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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 19 2012 07:48 requiem wrote: anything wickd does on irelia works, full ad runes, no ad runes, aegis, phage, ignite, heal, ghost, anything :D sounds like someone needs a nerf | ||
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deskscaress
United States399 Posts
yeah, xin zhao following riot's logic at least | ||
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CeriseCherries
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On January 19 2012 07:45 Qualm wrote: A single Trinity will do more than a single PD late-game, but PD will allow you to buy other items since it costs less. Saying that trinity is for midgame and PD for late really isn't true however, especially since sheen procs scale entirely off of your base AD that only goes up with levels. The proc is the only real thing that scales into the late-game though. The stats on it are mid game oriented, a lot of small to medium sized numbers (30 AP, 30 AD, etc), while late game items like BT, IE, and PD give more "bang for the buck", so to speak. It's hard to justify buying a 4k+ item for the Sheen proc. Almost better just to get Sheen and start on regular AD items. Also, Gunblade is kind of fun on him. The AP doesn't add much, but with the Spellvamp you can fire an ult into a teamfight and get half your health back. I've been building Boots - Sheen - Ionian Boots - BT/PD/IE/LW core in whatever order necessary, upgrade Sheen and get Gunblade later, or maybe just get another BT. Usually don't get that far. I'll do Bruta if I want to crap on them early. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On January 19 2012 07:59 Haemonculus wrote: Has anyone tried mundo out recently? I've never really played him much but he just got some buffs and going where I please sounds fun. Let's be serious Rhav, you already go where you please. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
You should rush warmogs all the hog+dorans+spirit visage stuff just doesn't work both the regen and mass health pool on warmogs is essential for mundo, also you don't want to leave top before you hit at least level 11 otherwise his ultimate is too weak to be going too rambo. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On January 19 2012 07:30 Qualm wrote: Trinity is great on Corki, Ez and Sivir. It's actually very cost-effective if you can use all the stats and it's VERY slot-effective. I wouldn't get it if you can't use absolutely everything on it however. The days of trinity of every champion are sadly a thing of the past xD I don't really like Trinity, especially on Sivir. I just feel like I have no damage. You can herpaderp around as much as you want with kiting and procs but if you don't hit your stride when you finish it your team just dies before you can kill anything.. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On January 19 2012 07:45 Qualm wrote: A single Trinity will do more than a single PD late-game, but PD will allow you to buy other items since it costs less. Saying that trinity is for midgame and PD for late really isn't true however, especially since sheen procs scale entirely off of your base AD that only goes up with levels. that may be true if you look at level 18 and ONLY pdancer and ONLY triforce, but when you look at those items in combination with infinity edge and last whisper, then i'm pretty sure that pdancer beats out triforce in terms of damage, because pdancer scales incredibly well with other dps items. The phage and sheen parts of triforce dont. So you're looking at zeal stats and the triforce proc scaling with other items (tho the proc would only scale with %penetration from LW, yes?), and zeal stats are obviously less than pdancer stats. edit: typo | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
I might be wrong, because I attacked him quite a bit in teamfights registering that he build no real full tank items but it might have won his team the game because in that last teamfight I definitely needed to be on xerath' nuts. It was more likely that free nash we gave them when we were way ahead but I baited riven into fighting for too long and we both died after I killed a full hp xerath from 20% myself  I think wits end+trinity or ionic+trinity would have been fine. HP is probably a bit better than MR on irelia for early game it lets you be braver in teamfights. He had very little armour for mots of the game but skarner did his best to keep pete out of the fights by building pure tank and running to him. It worked pretty damn well because skarners perma slow with an mf who has horrible mobility. Wickd's score was a bit misleading because his domination of top and and high cs and farm was somewhat to do with riven dcing at level 1 and then riven giving us 2 free dragons while wickd afkarmed top. Also I died at least twice to him for absolutely no reason. He's very good at irelia so he very rarely misses mistakes people make so it doesn't matter if his build is off, a bit like my udyr I always get good scores without trying because I usually feel just who I can kill and who I can't. EDIT: GODDAMN i'm so mad I lost that game, lol. Kennen just countered irelia so hard we had no buisness losing it I just am not playing too well today. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 19 2012 06:23 Phrost wrote: Can anyone explain to me why I find omnikight so much fun to play but despise all supports in LoL? Probably because Omni isn't a support in the no-farm, babysit sidelane, pull-creeps sense? He needs gold and levels to hit his stride and isn't good at babysitting. Though TBH I still think that zero-farm supports the way people play them in LoL is wrong. Letting a support get 40-60 CS over the course of the game like supports in DotA do, just to get items out faster and have some extra ward money actually makes a pretty big difference. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 19 2012 08:11 Slayer91 wrote: I acutally think wickds irelia build there was pretty bad the only reason they won was because I did a few very stupid things and it probably lost us the game. He got extremely fed if he bought full tank he would have been a bigger terror I think. I might be wrong, because I attacked him quite a bit in teamfights registering that he build no real full tank items but it might have won his team the game because in that last teamfight I definitely needed to be on xerath' nuts. It was more likely that free nash we gave them when we were way ahead but I baited riven into fighting for too long and we both died after I killed a full hp xerath from 20% myself I think wits end+trinity or ionic+trinity would have been fine. HP is probably a bit better than MR on irelia for early game it lets you be braver in teamfights. He had very little armour for mots of the game but skarner did his best to keep pete out of the fights by building pure tank and running to him. It worked pretty damn well because skarners perma slow with an mf who has horrible mobility. Wickd's score was a bit misleading because his domination of top and and high cs and farm was somewhat to do with riven dcing at level 1 and then riven giving us 2 free dragons while wickd afkarmed top. Also I died at least twice to him for absolutely no reason. He's very good at irelia so he very rarely misses mistakes people make so it doesn't matter if his build is off, a bit like my udyr I always get good scores without trying because I usually feel just who I can kill and who I can't. EDIT: GODDAMN i'm so mad I lost that game, lol. Kennen just countered irelia so hard we had no buisness losing it I just am not playing too well today. Xerath was probably my MVP of that game. He tore your team apart and even one combo'd YellowPete at tower npnp. Wickd on Irelia is just being Wickd. It's hard to tell what's good and what's bad only because he's so proficient with Irelia. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On January 19 2012 08:14 TheYango wrote: Probably because Omni isn't a support in the no-farm, babysit sidelane, pull-creeps sense? He needs gold and levels to hit his stride and isn't good at babysitting. Though TBH I still think that zero-farm supports the way people play them in LoL is wrong. Letting a support get 40-60 CS over the course of the game like supports in DotA do, just to get items out faster and have some extra ward money actually makes a pretty big difference. I agree with this. Even support need some items to make more of an impact come team fights. It's just a matter of when to let your supports get farmed that your carries don't fall behind. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 19 2012 08:01 Requizen wrote: The proc is the only real thing that scales into the late-game though. The stats on it are mid game oriented, a lot of small to medium sized numbers (30 AP, 30 AD, etc), while late game items like BT, IE, and PD give more "bang for the buck", so to speak. It's hard to justify buying a 4k+ item for the Sheen proc. Almost better just to get Sheen and start on regular AD items. Also, Gunblade is kind of fun on him. The AP doesn't add much, but with the Spellvamp you can fire an ult into a teamfight and get half your health back. I've been building Boots - Sheen - Ionian Boots - BT/PD/IE/LW core in whatever order necessary, upgrade Sheen and get Gunblade later, or maybe just get another BT. Usually don't get that far. I'll do Bruta if I want to crap on them early. You're underestimating the strength of the proc. Bonus 150% base damage every 2 seconds, and on Corki/Ez you will be getting that proc every 2 seconds, accounts for quite a large dps increase. You're essentially increasing your base damage by 75% every second. That's easily an approximate 20~30% dps increase through Triforce procs alone. Not to mention the phage slow proc is amazing for not only chasing but gives you a self-peel, making you even harder to kill. The mobility from the zeal portion is also quite strong and the crit chance synergizes well with IE. Not to mention Triforce gives you a little bit more survivability so you can 1v1 shit with much more ease. Also, it's worth noting that Corki's passive works on damage dealt before mitigation, which includes the bonus damage from Triforce procs. Triforce doesn't give you the raw damage IE does, but it gives you very well-rounded stats that, in the hands of the right champion, can be very efficient and powerful. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On January 19 2012 07:58 CeriseCherries wrote: How to play v kennen in mid? Its so hard to trade when he gets hextech, and its so hard to kill him with lightning rush, and he can farm like a bastard If you want to beat him, play Sion, Swain, or Annie. Three of them can kill him with varying difficulty. Annie needs to survive till 6. Flash>ult>Q>E>ignite him. He should die. Swain can take him once he gets lvl 3. You need to stop him from moving because he is a little bastard to catch. Either bait his lightning rush and then slow>E>Nevermove or try and land the Nevermove on him, preferrably when lightning rush is on CD for him. Sion is so retarded to face. You can't trade with him and he is just going to shove your lane so hard. I would just farm and try not to die. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On January 19 2012 08:20 NeoIllusions wrote: Xerath was probably my MVP of that game. He tore your team apart and even one combo'd YellowPete at tower npnp. Wickd on Irelia is just being Wickd. It's hard to tell what's good and what's bad only because he's so proficient with Irelia. The thing is I shut down xerath in the very first teamfights straight away. Once wickd got so fed I just paid too much attention to him I thought he'd snowball and kill everyone but It was pretty silly with kennen and alistar. Sivir had no items at all I should have dived into him that last fight and riven and kennen would have easily backed me up. Skarner was coming in from behind to ulti pete and no way wickd and sivir could stop me going on xerath with kennen ult in there. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 19 2012 08:14 TheYango wrote: Probably because Omni isn't a support in the no-farm, babysit sidelane, pull-creeps sense? He needs gold and levels to hit his stride and isn't good at babysitting. Though TBH I still think that zero-farm supports the way people play them in LoL is wrong. Letting a support get 40-60 CS over the course of the game like supports in DotA do, just to get items out faster and have some extra ward money actually makes a pretty big difference. Getting that philo early helps a lot too, and I think people should start giving the support a few early cs just to rush it a bit faster. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
On January 19 2012 08:37 Alzadar wrote: Has anyone ever tried running full AD + crit damage runes on Ashe and trying to first blood them with your initial crit + volley? It seems to come out to about 285 damage just from the one auto + volley, so if you throw in a support with any kind of level 1 damage you'd have a pretty threatening lane. I actually saw this once, back when Orianna was initially released. The ashe went mid vs her and basically her Initial crit, volley, and flash +1 auto attack killed the orianna. pretty lolz. Though I have no idea if the ashe went crit damage, etc. :p | ||
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