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On December 12 2011 12:14 seRapH wrote:AP sion works well up until the point that the opposing team realizes that AP sion is hard countered by damage. >_> No shield, no damage 
people say that, but the shield is so fat that if you position yourself right so people cant break it or at worst you will just have it broken and then can back out of the teamfight for the 3 seconds it takes to regen and they just wasted a huge amount of damage. I played veigar and other squishy as shit AP's for a long time before sion so playing him just feels so easy, the damage that pops the shield on sion would kill veigar, and many times sions stun is better than veigars for escape. I just avoid 1v3's and I can deal absurd damage.
In lane its literally impossible to break after level 2 if you use it properly, its range is large and when people go for the 2 skill pop you can just stun them in between the two skills, pop the shield on them and then back away before they even come out of stun.
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every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down.
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On December 12 2011 12:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down.
yeah, but thats the counter to every character in existence providing they didn't build no dps pure tank
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On December 12 2011 12:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down.
it doesn't help that sion's only objective is to burst one guy down, and that he is faster than your entire with boots of mobility, and that you can't do anything to stop flash over wall -> DFG, stun, shield break.
outside of that, sion is actually completely shit useless in teamfights because he can't move through 4 people to pop his shield without having it break.
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On December 12 2011 12:37 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down. yeah, but thats the counter to every character in existence providing they didn't build no dps pure tank
No, it's not. Good luck focusing ashe in the back of the fight down.
Sion is specifically vulnerable to it and rapes you if you don't do it.
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On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?
That doesn't add up o.o;
10%, then another 15%!
You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.
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best item in the game is wards
sup
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On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?
That doesn't add up o.o; 10%, then another 15%! You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.
Except that spell vamp is only useful to a minority of characters. Frequently your ap carry will be the only character who really benefits since most junglers, toplanes, ad carries, and supports dont get much use out of the stat. On some team comps its really good but on most its kinda meh.
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On December 12 2011 13:23 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?
That doesn't add up o.o; 10%, then another 15%! You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is. Except that spell vamp is only useful to a minority of characters. Frequently your ap carry will be the only character who really benefits since most junglers, toplanes, ad carries, and supports dont get much use out of the stat. On some team comps its really good but on most its kinda meh.
Except that it works for all abilities, not just AP moves.
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On December 12 2011 13:23 Treadmill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?
That doesn't add up o.o; 10%, then another 15%! You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is. Except that spell vamp is only useful to a minority of characters. Frequently your ap carry will be the only character who really benefits since most junglers, toplanes, ad carries, and supports dont get much use out of the stat. On some team comps its really good but on most its kinda meh.
Pretty much every champion in the entire game gets decent to good use out of 30 AP and 25 (8 on AoE)% damage converted to life. The only possible exceptions are champions like Xin Zhao, Lee Sin and Garen, but even for them the healing is more than nothing. On your average team, at least 2 and potentially 3 people are going to benefit from both parts of the aura, and that's ridiculous.
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On December 12 2011 13:14 dnastyx wrote:
best item in the game is wards
sup
Except when you keep dying to place them.
All abilities benefit from spellvamp, even if they do physical damage. It's not like it's wasted on anyone. Nearly every champ in the entire game has some type of AP scaling ability, except maybe garen lol, and every single champ has abilities. It's just it benefits AP users more since, what do you know, they use the AP the most! Doesn't mean WotA isn't any less retardedly good.
edit: Okay, now I'm sure some TLers like ScY cause he is a TLer but.........has ScY ever won a lane before...........? I've seen his play on sooo many streams and I don't think I've ever seen him win a lane. =/
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On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?
That doesn't add up o.o; 10%, then another 15%! You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.
It's just weird how long it's taking for this item's stupidity to be generally known, it's been dumb for sooooo long. I think it's because it wasn't as visibly absurd as gunblade used to be so it spent a long time in it's shadow.
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All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.
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On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.
Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.
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On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason. Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.
why aura when you can atmog everything!?
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On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason. Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.
eh iunno Aegis seems to be kinda mediocre compared to what WotA and Stark's give. Ironically it's the one that sees the most use.
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On December 12 2011 14:34 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason. Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be. eh iunno Aegis seems to be kinda mediocre compared to what WotA and Stark's give. Ironically it's the one that sees the most use.
How does it seem mediocre? WotA/Starks benefit 2 maybe 3 people on your team. Aegis benefits everyone with free Armor/MR.
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On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason. Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.
Alright, new bestest item build: aegis wota starks fheart abyssal shroud. Boots no aura, too UP.
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On December 12 2011 14:36 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 14:34 Ryuu314 wrote:On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason. Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be. eh iunno Aegis seems to be kinda mediocre compared to what WotA and Stark's give. Ironically it's the one that sees the most use. How does it seem mediocre? WotA/Starks benefit 2 maybe 3 people on your team. Aegis benefits everyone with free Armor/MR.
WotA gives everyone 25% spellvamp which can be used by anyone who spams active abilities which is...everyone. Starks more niche I agree, but the +30 health regen aura by itself is silly; not even mentioning the aspd, lifesteal, and minus armor aura. For comparison, Philo only gives +18 health regen, regrowth is +15.
oh hey my 3k post. Imma high templar now. STORMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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just played an awesome game.
my (ryze), yorick, and morgana 3v5 leblanc, cho, shaco, panth, janna. epic win.
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