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On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now...
RoA? We really talking about jax here? The mana from rod of ages is a complete waste, you don't need it, the hp is decent and the AP is decent, but jax is an autoattacker, you want ad aswell.
The sustain from gunblade makes up for the hp on RoA, and the AD makes up for the 10AP difference. It's only 600g more.
Gunblade is better for teamfights, not only does it increase your dmg output, it's way way better for cleaning up aswell because the sustain lets you 1v1 or 1v2 anyone(before the patch 1v3 huehue).
AP Jax is bad anyways now that his E scales off AD.
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On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane.
His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good.
And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword..
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On January 19 2012 02:13 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... RoA? We really talking about jax here? The mana from rod of ages is a complete waste, you don't need it, the hp is decent and the AP is decent, but jax is an autoattacker, you want ad aswell. The sustain from gunblade makes up for the hp on RoA, and the AD makes up for the 10AP difference. It's only 600g more. Gunblade is better for teamfights, not only does it increase your dmg output, it's way way better for cleaning up aswell because the sustain lets you 1v1 or 1v2 anyone(before the patch 1v3 huehue). AP Jax is bad anyways now that his E scales off AD.
Jax's W doesn't scale off AD now though. This fact annoys me more than any of the other changes. I dunno why the fact that E only scales off AD can be used as an argument that AP Jax is bad when the vast part of Jax's dps comes from his W and R.
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On January 19 2012 02:05 ZeromuS wrote:
I tried swapping the minimap yesterday to the left since I'm more used to that in SC2 but i've realised the UI really really was never designed for it. It looks terrible. Would others agree with me on this one or am I alone?
Also: Since im still forced to play unranked I know next to nothing about how matchmaking works is there some sort of hidden ELO that it uses to place you against others?
I tried that but I found that since the map is set up with lanes going from bottom left to top right sometimes I would end up clicking the minimap unintentionally which is never cool. Also looks terrible haha.
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On January 19 2012 02:17 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:13 JackDino wrote:On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... RoA? We really talking about jax here? The mana from rod of ages is a complete waste, you don't need it, the hp is decent and the AP is decent, but jax is an autoattacker, you want ad aswell. The sustain from gunblade makes up for the hp on RoA, and the AD makes up for the 10AP difference. It's only 600g more. Gunblade is better for teamfights, not only does it increase your dmg output, it's way way better for cleaning up aswell because the sustain lets you 1v1 or 1v2 anyone(before the patch 1v3 huehue). AP Jax is bad anyways now that his E scales off AD. Jax's W doesn't scale off AD now though. This fact annoys me more than any of the other changes.
Yep didn't even notice it at first because it wasn't in the patch notes.
Dodge runes still in the game atm but need that armour in lane now.
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On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now...
I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one.
Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\
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On January 19 2012 02:21 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one. Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\
Wriggles somewhat defensive, it good in lane, let's you just farm and jump and shit. Not a big defensive item though.
Also the new E animation sucks, not only does it look stupid, it breaks the autoattack animation.
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So what cheap champion should I buy to learn the game with I have ashe right now and Im enjoying playing her but its quite hard sometimes since I find no one understands that someone who isn't super squishy has to lane with me.
I also get the odd person who just steals all my last hits and gets far to aggressive with their melee to do it. Then with like 10% of their health they teleport home and I'm left to try and farm what I can against 2 other people in the lane.
As a noob should I be focusing on just farming as much as possible and getting really good items or should I be helping to participate in fights when their whole team tries to push mid for example?
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I noticed people don't play fizz much anymore, but he's still good in the jungle with is passive, and with his two dashes a good ganker too.
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On January 19 2012 02:29 ZeromuS wrote:
So what cheap champion should I buy to learn the game with I have ashe right now and Im enjoying playing her but its quite hard sometimes since I find no one understands that someone who isn't super squishy has to lane with me.
I also get the odd person who just steals all my last hits and gets far to aggressive with their melee to do it. Then with like 10% of their health they teleport home and I'm left to try and farm what I can against 2 other people in the lane.
As a noob should I be focusing on just farming as much as possible and getting really good items or should I be helping to participate in fights when their whole team tries to push mid for example?
annie is good, teaches you and rewards last hitting, is powerful and only 450 points
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On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword..
His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane.
You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway.
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On January 19 2012 02:26 JackDino wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:21 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one. Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\ Wriggles somewhat defensive, it good in lane, let's you just farm and jump and shit. Not a big defensive item though. Also the new E animation sucks, not only does it look stupid, it breaks the autoattack animation.
Wriggles is a hybrid item. Not in the sense of AP/AD, but in offense/defense. While RoA has AP on it, the lion's share of it's stats (and the reason a lot of people buy it) is the health and mana. It's not quite a pure defensive item like Aegis or something, but it definitely leans more toward the defensive side. Plus, it only gives health, and no lifesteal/spellvamp, so you still get pushed out of lane if you get low. Wriggles (or any sustain item) allows you to stay in lane much longer.
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On January 19 2012 02:44 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:26 JackDino wrote:On January 19 2012 02:21 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one. Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\ Wriggles somewhat defensive, it good in lane, let's you just farm and jump and shit. Not a big defensive item though. Also the new E animation sucks, not only does it look stupid, it breaks the autoattack animation. Wriggles is a hybrid item. Not in the sense of AP/AD, but in offense/defense. While RoA has AP on it, the lion's share of it's stats (and the reason a lot of people buy it) is the health and mana. It's not quite a pure defensive item like Aegis or something, but it definitely leans more toward the defensive side. Plus, it only gives health, and no lifesteal/spellvamp, so you still get pushed out of lane if you get low. Wriggles (or any sustain item) allows you to stay in lane much longer.
I remember a time where people got Cataylst because it's hellalot of sustain in lane. =P
People buy RoA because they a) can use ALL the stats b) want the most cost-efficient item in the game for all of those stats and c) want a solid sustain-y opening (catalyst).
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On January 19 2012 02:35 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:29 ZeromuS wrote:
So what cheap champion should I buy to learn the game with I have ashe right now and Im enjoying playing her but its quite hard sometimes since I find no one understands that someone who isn't super squishy has to lane with me.
I also get the odd person who just steals all my last hits and gets far to aggressive with their melee to do it. Then with like 10% of their health they teleport home and I'm left to try and farm what I can against 2 other people in the lane.
As a noob should I be focusing on just farming as much as possible and getting really good items or should I be helping to participate in fights when their whole team tries to push mid for example? annie is good, teaches you and rewards last hitting, is powerful and only 450 points
Ok, what is a good guide for annie or set of things to buy? Im still very new so I have no clue what I should be buying when I go to shop most of the time
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On January 19 2012 02:21 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one. Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\
Straight defensive ? It gives more AP than gunblade XD Even though you don't make use of the full mana pool, Jax is a caster. He doesn't really on his pure auto attacks to kill somebody and has very spammable spells which you can use to gain lane advantage.
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On January 19 2012 02:54 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:35 turdburgler wrote:On January 19 2012 02:29 ZeromuS wrote:
So what cheap champion should I buy to learn the game with I have ashe right now and Im enjoying playing her but its quite hard sometimes since I find no one understands that someone who isn't super squishy has to lane with me.
I also get the odd person who just steals all my last hits and gets far to aggressive with their melee to do it. Then with like 10% of their health they teleport home and I'm left to try and farm what I can against 2 other people in the lane.
As a noob should I be focusing on just farming as much as possible and getting really good items or should I be helping to participate in fights when their whole team tries to push mid for example? annie is good, teaches you and rewards last hitting, is powerful and only 450 points Ok, what is a good guide for annie or set of things to buy? Im still very new so I have no clue what I should be buying when I go to shop most of the time
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245668
If you ever have a question about builds for certain champs its always good to do a search to see if we have a thread dedicated to that champ.
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On January 19 2012 02:54 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:21 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one. Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\ Straight defensive ? It gives more AP than gunblade XD Even though you don't make use of the full mana pool, Jax is a caster. He doesn't really on his pure auto attacks to kill somebody and has very spammable spells which you can use to gain lane advantage.
I would rather have revolver than catalyst on Jax basically at all times, and just by that itself I would rule out ROA on Jax 100% of the time even without touching upon the fact that you just don't need all that mana.
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On January 19 2012 02:54 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:21 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one. Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\ Straight defensive ? It gives more AP than gunblade XD Even though you don't make use of the full mana pool, Jax is a caster. He doesn't really on his pure auto attacks to kill somebody and has very spammable spells which you can use to gain lane advantage.
It gives more ability power after you give it time to level up. It takes 6 extra minutes to become higher than Gunblade. While not a huge amount of time, to me that's time I'd rather spend with Gunblade, abusing it, and getting more kills/items.
That said, I'm low on sleep and at work, I could be talking out my ass.
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On January 19 2012 02:59 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:54 ZeromuS wrote:On January 19 2012 02:35 turdburgler wrote:On January 19 2012 02:29 ZeromuS wrote:
So what cheap champion should I buy to learn the game with I have ashe right now and Im enjoying playing her but its quite hard sometimes since I find no one understands that someone who isn't super squishy has to lane with me.
I also get the odd person who just steals all my last hits and gets far to aggressive with their melee to do it. Then with like 10% of their health they teleport home and I'm left to try and farm what I can against 2 other people in the lane.
As a noob should I be focusing on just farming as much as possible and getting really good items or should I be helping to participate in fights when their whole team tries to push mid for example? annie is good, teaches you and rewards last hitting, is powerful and only 450 points Ok, what is a good guide for annie or set of things to buy? Im still very new so I have no clue what I should be buying when I go to shop most of the time http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245668If you ever have a question about builds for certain champs its always good to do a search to see if we have a thread dedicated to that champ.
Oh we have TL guides for them XD Like I said im really new to the game and didnt realise ppl made guides on TL good to know off to read while I have some lunch :D
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On January 19 2012 02:54 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:21 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 02:02 mr_tolkien wrote:On January 19 2012 02:01 Requizen wrote:On January 19 2012 01:47 mr_tolkien wrote:
The whole «Gunblade still core» doesn't sound right to me. I tried it and really it's just not an efficient item on Jax now. A rageblade is as good in pure burst and cheaper, a Triforce give a better burst and better all around stats, a Rylais provide perma slow, ... Gunblade really is in the middle of all this, sub-par on every front >.>
And furthermore, it doesn't give any attack speed, which is much needed on Jax for teamfights. Eeh, Gunblade gives really good sustain, which is necessary for him now that he doesn't have his huge ass health pool. You need something, whether it's lifesteal or spellvamp. Gunblade happens to give both, and decent stats otherwise, and a slow if you don't have one already. I'd rather have BT/WotA together, but that is pretty damn expensive. RoA gives you plenty of sustain in lane. It even gives you mana to EWQ them every 30s without any problem. Plus a lot of AP. Gunblade seems pretty damn expensive for the stats it has now... I don't think I'd want RoA, to be honest. You're a high damage dealer, so lifesteal/spellvamp already gives you a crapton of EHP, and items that give those stats also give damage stats as well (Gunblade, WotA, BT, Wriggles, etc). RoA would be great if you needed a lot of tankiness or scaled with health or something, but Jax's job is to get in and 1v1 the crap out of someone, not try to take all the damage and survive. You just need enough sustain to focus down your target and escape/get to the next one. Basically, I just don't think I'd straight buy a defensive item that early in the game :\ Straight defensive ? It gives more AP than gunblade XD Even though you don't make use of the full mana pool, Jax is a caster. He doesn't really on his pure auto attacks to kill somebody and has very spammable spells which you can use to gain lane advantage.
It gives 10 more AP than gunblade, it gives 0 AD. If you have mana issues on jax by the time you get a catalyst I can't really tell you anything other than that you play jax wrong. I've never had mana issues on jax.
Sure if you use everything whenever it's not on cd you'll run oom, but that goes for everyone with a manapool.
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