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Want to rage about your latest loss?
Use the QQ thread.
If you whine in GD, you'll get warned.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 07 2011 12:02 GMT
#2821
Isn't somebody else (some korean?) playing on Neo's account?
Retvrn to Forvms
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
December 07 2011 12:04 GMT
#2822
Well I managed 30 seconds of Oce before his douchery made me close the stream. Worst part about tournies is the lack of streamers.
twitch.tv/cratonz
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
December 07 2011 12:08 GMT
#2823
Yo I just wanted to say I haven't touched LoL in like 4 months and won't again, ever. So my level 30 ex 1600 elo account with about 70euro's in RP is up for grabs. It's free ofcourse. EU west server. PM with a good reason why you should get it, for either you or a friend
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
December 07 2011 12:19 GMT
#2824
On December 07 2011 20:41 UniversalSnip wrote:
NEO HWAITING! Why don't you stream?


My interweb conn is pretty bad. I haven't actually tested it out yet.
Cop stronk.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 07 2011 12:59 GMT
#2825
Once I just stop raging about how terrible my teammates I just carry like a beast at this elo. Wish I could be composed at all times.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
December 07 2011 13:50 GMT
#2826
On December 07 2011 21:59 Hynda wrote:
Once I just stop raging about how terrible my teammates I just carry like a beast at this elo. Wish I could be composed at all times.

Felt the same. Then Riven shat on me as Trynd top and proceeded to rape my entire team. FML.

currently rooting for myself.
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 07 2011 13:58 GMT
#2827
Is it just me or does this nine-tailed fox sound like leblanc v2.0?
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
December 07 2011 14:12 GMT
#2828
On December 07 2011 22:58 Sabin010 wrote:
Is it just me or does this nine-tailed fox sound like leblanc v2.0?

Akali 1.1
Inschato
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada1349 Posts
December 07 2011 14:37 GMT
#2829
AkaLiBlanc, now with 9 extra tails, no stealth and no clone!
3.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
December 07 2011 15:04 GMT
#2830
Crit gives a certain uncertainty to a "rightclickers" exact damageoutput, like the possibility of missing skillshots gives to "casters". That keeps duels from being mathproblems.
There is a certain value in keeping champions from taking 4% crit at level1 but in turn masteries should also have options to boost critreliant champs.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 07 2011 15:11 GMT
#2831
What about GP and his Q? Any value in starting crit runes/brawler gloves there?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
December 07 2011 15:15 GMT
#2832
On December 08 2011 00:11 mordek wrote:
What about GP and his Q? Any value in starting crit runes/brawler gloves there?

It makes for a crazy laning phase for sure, but what about the build then ? You want to rush Zeal ?
The legend of Darien lives on
Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
December 07 2011 15:15 GMT
#2833
On December 08 2011 00:11 mordek wrote:
What about GP and his Q? Any value in starting crit runes/brawler gloves there?

Guaranteed fb. But then if he goes for avarice blade with that 400g he will lose the lane. Atleast that's what happened everytime I laned against a brawler glove first gp as riven.
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 15:18:52
December 07 2011 15:16 GMT
#2834
On December 08 2011 00:04 Unentschieden wrote:
Crit gives a certain uncertainty to a "rightclickers" exact damageoutput, like the possibility of missing skillshots gives to "casters". That keeps duels from being mathproblems.
There is a certain value in keeping champions from taking 4% crit at level1 but in turn masteries should also have options to boost critreliant champs.


Except there isn't a crit reliant champion besides Tryn and he's just fundamentally broken basically ^_^

On December 07 2011 14:25 GreenManalishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 14:06 Craton wrote:
I would be OK with crit being only available through items. The runes are basically already never used except for gimmicks and the mastery could be replaced by something else.


Why are crit runes not used? I don't really understand it. For Marks, the choice is between .95 flat AD, 1.66 armour penetration, and .93% crit chance. Armour penetration is really dependent on the target obviously, but it only takes ~100 damage for crit = flat AD, and any amount over that crit > ad. I realize crit doesn't scale with many skills, but since late game most carries have upwards of 300 AD, I would think that crit would be worthwhile.

For quints, I noticed that crit is much less efficient compared to the other stats, so maybe something like crit marks and AD quints could work. I think I am going to try it. I lose a little early game power (very little) for quite a bit of late game strength. I could see this being really nice on a carry with few AD scaling spells, and don't naturally build a lot of crit chance. Vayne for example.


If you want to waste your runes on late game damage crit damage runes are the best option actually. People use Armor Penetration because they do more damage than the other options at almost any point in the game. There are some situations early on when flat ad can be better, but these hypothetical situations are few and far between (and after a few minutes arpen will surpass them anyway). The marginal increase in the lategame you're talking about is so small though that there's no point in using it. Doing a couple extra dps at minute one is a lot more relative to ten extra dps at the fifty minute mark. Just because the numbers end up higher later on doesn't mean that they're actually more significant.


As for the whole crit diminishing returns argument. It's hilarious how everybody can be right about something and not realize that their answers aren't mutually exclusive.

On December 08 2011 00:11 mordek wrote:
What about GP and his Q? Any value in starting crit runes/brawler gloves there?


You'd actually do more consistent damage running a full offense page with arpen and flat ad and such. However, the crit chance cannot be accounted for since it isn't displayed anywhere so it has that surprise factor (although neither does arpen). If you ran a full flat ad page and they clicked on you they could realize this and account for it. There's no accounting for a full crit page
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 07 2011 15:22 GMT
#2835
On December 08 2011 00:15 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 00:11 mordek wrote:
What about GP and his Q? Any value in starting crit runes/brawler gloves there?

It makes for a crazy laning phase for sure, but what about the build then ? You want to rush Zeal ?

Normally it would be Avarice or Zeal. Avarice is nice for the gold but as Delta said not the strongest laning item to use your gold on. FB can be a big deal though, especially in solo q ^^
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 15:32:32
December 07 2011 15:30 GMT
#2836
On December 08 2011 00:15 Deltablazy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 00:11 mordek wrote:
What about GP and his Q? Any value in starting crit runes/brawler gloves there?

Guaranteed fb. But then if he goes for avarice blade with that 400g he will lose the lane. Atleast that's what happened everytime I laned against a brawler glove first gp as riven.


Thats because your riven and you hit your sweetspot around 5/6
If GP doesn't shut down a Riven completely before she has her ult, he'll get his ass wupped.

I've been running crit red's lately and i get quite a few kills because of the crits. That, and people rage because I tell them I only have crit masteries and think I'm super lucky.

:3
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
December 07 2011 15:36 GMT
#2837
you could just spend that 400 gold on a life steal scepter and get an executioner's calling if the enemy is running a sion, or anybody else with stupid healing like a fiddle jungle or a swain middle. The sustain is good for lain, and getting it early makes you gaurenteed to have that active when team fights break out. It also has good synergy with its DOT and grog soaked blade.
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
December 07 2011 15:38 GMT
#2838
On December 08 2011 00:16 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 00:04 Unentschieden wrote:
Crit gives a certain uncertainty to a "rightclickers" exact damageoutput, like the possibility of missing skillshots gives to "casters". That keeps duels from being mathproblems.
There is a certain value in keeping champions from taking 4% crit at level1 but in turn masteries should also have options to boost critreliant champs.


Except there isn't a crit reliant champion besides Tryn and he's just fundamentally broken basically ^_^


All "AD Carrys" get crit to maximise their sustained damage output. Drop IE and PD from the itemlist and itemisation looks quite bleak.
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
December 07 2011 15:39 GMT
#2839
I've never actually used that on him but its not a bad plan at all. Given that Heal is becoming more populair and Swain is making a small comeback.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
December 07 2011 15:39 GMT
#2840
I've never been sure when getting an EC was a good idea. Never seen it used either.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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