EPT[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion - Page 167
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jadoth
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:10 57 Corvette wrote: I bought brand, wow he is so fun. I'l have to practice a bit with him before i put him into my ranked roster, but what i've seen so far He is really good if you can land the skillshots. Also bought cryocore. Was thinking of vandal, but then I saw the ingame model and didn't like it. Coolfact: if brand can land all 4 skills and ignit ewith a few autos mixed in he can kill the other champ most of the time if he has low mr and low base hp | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:12 Inflicted_ wrote: AP Nunu suffers the same problem as AP Cho'gath. RoA doesn't make you tanky enough because you still lack the Armor/Mres to tank their entire team when it comes to a teamfight. The other problem is that you don't have enough single-target burst, so you can't pick off their AD like other AP champs would. He is indeed super fun. And his ratios are amazing, BUT he has only 1 (2 with ulti) damage spells. His Q is totally useless in team fights. (superb for securing objectives tho). His W is obv. super awesome for your carry. His E has some nice ratios but is his only reliable damage skill and the range is real short, but well, at least it slows and unless you are empire you should always eat an instant stun or smth when you channel your ult. So your team relies on either fighting in brushes or your carry being so fed that your W can decide the fight. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:12 Inflicted_ wrote: AP Nunu suffers the same problem as AP Cho'gath. RoA doesn't make you tanky enough because you still lack the Armor/Mres to tank their entire team when it comes to a teamfight. The other problem is that you don't have enough single-target burst, so you can't pick off their AD like other AP champs would. RoA, Abyssal, Zhonyas, DC, atmas, FoN? Super cho build if only you could fit in some attackspeed.. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:21 jadoth wrote: how does nunu's ult damage scale as he charges? It scales with a 2.5 AP ratio at full charge. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the damage scales linearly with the charge-up. So if you charge it for 1.5 sec (full charge is 3 sec) it'll deal half damage. | ||
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jadoth
694 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote: It scales with a 2.5 AP ratio at full charge. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the damage scales linearly with the charge-up. So if you charge it for 1.5 sec (full charge is 3 sec) it'll deal half damage. wow that is really harsh. i was expecting something like linear charge starting at like 33% or somthing. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Baker Pantheon, throwing baguettes at you. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Banshee is trash since you pay a lot for the Mana, Abyssal is very expensive, Wits doesn't give that much MR if opponents play double AP, FoN is balanced around paying for a lot of health regen, QSS is nice but still a «low tier» item... When on the armor side you have Randuin, Frozen Heart, and Atma, the MR def looks kinda lackluster. | ||
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UniversalSnip
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R04R
United States1631 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
Throw in all the free mr that champs get from abilities and mr isn't a huge problem Fon is the best single item mr slot. After that just stack negatrons if you need mr but not mana Also mr isn't the only or even the best counter to magic damage. Since magic damage is typically more bursty than sustained compared to physical, hp is very strong against magic damage Aegis + chainmail + negatron is the most cost efficient way to get all good defensive stats iirc. It's just bad item slot usage (yango confirm pls) | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On January 30 2012 17:57 R04R wrote: Atma's doesn't really give that much defense. Randuins and FH combine multiple armor items. Yeah there isn't really a single item as a good source of pure MR, although I wouldn't consider QSS a low tier item. Either stack negatrons or negatron + hp item and then finish your other items. Atma is not highly defensive but provides a nice amount of armor WHILE being cost efective. And for QSS/Negatron stacking, I'm more looking for single slot effectivness ! So hard to itemize MR >x> | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I used to generally ask my team what they want to play to avoid banning them, and went for Vayne or Graves (if requested by our AD carry), Riven, rest junglers (Rammus if the opponent didn't, Skarner, Lee Sin). I've started banning Sivir since she's been picked a lot and generally dominates people during the laning phase, and Riven isn't picked that much. I'd perhaps ban Ahri (for not knowing a reliable way to counterpick her and because she can easily wreck havoc with her ult, cleaning-up ganks or counter-ganks from the jungle whenever somebody emerges at low health), and Vlad if I see him start to get picked because he's so stupid right now, even in his early levels. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:56 Ryuu314 wrote: It scales with a 2.5 AP ratio at full charge. I'm not 100% sure, but I think the damage scales linearly with the charge-up. So if you charge it for 1.5 sec (full charge is 3 sec) it'll deal half damage. Pretty sure it's exponential lol. So it's really really harsh :3 someone should confirm that tho ;d | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On January 30 2012 11:58 Craton wrote: I'm 99% sure it gives the same IP. I was wrong, it gives the same IP (http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=363600). I don't know where I got that from. Sorry. edit: for everyone who wants more insight to the Wriggles/PD vs IE/Vamp scepter on AD carries: http://redd.it/p271f it's a reddit discussion with some calculations and comments from Jatt (which I think makes it valuable) | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On January 30 2012 16:48 Bladeorade wrote: RoA, Abyssal, Zhonyas, DC, atmas, FoN? Super cho build if only you could fit in some attackspeed.. I think most chos go RoA/Frozen Heart anyways, and then build Deathcap if going AP. Wit's end is pretty standard for attack speed. On January 30 2012 16:21 ControlMonkey wrote: Did you build Rylai + Dcap first? It would seem that building one of those tank items first would delay your damage too long. I agree that's a pretty good late game build for any AP champ but I don't know how you can be useful mid game without damage. I don't like going tanky Cass without a WotA because WotA scales really well with defensive stats. The longer you stay alive, the more you spell vamp, which keeps you alive longer, which lets you spell vamp more ... It's much better than buying WotA on an offensive build. I've been seeing people go Doran's into WotA on Gragas and Brand, which is like... what? It's a good item, but it's not a good item on everyone. | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Im AD bot, I freeze the lane just outside my tower, so perfect for ganking and farming, while they have to be on their toes. Suddenly theres a 5man gank on bot, towerdiving me and my support (tp behind us, some flashes). Mid comes over and kills one before scaring the rest off. While Im running back to my lane (this was about lvl5 ~) the AP (Ahri) proceeds to take the full 30 ish creeps that I froze there and runs off. Costing me a good level and alot of gold. The rest of the game Ahri is complaining how my cs and lvl are so low (exactly 20 cs behind and lvl) and why my lane is allways pushing.... Meanwhile she was losing to a katarina on mid... Aaaaaargh, some people. Screw over my lane, complain how my lane is so bad. Some people dont know the thought goes into the farming on bot. brb smurfing with twitch | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On January 30 2012 19:06 DoXa wrote: I was wrong, it gives the same IP (http://eune.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=363600). I don't know where I got that from. Sorry. edit: for everyone who wants more insight to the Wriggles/PD vs IE/Vamp scepter on AD carries: http://redd.it/p271f it's a reddit discussion with some calculations and comments from Jatt (which I think makes it valuable) i think the fact that its even remotely close agrees with what ive been thinking for a long time. firstly, wriggles build is getting you defence. the fact that dps is similar, some free armor is kinda godmode for trading. secondly, everyone loves to talk about how wards buying safety = better farming. well, here we go again, an extra ward constantly will on average allow the wriggles player to lane better. thirdly, and this is subjective. movement speed is hugely underrated by everyone. if you cant keep up with someone/catch them in time your doing 0 dps. phantom dancer makes you fly around shooting all the things. i have no idea how to quantify wriggles procs in terms of gold value. they help you feel like you can rush a dragon more often, but if you were going to get killed doing it, you probably still will be, i dont really know. but its something other people probably have better opinions on. jatt on reddit said theres an 8% difference in favor of IE in 1 build he has done the numbers for, but even at that level id still go wriggles first knowing this information. | ||
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