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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
December 12 2011 03:30 GMT
#3841
On December 12 2011 12:14 seRapH wrote:
AP sion works well up until the point that the opposing team realizes that AP sion is hard countered by damage. >_>

No shield, no damage


people say that, but the shield is so fat that if you position yourself right so people cant break it or at worst you will just have it broken and then can back out of the teamfight for the 3 seconds it takes to regen and they just wasted a huge amount of damage. I played veigar and other squishy as shit AP's for a long time before sion so playing him just feels so easy, the damage that pops the shield on sion would kill veigar, and many times sions stun is better than veigars for escape. I just avoid 1v3's and I can deal absurd damage.

In lane its literally impossible to break after level 2 if you use it properly, its range is large and when people go for the 2 skill pop you can just stun them in between the two skills, pop the shield on them and then back away before they even come out of stun.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 12 2011 03:35 GMT
#3842
every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
December 12 2011 03:37 GMT
#3843
On December 12 2011 12:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down.


yeah, but thats the counter to every character in existence providing they didn't build no dps pure tank
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
December 12 2011 03:54 GMT
#3844
On December 12 2011 12:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down.


it doesn't help that sion's only objective is to burst one guy down, and that he is faster than your entire with boots of mobility, and that you can't do anything to stop flash over wall -> DFG, stun, shield break.

outside of that, sion is actually completely shit useless in teamfights because he can't move through 4 people to pop his shield without having it break.
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 12 2011 03:55 GMT
#3845
On December 12 2011 12:37 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 12:35 UniversalSnip wrote:
every game every fight focus sion. Even if he's not doing well it's the number one priority, focus him and kite him, ad or ap it's how you shut him down.


yeah, but thats the counter to every character in existence providing they didn't build no dps pure tank


No, it's not. Good luck focusing ashe in the back of the fight down.

Sion is specifically vulnerable to it and rapes you if you don't do it.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
December 12 2011 04:09 GMT
#3846
On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?

That doesn't add up o.o;


10%, then another 15%!

You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
December 12 2011 04:14 GMT
#3847
best item in the game is wards

sup
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 04:23:21
December 12 2011 04:23 GMT
#3848
On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?

That doesn't add up o.o;


10%, then another 15%!

You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.

Except that spell vamp is only useful to a minority of characters. Frequently your ap carry will be the only character who really benefits since most junglers, toplanes, ad carries, and supports dont get much use out of the stat. On some team comps its really good but on most its kinda meh.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
December 12 2011 04:28 GMT
#3849
On December 12 2011 13:23 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:
On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?

That doesn't add up o.o;


10%, then another 15%!

You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.

Except that spell vamp is only useful to a minority of characters. Frequently your ap carry will be the only character who really benefits since most junglers, toplanes, ad carries, and supports dont get much use out of the stat. On some team comps its really good but on most its kinda meh.


Except that it works for all abilities, not just AP moves.
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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
December 12 2011 04:33 GMT
#3850
On December 12 2011 13:23 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:
On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?

That doesn't add up o.o;


10%, then another 15%!

You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.

Except that spell vamp is only useful to a minority of characters. Frequently your ap carry will be the only character who really benefits since most junglers, toplanes, ad carries, and supports dont get much use out of the stat. On some team comps its really good but on most its kinda meh.


Pretty much every champion in the entire game gets decent to good use out of 30 AP and 25 (8 on AoE)% damage converted to life. The only possible exceptions are champions like Xin Zhao, Lee Sin and Garen, but even for them the healing is more than nothing. On your average team, at least 2 and potentially 3 people are going to benefit from both parts of the aura, and that's ridiculous.
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 04:42:54
December 12 2011 04:35 GMT
#3851
On December 12 2011 13:14 dnastyx wrote:
best item in the game is wards

sup


Except when you keep dying to place them.

All abilities benefit from spellvamp, even if they do physical damage. It's not like it's wasted on anyone. Nearly every champ in the entire game has some type of AP scaling ability, except maybe garen lol, and every single champ has abilities. It's just it benefits AP users more since, what do you know, they use the AP the most! Doesn't mean WotA isn't any less retardedly good.

edit: Okay, now I'm sure some TLers like ScY cause he is a TLer but.........has ScY ever won a lane before...........? I've seen his play on sooo many streams and I don't think I've ever seen him win a lane. =/
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
December 12 2011 04:47 GMT
#3852
On December 12 2011 13:09 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 12:17 Haemonculus wrote:
I think Wota is kinda broken item. Revolver is what, 15% spellvamp for 1200 gold? And then for another 900, you not only get an additional 10% spellvamp, but you give it to EVERYONE NEAR YOU?

That doesn't add up o.o;


10%, then another 15%!

You're giving your teammates way more than the benefit of an entire Hextech Revolver for 2/3 the cost of having one. WotA is my personal choice for 'best item in the game' because of how stupid that is.


It's just weird how long it's taking for this item's stupidity to be generally known, it's been dumb for sooooo long. I think it's because it wasn't as visibly absurd as gunblade used to be so it spent a long time in it's shadow.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
December 12 2011 05:06 GMT
#3853
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
December 12 2011 05:25 GMT
#3854
On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.


Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
December 12 2011 05:34 GMT
#3855
On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.


Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.


why aura when you can atmog everything!?
FADC
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 12 2011 05:34 GMT
#3856
On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.


Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.

eh iunno Aegis seems to be kinda mediocre compared to what WotA and Stark's give. Ironically it's the one that sees the most use.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
December 12 2011 05:36 GMT
#3857
On December 12 2011 14:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:
On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.


Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.

eh iunno Aegis seems to be kinda mediocre compared to what WotA and Stark's give. Ironically it's the one that sees the most use.


How does it seem mediocre? WotA/Starks benefit 2 maybe 3 people on your team. Aegis benefits everyone with free Armor/MR.
pschiu
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore410 Posts
December 12 2011 05:38 GMT
#3858
On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.


Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.


Alright, new bestest item build: aegis wota starks fheart abyssal shroud. Boots no aura, too UP.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 05:43:02
December 12 2011 05:40 GMT
#3859
On December 12 2011 14:36 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 14:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
On December 12 2011 14:25 STS17 wrote:
On December 12 2011 14:06 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
All the aura items are stupidly powerful. People just don't seem to want to buy them for whatever reason.


Well, when you think about it, they kinda have to be.

eh iunno Aegis seems to be kinda mediocre compared to what WotA and Stark's give. Ironically it's the one that sees the most use.


How does it seem mediocre? WotA/Starks benefit 2 maybe 3 people on your team. Aegis benefits everyone with free Armor/MR.

WotA gives everyone 25% spellvamp which can be used by anyone who spams active abilities which is...everyone. Starks more niche I agree, but the +30 health regen aura by itself is silly; not even mentioning the aspd, lifesteal, and minus armor aura. For comparison, Philo only gives +18 health regen, regrowth is +15.

oh hey my 3k post. Imma high templar now. STORMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
December 12 2011 05:41 GMT
#3860
just played an awesome game.

my (ryze), yorick, and morgana 3v5 leblanc, cho, shaco, panth, janna. epic win.
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