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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 27 2011 17:17 GMT
#3721
On December 28 2011 02:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
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On December 28 2011 01:53 turdburgler wrote:
people seem to complain a lot about soraka/sona + graves/vayne, and yet i never see teams who are getting first pick ban out 1 ad and 1 support then first pick in their prefered ad. the other team has to either waste their first pick on the support giving first pick back essentially or just let you take a super safe bot lane combo.

everyone in ranked seems obsessed with banning sion/morgana/blah blah. and if you try to actually use your bans for some real goal you get threats of people going afk ;/

this is about dumb solo ranked not top lvl play btw -_-

Well to be fair some champs are just solo a stompers. For me, I always ban shaco cause he wrecks solo q like nobodies business. Same with a Sion that goes mobility boots. It's better to just make safe bans than to try for a specific strategy and risk ur baddie teammates letting the other team snowball


ye but the list of "retard farmers" keeps growing longer, you cant ban out every one of them anymore so why try? you can ban 6 and still have 2+ in the game that have a real chance easily punish idiots, so surely the best strat is to use bans to force something you can control? like ad + support match ups, or to get your jungler of choice and then ban out the rest. rather than banning from the huge list of solo top and solo mid champs
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 27 2011 17:23 GMT
#3722
IMO best solo q bans are the stompers and the "really freakin easy to win with and destroy you every time you are against one but every time someone on your team begs you to FP it they fail super hard."
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
December 27 2011 17:35 GMT
#3723
So you ban all the "Press R and click next to people" champs? Morg, Kennen and so on? :D
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 27 2011 17:48 GMT
#3724
Morg, sion, trynd, shaco, rammus, kass would probably be my ideal ban set. There are stronger champs, but those ones fuck up the most games in my experience.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
December 27 2011 17:58 GMT
#3725
I don't ban Sion. I just pick malzahar and mess his day up.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 27 2011 18:27 GMT
#3726
On December 28 2011 02:35 daemir wrote:
So you ban all the "Press R and click next to people" champs? Morg, Kennen and so on? :D


at low elo the new hit r and win meta hasnt just trickled down so its ok
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 27 2011 18:33 GMT
#3727
On December 28 2011 01:30 DoXa wrote:
Chaox doing the same thing as me: ban kennen and rumble, pick tryndamere for top. always win lane never lose game. its ridiculous how strong he is, even after his "nerf".
sure if the enemy team is smart they'll send ryze or vayne or something like that top, but how often will that be the case...

Put Jax top, enjoy free lane.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
December 27 2011 18:35 GMT
#3728
On December 28 2011 02:58 Phrost wrote:
I don't ban Sion. I just pick malzahar and mess his day up.

Huh. Does malz really beat sion that badly?
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 27 2011 18:38 GMT
#3729
The only champ I perma ban is shaco cuz I hate that fucker. Otherwise I like to get rid of tryn Sion morg. I never ban lass cause I play him and if the other team takes him I just go panth and fuck dat kass up
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
December 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#3730
On December 28 2011 03:35 Haemonculus wrote:
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On December 28 2011 02:58 Phrost wrote:
I don't ban Sion. I just pick malzahar and mess his day up.

Huh. Does malz really beat sion that badly?



Most people that play Sion aren't actually good with him. Malz can shit on him all day if you abuse him once his shield pops. And if he tries to get aggressive with a shield/stun combo you can break the shield very easily with a voidling. If he isn't aggressive and just pushes all day then you can push back fairly easily and Malz's E is far more mana efficient than Sion's shield.

The matchup is generally easier in Malzahar's favor but most people who play Sion are just not as skilled as I am with Malz.
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 27 2011 18:47 GMT
#3731
The rule is to never play alone. -ever- League is alot like drinking, you can drink alone but it's generally more fun with friends and no one ever calls you a drunkard in a group. Doing so always you to ban the champions that actually effect you and yer friend/friends champion choices. This week? My bans will be Twitch/Irelia/Trynd. The first two should be obvious, the the last one is because no matter how many times I tell people to just farm off with trynd they try to trade with him with with champions not ment for it and die horridly.

Oddly enough I am considering breaking my rule..
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
December 27 2011 18:55 GMT
#3732
So apparently there's no balance patch, just Viktor when he comes out later this week. Pushed back due to a lack of spotlight, it looks like.
It's your boy Guzma!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 27 2011 19:08 GMT
#3733
On December 28 2011 02:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
Morg, sion, trynd, shaco, rammus, kass would probably be my ideal ban set. There are stronger champs, but those ones fuck up the most games in my experience.


Morg really isn't good, and when I'm first pick, I take mid, so I have no issues going against her. I ban Sion just because I absolutely do not trust my team to know how to deal with a champ with mob boots. Since I main Cass, I like to ban Rammus and Shaco just because I am very aggressive in lane, and they capitalize on that hard.

I've started banning Riven sometimes just because she is ridiculously strong. I also like banning Ahri just cause I don't always deal with her very well in mid.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 27 2011 19:23 GMT
#3734
ive been banning kennen and fiddle since before we had three bans, so i guess if there's an incoming shift to aoe i'm on top of it lol. Fiddle's ganks are just obnoxious, they can singlehandedly make the game unfun to play, and your teammates will feed him every time. Kennen is just the most broken hero, he pretty much IS fiddle but about three times better, so, yeah, i ban him too. I think there a lottttt of pubstomp kennens that have been getting free elo out there for a while.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 27 2011 19:45 GMT
#3735
On December 28 2011 04:08 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2011 02:48 Two_DoWn wrote:
Morg, sion, trynd, shaco, rammus, kass would probably be my ideal ban set. There are stronger champs, but those ones fuck up the most games in my experience.


Morg really isn't good, and when I'm first pick, I take mid, so I have no issues going against her. I ban Sion just because I absolutely do not trust my team to know how to deal with a champ with mob boots. Since I main Cass, I like to ban Rammus and Shaco just because I am very aggressive in lane, and they capitalize on that hard.

I've started banning Riven sometimes just because she is ridiculously strong. I also like banning Ahri just cause I don't always deal with her very well in mid.

Oh I know morg has a ton of counters and isnt very good, same with Kass. The problem is you cant count on your team NOT being a bunch of complete retards when it comes to actually executing the counter.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
December 27 2011 20:04 GMT
#3736
learned a lot from watching stream in a different perspective. i noticed how a lot of these pros don't have the best map awareness as far as what exactly their teammates are doing. as for me, i used to always see what my teammates were doing as often as i could, but i didn't realize by doing this i'm becoming more vulnerable to baits and stupid decisions brought on by the uncertainty of my team.

just played a few games in which i could care less about what my team did as long as they didn't do something outright stupid ~1600. assumed they knew the right decisions to make as individuals and in a way i approached these games as if I were playing a single player game w/ ai on both sides. end result? i played SO MUCH BETTER. and this idon'tgiveafuck attitude hardly gave me stress when i lost.
Tiger got to hunt, bird got to fly; Man got to sit and wonder, 'Why, why, why?' Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land; Man got to tell himself he understand. Vonnegut
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
December 27 2011 20:30 GMT
#3737
If I didn't play Kennen I'd rather ban him than Morg, but I agree with Trynd, Rammus Shaco Sion, and Kass. At my Elo (1500) 90% of people don't know how to play Kennen except for "build WotA never lose lane" and "flash in press R", but it still works which is stupid. That item really needs to get nerfed, it's a crutch for so many bad FotM players.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Ruken
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 20:51:10
December 27 2011 20:41 GMT
#3738
How do the +0.5% seals work? 4.5% of your max health as additional health seems OP
Edit: NM they suck compared to hp per level
MIK Terran
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
December 27 2011 20:43 GMT
#3739
On December 28 2011 05:41 Ruken wrote:
How do the +0.5% seals work? 4.5% of your max health as additional health seems OP

Do the math, you'll find out they're better early and suck late compared to hp/lvl seals:p.
About the morg ban, she's just really annoying to play again herpaderp tormented soil oh look get gold without being in range, derpaderp black shield lul wuts cc?
Lulz I have farm let me ult into your team and kill you all because you try to run away instead of kill me when I have no zhonyas.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
December 27 2011 20:48 GMT
#3740
On December 28 2011 01:53 turdburgler wrote:
people seem to complain a lot about soraka/sona + graves/vayne, and yet i never see teams who are getting first pick ban out 1 ad and 1 support then first pick in their prefered ad. the other team has to either waste their first pick on the support giving first pick back essentially or just let you take a super safe bot lane combo.

everyone in ranked seems obsessed with banning sion/morgana/blah blah. and if you try to actually use your bans for some real goal you get threats of people going afk ;/

this is about dumb solo ranked not top lvl play btw -_-


I ban Tryn, Morg, and Rammus like clockwork... usually the enemy team bans Sion, Kassadin, and Shaco for me (Shaco is sometimes someone else). I'm not really afraid of any of the three the enemy team usually bans, although I realize they can snowball pretty hard if your team is super incompetent.

Tryn tends to snowball even if you shut him down, Morg doesn't really take any amount of work at all to be effective so I don't want a terrible 5th player to get an easy champion. Rammus is obnoxious with ganks, like two or three times worse than Shaco in my opinion. Usually you can turn around and burst Shaco down if he overextends, but you can't really say the same about Rammus unless he is super overextending.
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