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On January 06 2012 04:29 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:25 Shiv. wrote:On January 06 2012 04:22 obesechicken13 wrote:On January 06 2012 04:12 Requizen wrote:
Oddone: "Everytime I see someone pick Caitlyn I think they don't play AD's very much, I don't like her as a lane champ anymore"
wat Agree... No AD steroid. People in pro games play too passive and can't zone with her. Not having an AD steroid is important in team fights, not in lane. And you can still harass anyone that goes for a last hit. Not saying she is good, but saying she is not good champion IN LANE is kind of ridiculous. On January 06 2012 04:22 wei2coolman wrote:
You'll actually be keeping up with your lane mates in gold, with runes + gp10 items!
wat. True story, all the games I was playing with roaming AP shaco, I was usually 3rd place in gold amount in my team, which is not bad considering lack of actual farm.
But I'm not sure if that's due to GP10 making up for the lack of farm or the laners you played with farming really poorly. Also, 4 wards pretty much shut any counterjungling down and at this point you'll be behind in both farm (because you didn't get GP10 yet) and XP. It's fun against baddies and in normals, but I'm 100% certain it's not legit once you reach a certain Elo.
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On January 06 2012 04:25 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:22 obesechicken13 wrote:On January 06 2012 04:12 Requizen wrote:
Oddone: "Everytime I see someone pick Caitlyn I think they don't play AD's very much, I don't like her as a lane champ anymore"
wat Agree... No AD steroid. People in pro games play too passive and can't zone with her. Not having an AD steroid is important in team fights, not in lane. And you can still harass anyone that goes for a last hit. Not saying she is good, but saying she is not good champion IN LANE is kind of ridiculous.
Oh. Yeah that makes sense. Caitlyn is still great in lane.
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I solo'd baron with jungle taric once, before the remake.
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On January 06 2012 04:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:03 deskscaress wrote:On January 06 2012 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:On January 06 2012 03:51 Craton wrote:
Multiple d/cs in my last two games.
Getting real old, Riot. Same, took 4 tries to get through champ select. When i finally got in a game, 1 dc on my team, 2 on enemy team at exact same time. Fortunately, gtrsrs was on the enemy team ;P so manner, ganking as soon as our 2 d/c  also real manner duoing with a plat on a smurf lol Idk who that guy was, but he was a total dick. I reported him afterwards. He claimed he was hightemplar or something? And yeah, it was pretty bm, but I've learned to do whatever I need to in order to win in solo q. <3
oh... he plays with liquid party a bit
i assumed you were duo'd
my bad!
oh well nbd nbd
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Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process.
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On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process.
Works fine with TSM but he'd do better in solo q if he adapt a bit more. His Skarner is reminiscent of his Nunu. It's all about map control.
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I was mad from losing my 19/4/15 game due to a D/C so my third game when the enemy Noct d/ced I immediately gp ulted them and got a baron + win off it.
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On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process.
Yeah, I hate his Skarner. His Rammus is pretty bad, too. He tries to play everything like it's a support.
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On January 06 2012 04:36 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process. Works fine with TSM but he'd do better in solo q if he adapt a bit more. His Skarner is reminiscent of his Nunu. It's all about map control.
really? last time I ran into his skarnar in solo queue he went wriggle's -> triforce, LOL.
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I see him do a lot of weird crappy builds on Skarner. I saw him go Triforce once a few days ago, but that game was already a stomp.
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On January 06 2012 04:22 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:12 Requizen wrote:
Oddone: "Everytime I see someone pick Caitlyn I think they don't play AD's very much, I don't like her as a lane champ anymore"
wat Agree... No AD steroid. People in pro games play too passive and can't zone with her.
Technically Caitlyn's passive is a steroid. It's not the best steroid but it's still ~8-21% more damage on average. The bigger issues are, I think, how her ultimate and skillset in general don't translate well into the late game. She's strong when fighting in enclosed spaces where she's already placed a few traps, but that's a fairly limited condition.
Support Caitlyn is funny though, especially when supporting an AD Annie. >.>
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On January 06 2012 04:39 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process. Works fine with TSM but he'd do better in solo q if he adapt a bit more. His Skarner is reminiscent of his Nunu. It's all about map control. really? last time I ran into his skarnar in solo queue he went wriggle's -> triforce, LOL.
To be fair, OddOne does a shitton of build iterations on stream, it's quite nice to follow along assuming you have the hours to stalk his stream.
Compared to saint, you see more "testing" by OddOne while saint is more about mechanics and jungle timing. You also have OddOne's rage rants vs Drunk saint, huehue.
OddOne's go to Skarner build is probably Pendent + pot => Philo => Boots => HoG => Merc Treads => Glacial => Shurelya's => FH. Aegis tossed in somewhere if he needs more MR. It's pretty damn tanky overall.
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To be fair neo, I think Saint does more crazy jungle testing than odd one, while oddone does more build testing for individual jungles. Like Saint's jungle rumble was basically the catalyst for clg deciding that wota stack was op (although he started doing rumble after seeing Dig do it and wondering how he could get a wota in the jungle).
Like I think saint tests stuff by doing crazy shit like jungle urgot then seeing if there is any universal truth that can be pulled by building different shit on crazy jungles.
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On January 06 2012 04:48 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:39 Mogwai wrote:On January 06 2012 04:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process. Works fine with TSM but he'd do better in solo q if he adapt a bit more. His Skarner is reminiscent of his Nunu. It's all about map control. really? last time I ran into his skarnar in solo queue he went wriggle's -> triforce, LOL. To be fair, OddOne does a shitton of build iterations on stream, it's quite nice to follow along assuming you have the hours to stalk his stream. Compared to saint, you see more "testing" by OddOne while saint is more about mechanics and jungle timing. You also have OddOne's rage rants vs Drunk saint, huehue. OddOne's go to Skarner build is probably Pendent + pot => Philo => Boots => HoG => Merc Treads => Glacial => Shurelya's => FH. Aegis tossed in somewhere if he needs more MR. It's pretty damn tanky overall.
I'm pretty sure that he upgrades to shurelya's before glacial for stronger ganks when possible 
OddOne seems mad on stream, prolly because if he loses then he is even further from losing his uniform
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On January 06 2012 04:48 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:39 Mogwai wrote:On January 06 2012 04:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process. Works fine with TSM but he'd do better in solo q if he adapt a bit more. His Skarner is reminiscent of his Nunu. It's all about map control. really? last time I ran into his skarnar in solo queue he went wriggle's -> triforce, LOL. To be fair, OddOne does a shitton of build iterations on stream, it's quite nice to follow along assuming you have the hours to stalk his stream. Compared to saint, you see more "testing" by OddOne while saint is more about mechanics and jungle timing. You also have OddOne's rage rants vs Drunk saint, huehue. OddOne's go to Skarner build is probably Pendent + pot => Philo => Boots => HoG => Merc Treads => Glacial => Shurelya's => FH. Aegis tossed in somewhere if he needs more MR. It's pretty damn tanky overall.
hmm, dphat (the guy I duo with sometimes) has a wit's end mixed into the same build. with skarnar's kit, I think you should have at least 1 attack speed item and wit's just seems like the best fit.
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On January 06 2012 04:37 Craton wrote:
Yeah, I hate his Skarner. His Rammus is pretty bad, too. He tries to play everything like it's a support.
Even if he played a "carry" jungler, do you think Regi, TRM, or Chaox would give up enough farm for it to work? It's not like any of them play very support-ish laners, except when Regi is playing Zilean.
You don't get farm to appear from nowhere. It has to come off somebody else, which means that one of the laners (usually mid or top) has to step down into a more supportive role. You don't magically get a 4th carry for free.
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Wit's End is defo an item skarners should consider grabbing. Far too good for the money.
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On January 06 2012 04:51 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:48 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 06 2012 04:39 Mogwai wrote:On January 06 2012 04:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process. Works fine with TSM but he'd do better in solo q if he adapt a bit more. His Skarner is reminiscent of his Nunu. It's all about map control. really? last time I ran into his skarnar in solo queue he went wriggle's -> triforce, LOL. To be fair, OddOne does a shitton of build iterations on stream, it's quite nice to follow along assuming you have the hours to stalk his stream. Compared to saint, you see more "testing" by OddOne while saint is more about mechanics and jungle timing. You also have OddOne's rage rants vs Drunk saint, huehue. OddOne's go to Skarner build is probably Pendent + pot => Philo => Boots => HoG => Merc Treads => Glacial => Shurelya's => FH. Aegis tossed in somewhere if he needs more MR. It's pretty damn tanky overall. hmm, dphat (the guy I duo with sometimes) has a wit's end mixed into the same build. with skarnar's kit, I think you should have at least 1 attack speed item and wit's just seems like the best fit.
I remember saint running wit's as his first big (medium?) item on jungle skarner. Also saw it on his jungle shyvanna and fizz
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On January 06 2012 04:51 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2012 04:48 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 06 2012 04:39 Mogwai wrote:On January 06 2012 04:36 NeoIllusions wrote:On January 06 2012 04:35 Sandster wrote:
Oddone's Skarner is cringe worthy. He NEVER buys offensive items, and he sits there attacking someone for 37 seconds before finally dying himself while doing no damage in the process. Works fine with TSM but he'd do better in solo q if he adapt a bit more. His Skarner is reminiscent of his Nunu. It's all about map control. really? last time I ran into his skarnar in solo queue he went wriggle's -> triforce, LOL. To be fair, OddOne does a shitton of build iterations on stream, it's quite nice to follow along assuming you have the hours to stalk his stream. Compared to saint, you see more "testing" by OddOne while saint is more about mechanics and jungle timing. You also have OddOne's rage rants vs Drunk saint, huehue. OddOne's go to Skarner build is probably Pendent + pot => Philo => Boots => HoG => Merc Treads => Glacial => Shurelya's => FH. Aegis tossed in somewhere if he needs more MR. It's pretty damn tanky overall. hmm, dphat (the guy I duo with sometimes) has a wit's end mixed into the same build. with skarnar's kit, I think you should have at least 1 attack speed item and wit's just seems like the best fit.
This is my point, all you need is SOMETHING on him (wit's end, guinsoo, sheen, triforce, whatever your gold allows) and then can build tanky. But Oddone never gets anything, except maybe after they lose a huge teamfight (usually after he has at least 5 defensive items) and he goes "OMG my team does no damage I better get some damage".
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I'm not sure how applicable some of the shit that saint does is in a srs setting. Rumble definitely came to mind. (Although I didn't realize he got the idea of jungle Rumble from Dig. I still say it's ineffective)
If you want... saint is exploratory testing, OddOne is more refinement testing. You rarely see OddOne jungle with unorthodox champions. Panth is probably the farthest out there he goes.
Edit: Real GD... tries to respond to Two_DoWn, gets bumped down by 6 people. wtf
Edit2: I'd go either Wit's End (tried and true) or Sheen on Skarner. Sheen is cheap and easy to proc with Skarner's Q. Also builds into Trinity if game goes long enough. I am not sold at all on Rageblade. For it's cost, I don't see how it fits in. Get it too early, you get blown up, bad crab. Get it late, you have better options than Rageblade, like Atma..
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On January 06 2012 04:55 NeoIllusions wrote:
I'm not sure how applicable some of the shit that saint does is in a srs setting. Rumble definitely came to mind. (Although I didn't realize he got the idea of jungle Rumble from Dig. I still say it's ineffective)
If you want... saint is exploratory testing, OddOne is more refinement testing. You rarely see OddOne jungle with unorthodox champions. Panth is probably the farthest out there he goes.
On that note, I respect both for always furthering their understanding of jungling and the game as a whole. It's also why I get annoyed when people solo queue and never actually play their team role (cough Chauster or Elementz).
Oddone's Shaco is HILARIOUS too.
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