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On December 27 2011 18:43 JackDino wrote:
Never gotten a loss forgiven, plenty of times when servers went shit, mass dcs, 3v5, 3v4 w/e, not a single loss forgiven.
Riot really needs to tell people that the jungler isn't their bitch, plenty of games where the jungler gets flamed and blamed for everything.
Jungler got his jungle invaded @ lvl1 and is set back way behind? OMG GANK NOOB WE LOST BOT CUZ U NEVER GANK, shit like that. Makes a lot of people not want to jungle, same for the support but haven't seen support get blamed that much.
Maybe the reward program will improve the general attitude.
I get blamed a ton when I play support. Hell, I even got blamed for carrying once. Or for having useful items - whole map is warded, "WTF JANNA NO GOLD ITEMS".
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Junglers these days don't even try to gank bot because of how heavily warded it is. You're pretty much on your own.
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On December 27 2011 20:00 Craton wrote:
Junglers these days don't even try to gank bot because of how heavily warded it is. You're pretty much on your own.
If you're a good support you can try and counter that by starting with a pink ward and/or buying some later. Obviously the sooner you get oracles the better, but that involves a significant degree of risk that a pink ward doesn't.
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pink ward (assuming you use it to kill an existing ward) costs 25 gold more than normal ward. No reason not to get them to open gank path if you're sure where they warded. Steal that one cs and call it pink tax.
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On December 27 2011 20:35 daemir wrote:
pink ward (assuming you use it to kill an existing ward) costs 25 gold more than normal ward. No reason not to get them to open gank path if you're sure where they warded. Steal that one cs and call it pink tax.
If you Pink right after they ward, you also essentially cost their support 75 gold for no practical gain, so a net gain!
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I usually don't pink ward except for bush control because when I pink gank paths either someone screws up the gank (me, my partner, my jungler) or my jungler never ganks.
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With the new gold mastery you can open fairy charm, (assuming you actually want to buy philo at some point), 1 potion, 2 green wards and a pink ward.
Whenever the enemy support walks off to ward river or tri bush, just go de-ward it and pick up free gold + free ganks.
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On December 27 2011 23:35 phyvo wrote:
I usually don't pink ward except for bush control because when I pink gank paths either someone screws up the gank (me, my partner, my jungler) or my jungler never ganks.
It costs you 25 gold if you know where they put the ward and kill it. Even if no one does gank after you clear the ward, it's 25 gold to pay to make them blind and feel unsafe. Just grab 1 cs from your AD and be done with it. 25 gold is crap cheap to put the other lane to a disadvantage.
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On December 27 2011 23:39 Haemonculus wrote:
With the new gold mastery you can open fairy charm, (assuming you actually want to buy philo at some point), 1 potion, 2 green wards and a pink ward.
Whenever the enemy support walks off to ward river or tri bush, just go de-ward it and pick up free gold + free ganks.
Or you don't go for crappy utility masteries (unless you're Soraka, but she's a special case), and just get some combination of pink/green regardless. A pink lets you go back pretty much whenever you want anyways, because you counterward and sit in a brush - or not, they can't know.
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Yeah you become super ninja if you sit in the bush that you CW, they'll have to burn CV to make sure you've backed.
Pick ward at the start of the game is a huge advantage, there is no reason not to do it really.
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my favorite is when people are pushing their waves all the way to the enemy tower but still yelling at the jungle to come gank
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On December 28 2011 00:14 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 23:39 Haemonculus wrote:
With the new gold mastery you can open fairy charm, (assuming you actually want to buy philo at some point), 1 potion, 2 green wards and a pink ward.
Whenever the enemy support walks off to ward river or tri bush, just go de-ward it and pick up free gold + free ganks. Or you don't go for crappy utility masteries (unless you're Soraka, but she's a special case), and just get some combination of pink/green regardless. A pink lets you go back pretty much whenever you want anyways, because you counterward and sit in a brush - or not, they can't know.
Wtf I run 0/0/30 on almost every support I play!
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Chaox doing the same thing as me: ban kennen and rumble, pick tryndamere for top. always win lane never lose game. its ridiculous how strong he is, even after his "nerf".
sure if the enemy team is smart they'll send ryze or vayne or something like that top, but how often will that be the case...
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On December 27 2011 17:54 tobi9999 wrote:
just won the most epic ass 4v5 in ranked to gain 8 ELO
we didn't have a top laner and jungler refused to go, so did bot lane. But everytime we went for dragon, I would get doubles with cassiopeia. Also, our ashe literally landed every single fucking arrow she shot. Like I got 2 kills for free because a random arrow hit the enemy brand in mid twice.
Anyways, Ashe + Amumu + Cassiopeia = win at initiation if their AD carry is out of position.
EDIT: point of this post FUUUUUUU loss forgiven. They deserve to lose ELO for losing 5v4!
Lol yea I've had that happen to me once. 65 minute game playing as lee sin. Best lee sin game of my LoL life. Carried four people on my team all with extremely negative scores.Only got 6 elo cause it was loss forgiven. Boy was I pissed.
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On December 28 2011 01:30 DoXa wrote:
Chaox doing the same thing as me: ban kennen and rumble, pick tryndamere for top. always win lane never lose game. its ridiculous how strong he is, even after his "nerf".
sure if the enemy team is smart they'll send ryze or vayne or something like that top, but how often will that be the case...
Is rumble really that deadly? I remember playing him a bit during free week a while back, I owned pretty hard, but I didn't find him to be "OMB BROKEN", like I do Kennen
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On December 28 2011 01:43 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 01:30 DoXa wrote:
Chaox doing the same thing as me: ban kennen and rumble, pick tryndamere for top. always win lane never lose game. its ridiculous how strong he is, even after his "nerf".
sure if the enemy team is smart they'll send ryze or vayne or something like that top, but how often will that be the case...
Is rumble really that deadly? I remember playing him a bit during free week a while back, I owned pretty hard, but I didn't find him to be "OMB BROKEN", like I do Kennen
His Q does tons of damage and huge part of trynd's strength comes from W's ad decrease so i guess rumble doesn't care about this one
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On December 28 2011 00:14 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2011 23:39 Haemonculus wrote:
With the new gold mastery you can open fairy charm, (assuming you actually want to buy philo at some point), 1 potion, 2 green wards and a pink ward.
Whenever the enemy support walks off to ward river or tri bush, just go de-ward it and pick up free gold + free ganks. Or you don't go for crappy utility masteries (unless you're Soraka, but she's a special case), and just get some combination of pink/green regardless. A pink lets you go back pretty much whenever you want anyways, because you counterward and sit in a brush - or not, they can't know.
TBH I'm curious why people haven't played around with all-consumable starts more on supports (Pink+Green+Health/Mana Pots). Faerie Charm doesn't do anything that isn't covered by several Mana Pots early on, and the ward advantage should turn into an advantage worth more than 180 gold.
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people seem to complain a lot about soraka/sona + graves/vayne, and yet i never see teams who are getting first pick ban out 1 ad and 1 support then first pick in their prefered ad. the other team has to either waste their first pick on the support giving first pick back essentially or just let you take a super safe bot lane combo.
everyone in ranked seems obsessed with banning sion/morgana/blah blah. and if you try to actually use your bans for some real goal you get threats of people going afk ;/
this is about dumb solo ranked not top lvl play btw -_-
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I was watching Nhat's stream last night and his start on Soraka was 3 green wards, 1 health pot, and bank 255 gold.
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On December 28 2011 01:53 turdburgler wrote:
people seem to complain a lot about soraka/sona + graves/vayne, and yet i never see teams who are getting first pick ban out 1 ad and 1 support then first pick in their prefered ad. the other team has to either waste their first pick on the support giving first pick back essentially or just let you take a super safe bot lane combo.
everyone in ranked seems obsessed with banning sion/morgana/blah blah. and if you try to actually use your bans for some real goal you get threats of people going afk ;/
this is about dumb solo ranked not top lvl play btw -_-
Well to be fair some champs are just solo a stompers. For me, I always ban shaco cause he wrecks solo q like nobodies business. Same with a Sion that goes mobility boots. It's better to just make safe bans than to try for a specific strategy and risk ur baddie teammates letting the other team snowball
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