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I don't think you can get away often with NOT grabbing a Wriggle's top on Jax, just because a lot of top laners are scary and I haven't figured out how to terror people enough that I don't need it. Maybe I need better runes. So getting Gunblade for the sustain isn't really compelling. And Gunblade gives decent stats in a vacuum, but I think it's a poor choice to get early because you generally will only get to build one offensive item, and then you have to build some survivability unless you're going full glass cannon. Triforce is great in that role, and I'm pretty sure it also gives you more damage and useful stats. Movespeed is really good on Jax.
If you rush a Gunblade I think Gunblade -> Nashor's Tooth is pretty legit. I dunno, I really want that item to be good.
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I'm juggling with the thought of going wriggles -> revolver -> tanky items on Jax. I'll probably spend the next week just playing around with Jax whenever I have free time.
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On January 19 2012 03:04 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 19 2012 02:54 ZeromuS wrote:On January 19 2012 02:35 turdburgler wrote:On January 19 2012 02:29 ZeromuS wrote:
So what cheap champion should I buy to learn the game with I have ashe right now and Im enjoying playing her but its quite hard sometimes since I find no one understands that someone who isn't super squishy has to lane with me.
I also get the odd person who just steals all my last hits and gets far to aggressive with their melee to do it. Then with like 10% of their health they teleport home and I'm left to try and farm what I can against 2 other people in the lane.
As a noob should I be focusing on just farming as much as possible and getting really good items or should I be helping to participate in fights when their whole team tries to push mid for example? annie is good, teaches you and rewards last hitting, is powerful and only 450 points Ok, what is a good guide for annie or set of things to buy? Im still very new so I have no clue what I should be buying when I go to shop most of the time http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245668If you ever have a question about builds for certain champs its always good to do a search to see if we have a thread dedicated to that champ. Oh we have TL guides for them XD Like I said im really new to the game and didnt realise ppl made guides on TL good to know off to read while I have some lunch :D
Not a big fan of Ashe, you may want to try Tryndamere or Master Yi.
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On a sick 4game winning streak w/ roaming AD eve. Shit's so cash.
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On January 19 2012 03:20 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:04 ZeromuS wrote:On January 19 2012 02:59 Two_DoWn wrote:On January 19 2012 02:54 ZeromuS wrote:On January 19 2012 02:35 turdburgler wrote:On January 19 2012 02:29 ZeromuS wrote:
So what cheap champion should I buy to learn the game with I have ashe right now and Im enjoying playing her but its quite hard sometimes since I find no one understands that someone who isn't super squishy has to lane with me.
I also get the odd person who just steals all my last hits and gets far to aggressive with their melee to do it. Then with like 10% of their health they teleport home and I'm left to try and farm what I can against 2 other people in the lane.
As a noob should I be focusing on just farming as much as possible and getting really good items or should I be helping to participate in fights when their whole team tries to push mid for example? annie is good, teaches you and rewards last hitting, is powerful and only 450 points Ok, what is a good guide for annie or set of things to buy? Im still very new so I have no clue what I should be buying when I go to shop most of the time http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245668If you ever have a question about builds for certain champs its always good to do a search to see if we have a thread dedicated to that champ. Oh we have TL guides for them XD Like I said im really new to the game and didnt realise ppl made guides on TL good to know off to read while I have some lunch :D Not a big fan of Ashe, you may want to try Tryndamere or Master Yi.
... wat?
ashe is a great place to start. With ashe it's very important to learn last-hitting, positioning, and basic skillshots (volley + arrow) as well as timings for initiation, which gives you a good sense for when teamfights are going to happen and how to start teamfights. If you just mean you dont like ashe as a champion regardless of its teaching benefits, then that may be a different story (everyone is entitled to their own opinion) but as a teaching tool ashe is very involved and basically forces you to learn very important skills for this game. Tbh, i actually think that while rightclick-to-win champions like trynd/yi may be easier to just pick up and play and do well, they don't actually force you to learn that much about the game, so in the end it just depends on what you want out of the game.
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On January 19 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword.. His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane. You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway.
...what champion are you playing with that doesn't have ANY form of harass? You have abilities of your own you know. And if you let him pull ahead by a couple cs he pushes his lane and becomes easily gankable.
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On January 19 2012 03:33 Ian Ian Ian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword.. His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane. You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway. ...what champion are you playing with that doesn't have ANY form of harass? You have abilities of your own you know. And if you let him pull ahead by a couple cs he pushes his lane and becomes easily gankable.
implying he won't just out heal any harass you do, then slow you, then kill you under your tower.
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On January 19 2012 02:34 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I noticed people don't play fizz much anymore, but he's still good in the jungle with is passive, and with his two dashes a good ganker too.
His jungle was better in the old one weirdly enough, because what make him a good jungler is the W, and more creeps less hp per creep is a bad change for him. 
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On January 19 2012 03:33 Ian Ian Ian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword.. His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane. You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway. ...what champion are you playing with that doesn't have ANY form of harass? You have abilities of your own you know. And if you let him pull ahead by a couple cs he pushes his lane and becomes easily gankable.
i disagree. Trynd is one of the more annoying ppl to gank in top lane (relatively speaking) due to spin + damage reduction + burst heal.
edit: standard anti-melee types are really strong vs trynd tho. Vayne, swain and pantheon all squash trynd in my experience. I'm sure there are others too
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On January 19 2012 03:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:33 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword.. His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane. You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway. ...what champion are you playing with that doesn't have ANY form of harass? You have abilities of your own you know. And if you let him pull ahead by a couple cs he pushes his lane and becomes easily gankable. implying he won't just out heal any harass you do, then slow you, then kill you under your tower.
If he has to heal, he has no rage and his autos are no threat. I've never had any problems with trynd on the old jax and GP, jax just shat on him completely and on GP I just Q him whenever and auto him(make sure to Q either before or after auto, poison 2gud) when he goes for a cs.
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On January 19 2012 03:39 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:33 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword.. His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane. You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway. ...what champion are you playing with that doesn't have ANY form of harass? You have abilities of your own you know. And if you let him pull ahead by a couple cs he pushes his lane and becomes easily gankable. i disagree. Trynd is one of the more annoying ppl to gank in top lane (relatively speaking) due to spin + damage reduction + burst heal. edit: standard anti-melee types are really strong vs trynd tho. Vayne, swain and pantheon all squash trynd in my experience. I'm sure there are others too
and Ryze and Kennen. I've done well with Sivir also.
and Nidalee I think
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On January 19 2012 03:39 barbsq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:33 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword.. His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane. You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway. ...what champion are you playing with that doesn't have ANY form of harass? You have abilities of your own you know. And if you let him pull ahead by a couple cs he pushes his lane and becomes easily gankable. i disagree. Trynd is one of the more annoying ppl to gank in top lane (relatively speaking) due to spin + damage reduction + burst heal. edit: standard anti-melee types are really strong vs trynd tho. Vayne, swain and pantheon all squash trynd in my experience. I'm sure there are others too
Trynd has a pretty hard time against almost all of the early game lane bullies like Gangplank, Renekton, and Riven. His early game is rather weak, imo.
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A lot of people advise starting players to start with an AD, which makes some sense but i'd think some casters like Ryze or maybe Annie would be easyer provided you've got semi-fast fingers? While AD is about constantly repositioning, harassing etc those AP's seem more straightforward to me; throw your combo! Ofcourse there's a lot of extra nuances but if you get this down you're a long way in already. Anyway, I guess a lot of it is up to personal preference, and personally I think it's best if people just fuck about on their own till lvl 15 or something before starting to advise them on the specifics ^^
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On January 19 2012 03:49 Promises wrote:
A lot of people advise starting players to start with an AD, which makes some sense but i'd think some casters like Ryze or maybe Annie would be easyer provided you've got semi-fast fingers? While AD is about constantly repositioning, harassing etc those AP's seem more straightforward to me; throw your combo! Ofcourse there's a lot of extra nuances but if you get this down you're a long way in already. Anyway, I guess a lot of it is up to personal preference, and personally I think it's best if people just fuck about on their own till lvl 15 or something before starting to advise them on the specifics ^^
i believe that anyone can pick any one champion and learn a lot of skills from it. IMO, the best way to learn the game (from level 1 that is) is to just try a bunch of stuff, and fuck the people who say 'no you should do this, this and this'. It isn't until you have a basic grasp of the full game that you should really start paying attention to what other people think. That way you can adjust your knowledge of the game based on what other people say, rather than having it spoon-fed to you.
granted tho, this is kinda an in-depth and fairly intensive way to learn and requires some commitment, so if you just want to play LoL to dick around with your friends for a month or so then it's not really necessary, so i guess it comes down to what you want out of the game.
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I think the most important thing is to play every champion a couple of times, because so many of my deaths when I was just starting were from stuff like "wow I didn't know he could stun me"
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Jax is amazingly squishy now, wow.
Kinda sad he's more of an AP bruiser now. AD doesn't scale well on him like before.
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On January 19 2012 04:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
Jax is amazingly squishy now, wow.
Kinda sad he's more of an AP bruiser now. AD doesn't scale well on him like before.
More squishy, but he can still 1v1 so many people. Jumpin in, timing E right, and spamming that W. Plus, his ult is like, the best steroid I can think of.
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On January 19 2012 03:49 Promises wrote:
A lot of people advise starting players to start with an AD, which makes some sense but i'd think some casters like Ryze or maybe Annie would be easyer provided you've got semi-fast fingers? While AD is about constantly repositioning, harassing etc those AP's seem more straightforward to me; throw your combo! Ofcourse there's a lot of extra nuances but if you get this down you're a long way in already. Anyway, I guess a lot of it is up to personal preference, and personally I think it's best if people just fuck about on their own till lvl 15 or something before starting to advise them on the specifics ^^
I always advise any new friend playing to pick up Annie and try her. Her skills are all incredibly intuitive to use and there really isn't much going on. Her Q allows for easy last hits and helps sure up their understanding of why it's so important. While she lacks an escape, a lot of new players wont ward or have good enough map awareness to escape ganks if they come anyway.
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On January 19 2012 03:46 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2012 03:39 barbsq wrote:On January 19 2012 03:33 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:13 Ian Ian Ian wrote:On January 19 2012 02:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 19 2012 02:05 Ian Ian Ian wrote:
Why did the nerf trynd again? Everyone bitches about his sustain so I guess the hp5 is viable but his early level dmg wasnt ridiculous or anything. And I feel like the rage thing just makes jungle tryn completely unviable because now there's no way to gank with any rage, unless you go from maybe wraiths to mid, in which case youll still already be losing rage unless you use your spin :/
And the riven nerf is hardly even a nerf wtf. The problem has always been how Rivenhas a shield an escape a steroid and insane cc, with no mana cost. And they nerf.. nothing really. So dumb Clearly you haven't tried to trade with Tryndamere early when he crits twice... I never liked jungle Tryn anyway. He couldn't really get the farm necessary to carry as hard as he can like he does in lane. His ult makes him one of the best tower divers though from jungle. He has a really different kind of gank then alot of other junglers, which was good. And dont trade hits with tryn when he has a full rage meter..duh. That's the only reason he is ftom right now, people are dumb enough to be like herp derp he has 39% crit at lvl 1? Who cares I want first bloooood -die-. If you harass him he has to use that q to health, en to build up q he has to auto attack creeps and push lane. It's a double edged sword.. His ult makes him just as good of a tower diver in lane. You don't have much of a choice to get hit by him. If you try to cs, you whacks you and you die. If you stay back, he out farms out, and you die anyway. ...what champion are you playing with that doesn't have ANY form of harass? You have abilities of your own you know. And if you let him pull ahead by a couple cs he pushes his lane and becomes easily gankable. i disagree. Trynd is one of the more annoying ppl to gank in top lane (relatively speaking) due to spin + damage reduction + burst heal. edit: standard anti-melee types are really strong vs trynd tho. Vayne, swain and pantheon all squash trynd in my experience. I'm sure there are others too Trynd has a pretty hard time against almost all of the early game lane bullies like Gangplank, Renekton, and Riven. His early game is rather weak, imo.
I agree. Trynd's early game is probably his weakest point. However, lucky crits can seriously turn that around.
Champs like Riven/GP are major pains for trynd pre-wriggles. However I've found that once you *do* have wriggles and fully stacked fury, you win auto-attack trades pretty handily.
And again, randomly critting GP in the face for 180+ damage at lvl1 instantly demoralizes your opponent and gives you a lot more lane control.
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Watching dan dinh's stream. he's doing so fucking bad. it's quite hilarious.
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