EPT[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 168
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
Wriggle's is an early/midgame dead-end item. As such, it has a high cost efficiency but you might have to sell it later on. IE is a lategame item. Its strength is multiplicative scaling with other items. IE only becomes really strong once you spend like 8k. Phantom Dancer isn't really important for this DPS calculation. You probably could replace it with 5-10 different items and get similar results. It provides movespeed, though, and that's the main reason for choosing PD over another item. Wriggle's+PD is a build you use if you want a strong midgame and high mobility - in other words a build that is suited very well for jungle invasion. IE builds are best if you expect a rather passive early/midgame. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23386 Posts
I'd like to see 5-10 items with similar DPS than phantom dancer at least after a decent amount of AD. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23386 Posts
On January 30 2012 10:47 Ryuu314 wrote: SS is faster/easier to type than MIA. One thing I like about dota over LoL is that people use ss instead of mia  I don't think I've ever seen MIA used on EU. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
On January 30 2012 20:58 Slayer91 wrote: I don't think I've ever seen MIA used on EU. I use it sometimes when I get bored typing 'ss' like 5 times in a minute xD | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 30 2012 20:58 Slayer91 wrote: I don't think I've ever seen MIA used on EU. True. Having a DotA background, I used to type MIA a lot back when I starte playing League, but I got annoyed of explaining it really quickly. Since I stopped using it, I think I've seen it about 2 times within the span of about 800 games. | ||
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RandomAccount#49059
United States2140 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 30 2012 18:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Pretty sure it's exponential lol. So it's really really harsh :3 someone should confirm that tho ;d I did not actually test it, but I played a lot of Nunu back in the days, and I feel like it's: Low base damage - linear slow damage inrease over the 3 seconds - massive damageboost to max damage if you finish channeling. Massive as in, I think you can only get to ~half the damage by 2.5 seconds. On the other hand, it also does a bit of damage if it's interrupted instantly, so it's a weird scaling. Could be wrong, but that's how it feels like. | ||
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
On January 30 2012 21:27 stormtemplar wrote: Really? At 1050 on NA, MIA is pretty ubiquitous DAT READING COMPREHENSION! Sorry, more serious response: the whole discussion was about how Europeans tend to use SS (for miSSing) instead of MIA, mainly because it's easier/faster/more intuitive to type. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
There's nothing wrong with storm butting in sounding surprised and saying that where he is MIA is used. He obviously understood that the discussion was mostly about EU and his post hardly even changes the subject. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
On January 30 2012 20:47 spinesheath wrote: It's not surprising at all that any Wriggle's build is at the very least close to an IE build at 4-5k gold spent. Wriggle's is an early/midgame dead-end item. As such, it has a high cost efficiency but you might have to sell it later on. IE is a lategame item. Its strength is multiplicative scaling with other items. IE only becomes really strong once you spend like 8k. I don't think Riot actually had any of these thoughts in mind when they made the items / math or it isn't true. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:26 phyvo wrote: I don't see how SS is more intuitive. MIA is actually used in *some* context outside of video games to mean the same words that it does in game, I've never heard of someone saying that a soldier or my car keys were SS. When people said "call MIA" and such I knew instantly what it stood for and what it meant, I can only wildly assume it's less obvious over in EU because many of them aren't first language English speakers or something. There's nothing wrong with storm butting in sounding surprised and saying that where he is MIA is used. He obviously understood that the discussion was mostly about EU and his post hardly even changes the subject. Then again, you are american. Ive never said my carkeys were MIA, but I have said they were missing. If anything SS is shorter and on the same part of the keyboard. MIA is a usa kinda thing, europeans dont really use it. If you go on EU servers, people know what ss means, hardly anyone pays attention to mia. Its the other way round on US servers. Its all good  Aslong as my teammates say something before I die  | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:27 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: I don't think Riot actually had any of these thoughts in mind when they made the items / math or it isn't true. I'm pretty sure most of the original items started as "let's copy DotA items and balance them later". | ||
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Xedat
Germany358 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:26 phyvo wrote: I don't see how SS is more intuitive. MIA is actually used in *some* context outside of video games to mean the same words that it does in game, I've never heard of someone saying that a soldier or my car keys were SS. When people said "call MIA" and such I knew instantly what it stood for and what it meant, I can only wildly assume it's less obvious over in EU because many of them aren't first language English speakers or something. There's nothing wrong with storm butting in sounding surprised and saying that where he is MIA is used. He obviously understood that the discussion was mostly about EU and his post hardly even changes the subject. Only a small percentage of the European population speaks well enough to know the implications of "missing in action". So you will have to learn what ss and mia mean regardless. Hence, the easier to use version is the better one. For Americans it might be easier to use mia because people know what it means instinctively and don't have to learn ss. So it doesn't really matter what you say. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
Just about every item has its uses. Slot efficiency has nothing to do with how good/bad an item is. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
on topic: i only write ss if i have no clue where my lane opponent is. if he went to base i write nothing, if he goes to another lane i'll ping three times in the direction he's going. i just wish there would be more pings. like an attack ping, a retreat ping, a movement ping and maybe something like a push ping. I've heard DotA2 has a good system... | ||
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anmolsinghmzn2009
India1783 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:37 TheYango wrote: I'm pretty sure most of the original items started as "let's copy DotA items and balance them later". Recently I started reading up some of the hero and item descriptions in DOTA wiki cuz I got interested in the game from previews. From my POV (a guy who's only moba experience is LoL) everything seemed imba and broken. I was constantly asking myself - what a nightmare would it be to balance this stuff. Stuff in LoL seems really tame compared to that. That said, most of the stuff in there - like the abilities of heroes and stuff looked really creative and unique to me. I also liked that there were cool passive and active effects on many of the items. @doxa I read somewhere that you can draw stuff on the map in DOTA 2. | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On January 30 2012 22:58 Zhiroo wrote: How do you deal vs Malphite as Kennen? I had a game last night where he totally dominated like it was no contest at all (Went like 0-6-2 during laning phase). My team won the game because late game he just sucked and did bad ultis whereas mine were good and in time. use q to last hit and stay out of range, you will lose every trade with him. rare example of malphite countering an ap just because of how kennen is designed (a singular poke that is nullified by his shield unless you commit, and you'll just get raped if you do that | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On January 30 2012 23:56 Brees wrote: use q to last hit and stay out of range, you will lose every trade with him. rare example of malphite countering an ap just because of how kennen is designed (a singular poke that is nullified by his shield unless you commit, and you'll just get raped if you do that ...until you get revolver/will at which point Malphite is a goddamn joke to you because he doesn't do damage vs. a kennen with spell vamp. | ||
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