damage, but I don't mathcraft cause I always do it wrong  | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:54 NeoIllusions wrote: Fair enough. My bad. I haven't done the math but I've kept this full ArPen page out of personal experience. That said, I concede that my personal experience may not the most optimal. I've never tried Visage on Renekton. I used to get it on Yorick but not in a long time. it says in the tooltip Q has a healing cap of 150/450. is that per target? because if its total cap then nevermind, spirit would be a complete waste. On January 19 2012 09:57 Skithiryx wrote: From my experience with Renek ever since the new Masteries came in your're better off running AD Quints+Reds, if you know you're going to be fighting a tanky target you can just use 50 fury on dice but in general i've found with Masteries+Bruta you have more then enough. maybe i am number 1 derp but i hate to blow my fury on dice. double duration stun real stronk | ||
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Skithiryx
Australia648 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:54 NeoIllusions wrote: Fair enough. My bad. I haven't done the math but I've kept this full ArPen page out of personal experience. That said, I concede that my personal experience may not the most optimal. I've never tried Visage on Renekton. I used to get it on Yorick but not in a long time. From my experience with Renek ever since the new Masteries came in your're better off running AD Quints+Reds, if you know you're going to be fighting a tanky target you can just use 50 fury on dice but in general i've found with Masteries+Bruta you have more then enough. | ||
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:56 turdburgler wrote: it says in the tooltip Q has a healing cap of 150/450. is that per target? because if its total cap then nevermind, spirit would be a complete waste. penetration works into negatives, if you have more armor ignore than they have armor it becomes amazing. for just 10 more penetration than they have armor you are getting a 10% damage increase vs them? maybe i am number 1 derp but i hate to blow my fury on dice. double duration stun real stronk no it doesnt, only reduction works like that | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:56 turdburgler wrote: it says in the tooltip Q has a healing cap of 150/450. is that per target? because if its total cap then nevermind, spirit would be a complete waste. penetration works into negatives, if you have more armor ignore than they have armor it becomes amazing. for just 10 more penetration than they have armor you are getting a 10% damage increase vs them? maybe i am number 1 derp but i hate to blow my fury on dice. double duration stun real stronk Penetration does not work into negatives. You can't penetrate armor that doesn't exist. You can get armor reductions to shoot them into negative armor, but those are calculated before penetration so it's nearly impossible.
is the order of calculation I believe. read more | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:57 Vei wrote: qq i just died to a gp 1v1 top, why am i so aggressive lol GP is fucking retarded to face. | ||
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
just killed him 2x in a row now X) i always suck so bad lvl1-3 for some reason | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 19 2012 10:01 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Penetration does not work into negatives. You can't penetrate armor that doesn't exist. You can get armor reductions to shoot them into negative armor, but those are calculated before penetration so it's nearly impossible.
is the order of calculation I believe. read more i was misspeaking then, i knew what i meant :D complete brain fart then, might as well delete that part. | ||
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:02 barbsq wrote: i think part of the problem (from what i remember anyways, may not be the case now) was that a lot of times babysitters babysat melee champions, which inevitably means that in a 2v2 scenario, the melee guy is going to miss out on some last hitting opportunities, so there was this idea that part of a support's job is to actively get what your carry can't reach for denying and gold, which leads to some CS. Ranged carries are really the only role so far that has ever really been properly 'babysat' in LoL (afaik), and they have access to far more CS than melee champions do, which i think led to this idea that supports shouldn't even touch the lane. What I do is to try and grab the cs that they can't reach and to grab about 1 every 2 waves or so after the first few waves, kus let's be honest, no matter how good you are, noone gets 100% perfect cs. It's kinda annoying in lol tho, kus u get completely crucified for it, even if it was totally justified. I remember one time where my carry wasn't even there and he freaked out that i was getting last hits (he had gone to go grab red), which is just plain stupid. you should ofc allways CS when your carry is not there. Same goes for junglers, especially if you just ganked a lane then you should push that lane ASAP IMO. But as far as babysitting goes: theres a reason you never CS when you play an AD+support lane out of simple math. The dota reference is wrong on many levels. Omni is a semi carry and not a support, which is two tiers above the support role (the lowest) in the farming chain. Babysitters in Dota dont CS as well (as long as the carry is able to get the lasthit), and there are sometimes even 2 babysitters for 1 carry. however: the ad carry+support lane is not the only duo lane that works as everyone knows here. AD+support is just the safest way to get your carry farmed in a lot of scenarios. However there are some popular AP carries that get shit on by some of the ranged ADs (kassadin comes to mind). I feel the 'supports need farm too' statement kinda wrong especially if we talk about ward money. Your team gets way better map awareness when everyone wards a little bit while the support does the big chunk. Top and bot have to ward anyways to survive ganks. Mid and jungle should ward too since they are the most mobile. So letting the support farm so he can buy more wards probably only hurts the team as a whole. In the other hand there are some supports that furfill their role way better with some items than without. Especially the tank-supports like taric, leona and mb even alistar. Soraka can be quite strong with some tankyness or AP. Sona in the other hand really doesnt need anything but boots and the stuff you pick up with your base income I guess the same is true for janna as well. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 19 2012 09:59 sob3k wrote: What's your guys opinion of Bloodrazor? Should it ever be bought, or is it pretty much always better to go some other armor breaking combo to deal with tanky people? I lol, if i had a nickel for every time this question comes up, lol. This and gp5 basically what I think is that bloodrazor is going to be a bad pick if you're going to be going standard AD damage build. Last whisper is going to get you a lot more mileage vs high armor targets. On the other hand, it's one of the strongest dps items by itself, so if your build is centered around it, it can be good, but if you've got shit like IE or bloodthirster or pdancer, get last whisper. It's also fallen out of favor as being the 'only dps item' (it had a brief moment of popularity) because wits end fulfills a similar sort of role for soooo much less, bloodrazor is just a really expensive item. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 19 2012 10:05 Vei wrote: just killed him 2x in a row now X) i always suck so bad lvl1-3 for some reason Renek is stronk vs non-sustain lanes. Bursting is np when you can spin twice into range. | ||
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