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On December 28 2011 09:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
ive seen nat go ward/pots on janna as well
Haven't played soraka in a while but boots 2 wards sounds pretty good to me, you can do that with two points in the utility starting gold mastery
Are you still maining support?
How many GP/10 do you generally get on your supports, Utah? Really trying to pick up support at the moment because I feel a good support influences the game soooooo much, but I'm torn apart between spine saying anything after Philo is usually not worth it because you rarely get your 2nd GP/10 early enough (don't think he literally said, just how I interpret his posts) and any pro support player still getting 2-3 every game.
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IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona.
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sumtimes gettin sum drings instead is fine too namean
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On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona.
but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes?
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On Ahri and Skarner. Ahri's solid. I don't think she's OP since her numbers aren't that crazy comparatively. Her mobility is pretty sick tho, but imo inferior to Kassadin's. But I'm biased since I love Kass. Skarner's super good, borderline OP cause he basically has no mana costs and no cooldowns. Kinda like release Xin.
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On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes?
If you ever accidentally take first blood, which is the kill a support is most likely to accidentally get anyway since every shot counts at that point in the game.
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On December 28 2011 10:45 Inschato wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes? If you ever accidentally take first blood, which is the kill a support is most likely to accidentally get anyway since every shot counts at that point in the game.
Happens all too often as Taric with me. AD v AD fight going on, Dazzle flies across the screen and kills the enemy. I get blamed :\
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On December 28 2011 11:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 10:45 Inschato wrote:On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes? If you ever accidentally take first blood, which is the kill a support is most likely to accidentally get anyway since every shot counts at that point in the game. Happens all too often as Taric with me. AD v AD fight going on, Dazzle flies across the screen and kills the enemy. I get blamed :\
Why would you get blamed for that? A support who gets a kill, sure that's one less kill for the carry, but it also means a much greater chance of getting aura items (shurelya, aegis) faster, which comes back to benefit the whole team. People act as if supports are a gold sink that has no return, which is totally bogus.
EDIT: Also, from my experience for the optimal time for a support to first back is when he has enough for a Philosopher's Stone + 2 wards, or 770 gold, and this usually happens between 8:00 and 9:00. Enough cash for Heart of Gold can be anywhere between 15:00 and 18:00 depending on the state of the lane. I occasionally get two gp10 before boots, but I almost always get two (unless I'm doing really poorly around that 18:00 mark). If I'm doing exceptionally AND my champion can make use of the AP well (soraka, sona mainly), I often opt for a Kage's Lucky Pick as well. I find that gp10 helps me maintain an actual cashflow for wards; maybe I'm just bad at money management.
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On December 28 2011 11:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 10:45 Inschato wrote:On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes? If you ever accidentally take first blood, which is the kill a support is most likely to accidentally get anyway since every shot counts at that point in the game. Happens all too often as Taric with me. AD v AD fight going on, Dazzle flies across the screen and kills the enemy. I get blamed :\
Whenever I play Sona I always have positive KD with at least 2~3 kills. I remember one time I was playing ranked 5s and I got a quadra and 8 kills at end of game T-T; Dat passive mang.
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On December 28 2011 11:01 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 10:45 Inschato wrote:On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes? If you ever accidentally take first blood, which is the kill a support is most likely to accidentally get anyway since every shot counts at that point in the game. Happens all too often as Taric with me. AD v AD fight going on, Dazzle flies across the screen and kills the enemy. I get blamed :\
Dazzle? Ohman I always ended up stealing that first blood with either shatter or auto attack. Taric hammer OP.
BAM BAM HAMMERSLAM
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Just saw some guy solo dragon as lvl 4 Lee with just 2 Dorans and w/o smite. Finished it 4:45. What the actual fuck.
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Dun wanna get into this again, but the majority of the reward from a kill comes from the other person not being in lane and getting exp and gold. The gold you get is nothing compared to that, especially when you consider it is like 200 gold at best between a kill and an assist.
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On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes?
Oh, you mean BEFORE 13 minutes?
Wording is really weird.
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On December 28 2011 11:44 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes? About 90% of the time
IDK; maybe I'm just bad. But I'm rarely if ever able to get a HoG at 13 minutes, and even if I was, I'd almost always rather get Kindlegem. As my rating rises and people start getting better, I just don't see THAT many early kills bot lane and I want to use the limited amount of gold I get for something useful. A 15-18 minutes Shurelya's has won me a couple of games on both Sona and Soraka, because if you are the slightest bit ahead, I feel like this is the one item that lets me capitalize on advantages the most.
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Only need like one assist.
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On December 28 2011 12:05 Craton wrote:
Only need like one assist.
I guess I'm either buying too many wards or boots too early then.
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On December 28 2011 09:49 Shiv. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 09:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
ive seen nat go ward/pots on janna as well
Haven't played soraka in a while but boots 2 wards sounds pretty good to me, you can do that with two points in the utility starting gold mastery Are you still maining support? How many GP/10 do you generally get on your supports, Utah? Really trying to pick up support at the moment because I feel a good support influences the game soooooo much, but I'm torn apart between spine saying anything after Philo is usually not worth it because you rarely get your 2nd GP/10 early enough (don't think he literally said, just how I interpret his posts) and any pro support player still getting 2-3 every game.
lololol. I'm not utah dude, I'm bad (1500s).
I hope people haven't been thinking I know what I'm talking about when I say shit, I'm really bad. I am not utahime haha.
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Is my build for blitz ok?
I go
Philo>Cata>Boots>Sherulia's>Triforce>Frozen heart>Bveil>Bloodthirster
Edit: this is top lane blitz so that is why I build so much sustain early in the game.
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On December 28 2011 11:03 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2011 11:01 Requizen wrote:On December 28 2011 10:45 Inschato wrote:On December 28 2011 10:29 Shiv. wrote:On December 28 2011 10:16 KaoReal wrote:
IIRC the rule for a game that you anticipate will last an average duration, (not 20 minute surrender, not 50 minutes long,) is to buy as many GP10 as you can until around 13 minutes, (exluding Avarice, of course.) This is the rule that I follow, anyway. It serves me well on Sona. but realistically, how often will you even get a second GP10 until 13 minutes? If you ever accidentally take first blood, which is the kill a support is most likely to accidentally get anyway since every shot counts at that point in the game. Happens all too often as Taric with me. AD v AD fight going on, Dazzle flies across the screen and kills the enemy. I get blamed :\ Why would you get blamed for that? A support who gets a kill, sure that's one less kill for the carry, but it also means a much greater chance of getting aura items (shurelya, aegis) faster, which comes back to benefit the whole team. People act as if supports are a gold sink that has no return, which is totally bogus. EDIT: Also, from my experience for the optimal time for a support to first back is when he has enough for a Philosopher's Stone + 2 wards, or 770 gold, and this usually happens between 8:00 and 9:00. Enough cash for Heart of Gold can be anywhere between 15:00 and 18:00 depending on the state of the lane. I occasionally get two gp10 before boots, but I almost always get two (unless I'm doing really poorly around that 18:00 mark). If I'm doing exceptionally AND my champion can make use of the AP well (soraka, sona mainly), I often opt for a Kage's Lucky Pick as well. I find that gp10 helps me maintain an actual cashflow for wards; maybe I'm just bad at money management.
But the returns on that gold invested into a support, is much less than if it were to go to a carry.
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