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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 29 2012 16:11 GMT
#3161
Is it really a zero-sum system? I seem to gain more Elo for won games than I lose for lost games. But then there's also queue dodging which lowers your Elo with no effect on everyone else.
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necrosed
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil885 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 16:13:52
January 29 2012 16:13 GMT
#3162
It is not zero sum because of Elo decay and queue dodges.
Shadow of his former self.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 29 2012 16:16 GMT
#3163
But it IS kind of like mercantilism in the 1400's. Only so much elo to go around, you need to take it from others in order to get any yourself.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
January 29 2012 16:16 GMT
#3164
On January 30 2012 00:06 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 23:17 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
On January 29 2012 23:11 Craton wrote:
On January 29 2012 19:12 pschiu wrote:
Watching bigfatlp's stream, he's been queueing for 14 minutes and still counting lolol.

Highest I've seen jiji get is ~50 minutes. I personally usually get a ranked game in 3-4 minutes, a normal blind in 5-6, and a normal draft in 10-12. Normals being longer than ranked is kinda dumb.


That's pretty weird. I get normals faster than that on SEA lol. And on NA my normal queue is like 30s.

I could be wrong/rude but I think it's because fewer people play at his ELO.

Of course I understand that, I was just surprised that his blind pick queue times were more than ranked. I wouldve imagined it to be the other way round.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 16:25:15
January 29 2012 16:25 GMT
#3165
how should i be building karthus now?
also what summoner spells?
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 29 2012 16:30 GMT
#3166
On January 30 2012 01:25 Frolossus wrote:
how should i be building karthus now?
also what summoner spells?

Ask thur.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238148
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 29 2012 17:17 GMT
#3167
On January 29 2012 18:19 Inflicted_ wrote:
Builds for AD carry that stray away from the glass cannon IE/BT into PD only work in a premade/if you trust your allies enough. Items like Wit's End and early defensive items (Wriggle's) means that you're basically relying on your team (mainly top and mid) to win the teamfights while you just focus on staying alive in order to gain gold/EXP and eventually become strong late-game.

What? This is the exact OPPOSITE of what's true. Defensive/Offensive hybrid items like Triforce and Wit's have BETTER out-of-the-box cost-effectiveness than pure AD items. Late-game is when they get totally outscaled by AD items because of the multiplicative scaling benefits of AD items.

Going conventional pure AD items makes you LESS self-sufficient and MORE team-reliant because of how much comparative protection you need in teamfights.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 29 2012 17:20 GMT
#3168
I seriously think that in addition to whatever mod notes Neo posts at the top of the forum the following message should be at the top of the list every patch:

"DO NOT BE A SHEEP. That means thinking for yourself, understanding why certain things are done, and above all, NEVER use or accept the argument: everyone does X, so it must be right."
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 17:22:04
January 29 2012 17:21 GMT
#3169
On January 30 2012 02:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
I seriously think that in addition to whatever mod notes Neo posts at the top of the forum the following message should be at the top of the list every patch:

"DO NOT BE A SHEEP. That means thinking for yourself, understanding why certain things are done, and above all, NEVER use or accept the argument: everyone does X, so it must be right."

But trying to argue that clarity is good is a whole different story...someone tried using the stop being a sheep argument to justify the use of that ability and prebuff heal...
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 29 2012 17:23 GMT
#3170
On January 30 2012 02:21 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 02:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
I seriously think that in addition to whatever mod notes Neo posts at the top of the forum the following message should be at the top of the list every patch:

"DO NOT BE A SHEEP. That means thinking for yourself, understanding why certain things are done, and above all, NEVER use or accept the argument: everyone does X, so it must be right."

But trying to argue that clarity is good is a whole different story...someone tried using the stop being a sheep argument to justify the use of that ability and prebuff heal...

Id rather have people think about mana regen mechanics and try to come to a better understanding of how to maximize the amount of mana you have in lane than people who blindly accept Clarity is bad simply because no one uses it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 29 2012 17:24 GMT
#3171
Healbait2stronk.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 29 2012 17:26 GMT
#3172
people get away and get killed by ignite as often as they get away because you have no mana. clarity has its uses.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 29 2012 17:35 GMT
#3173
On January 30 2012 02:21 Shiragaku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 02:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
I seriously think that in addition to whatever mod notes Neo posts at the top of the forum the following message should be at the top of the list every patch:

"DO NOT BE A SHEEP. That means thinking for yourself, understanding why certain things are done, and above all, NEVER use or accept the argument: everyone does X, so it must be right."

But trying to argue that clarity is good is a whole different story...someone tried using the stop being a sheep argument to justify the use of that ability and prebuff heal...

"Stop being a sheep" is not an argument in and of itself. Neither is "nobody does it, so it's bad."

The whole point is that we should be judging ideas based on their merits, not based on any predisposition toward or against them.
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Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
January 29 2012 17:44 GMT
#3174
On January 30 2012 02:35 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 02:21 Shiragaku wrote:
On January 30 2012 02:20 Two_DoWn wrote:
I seriously think that in addition to whatever mod notes Neo posts at the top of the forum the following message should be at the top of the list every patch:

"DO NOT BE A SHEEP. That means thinking for yourself, understanding why certain things are done, and above all, NEVER use or accept the argument: everyone does X, so it must be right."

But trying to argue that clarity is good is a whole different story...someone tried using the stop being a sheep argument to justify the use of that ability and prebuff heal...

"Stop being a sheep" is not an argument in and of itself. Neither is "nobody does it, so it's bad."

The whole point is that we should be judging ideas based on their merits, not based on any predisposition toward or against them.


I don't see anything wrong with doing what others are doing.
However, I do agree that one must think about what they're doing instead of blindly following the trend.
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 29 2012 17:57 GMT
#3175
I used to take clarity on Anivia because Ignite range is often too low for her to use it proprely. And she's slow as hellto catch up to people.
Some friend often troll me about that but i thought it was fine.. Beside, what else to use ? Teleport maybe but that's as niche as clarity. :/
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 18:05:40
January 29 2012 18:04 GMT
#3176
On January 30 2012 02:57 Noocta wrote:
I used to take clarity on Anivia because Ignite range is often too low for her to use it proprely. And she's slow as hellto catch up to people.
Some friend often troll me about that but i thought it was fine.. Beside, what else to use ? Teleport maybe but that's as niche as clarity. :/

Teleport is way less niche than Clarity. It was the most common set of summoners for Anivia back when she was bugged so that you could channel TP during Egg (which meant you could start it just as you were about to get egged and get out of a bad spot). Flash/Ghost is "standard" (movespeed/repositioning is extremely good on Anivia), but I can see Flash/Cleanse or Flash/Heal being good also.

The problem with Clarity on Anivia (and on any AP for that matter) is that the amount of mana restored scales as a flat amount, meaning that as a game goes on, and you get more mana/regen/blue buff, it becomes more and more irrelevant. I've said this before, but IMO Clarity would be way more useful if it restored a fixed % of maximum mana, rather than returning a flat amount of mana.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 29 2012 18:16 GMT
#3177
Or if clarity had a passive mana regen boost that doubled or something when you activated it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 29 2012 18:24 GMT
#3178
On January 30 2012 02:17 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 18:19 Inflicted_ wrote:
Builds for AD carry that stray away from the glass cannon IE/BT into PD only work in a premade/if you trust your allies enough. Items like Wit's End and early defensive items (Wriggle's) means that you're basically relying on your team (mainly top and mid) to win the teamfights while you just focus on staying alive in order to gain gold/EXP and eventually become strong late-game.

What? This is the exact OPPOSITE of what's true. Defensive/Offensive hybrid items like Triforce and Wit's have BETTER out-of-the-box cost-effectiveness than pure AD items. Late-game is when they get totally outscaled by AD items because of the multiplicative scaling benefits of AD items.

Going conventional pure AD items makes you LESS self-sufficient and MORE team-reliant because of how much comparative protection you need in teamfights.


You're right, I don't know what I was thinking at the time of the post since I usually have the same view as you.

Wit's End and Wriggle's are better early game since they are relatively cheap and provide a range of stats which are helpful to you, but become less effective late-game as they're going to have void staff/last whisper, you're using an item slot on a lower tier item and delaying the AD items. Building Wit's End/defensive items means that you're forced to capitalize on your early advantage (compared to their AD) in order to be on equal footing with their AD late-game.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
January 29 2012 18:52 GMT
#3179
You lose 20 elo afaik when dodge, aka not advisable.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
January 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#3180
10, as stated several times
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