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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
November 15 2011 09:51 GMT
#121
On November 15 2011 18:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Ezreal is the strongest AD carry at the moment, by the way.

Caitlyn, pff. Just has a good laning phase after that she turns into goo with only 1 skill thats actually usefull.

Ezreal has 4.


Actually, having more active skills just increases the chance for the player to screw things up. This is why Vayne was so popular a while.
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 15 2011 10:01 GMT
#122
On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else

Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC


Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
November 15 2011 10:10 GMT
#123
On November 15 2011 18:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Ezreal is the strongest AD carry at the moment, by the way.

Caitlyn, pff. Just has a good laning phase after that she turns into goo with only 1 skill thats actually usefull.

Ezreal has 4.

I disagree. I think tristana is strongest ad carry now that kogmaw gets the heavy range nerf
BW -> League -> CSGO
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
November 15 2011 10:19 GMT
#124
AD carry strength is also based on your team , supportplayer and the enemyteamcompo. Theres no fixed 'best'. Useless discussion
KCCO!
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 15 2011 10:19 GMT
#125
On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else

Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC


Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not.

Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Purpose2
Profile Joined August 2010
England187 Posts
November 15 2011 10:31 GMT
#126
Still likely going to be having to take flash on my Taric... because he just really needs it...
Twitter @PurposeGaming
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 15 2011 10:33 GMT
#127
On November 15 2011 19:19 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:
On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else

Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC


Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not.

Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.


A melee jump on you on Janna, you can ult, but a quick tornado follow by the slow and shielding yourself if needed will get the job done too most of the time.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:40:54
November 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#128
On November 15 2011 19:19 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:
On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else

Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC


Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not.

Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.


I find it improbable that janna won't be running flash after this patch, but to be fair, she is really really good at running away.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
November 15 2011 10:40 GMT
#129
Server's up. Testing fizz in a bot game right now

6300
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FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
November 15 2011 10:42 GMT
#130
Malphite bot running fortify...OP!
Veni, vidi, vici!
shinarit
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary900 Posts
November 15 2011 10:45 GMT
#131
On November 15 2011 19:19 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:
On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else

Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC


Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not.

Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.


Maybe she doesnt have blink, but good luck trying to catch her. First of all, support should have map awareness, so you wont just jump on her. Second, even if you do, she can ult you away, and then has the skills to help run away. Most time my flash is not on CD because i dont need it to run away, while on Soraka and Sona you more often need it. Though Janna has great offensive uses for flash-ult, so dunno. Have to test.
T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
November 15 2011 10:46 GMT
#132
On November 15 2011 19:40 R04R wrote:
Server's up. Testing fizz in a bot game right now

6300

i guess 6300 will be default price for new champs -.-
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 10:47:56
November 15 2011 10:46 GMT
#133
hmm... new mastery trees = need to learn new standards also i have a feeling pantheon will feel a lot stronger suddenly.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 15 2011 11:19 GMT
#134
SIX BANS DRAFT NORMALS

amg
twitch.tv/cratonz
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 11:25:13
November 15 2011 11:19 GMT
#135
Good thing those changes weren't too drastic.
lolwat.

Those changes are gonna take a while to adapt to...

Also saying it again: Offensive masteries on supports is the way to go.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 11:25:58
November 15 2011 11:24 GMT
#136
Oh my god jungling now haha. I just went enemy wraiths wolves wraiths double golems red blue (!) wolves wraiths double golem off cloth armor 5 on yi. That's without going b. Did not even have proc luck and I didn't use E optimally.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 11:29:14
November 15 2011 11:25 GMT
#137
On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
heal super strong now imoimoimo

dont know what to take on ADs any more ghost/flash/cleanse/exhaust/surge zz

maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else

Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC
AD Carries need Exhaust or they can't 1v1/2v2 in bot lane and can get dove by anti-carries too easily (ofc with cleanse they're going to do it anyway and riot is going to go derp we're dumb)
Top's these days usually get TP, especially in competitive play, as it gives them so much control over objectives against teams who don't have TP. The only tops who don't get flash/ghost have to get exhaust/ignite, but tp+exhause/ignite is a rarity I doubt I've ever seen. Probably will see tops with free mobility go cleanse/tp cleanse/exhaust.
Mids could get heal, but they'd lose a lot of killing power without exhaust/ignite and their role is pretty much instagib something.



see the thing is cleanse trades with exhaust cleanly now, and also gives CC reduction to boot. i'd say this is a nerf to the taric vayne lane (people used to take cleanse already but now cleanse is even better). i could see supports going heal+exhaust with carry going surge cleanse or something and being super strong (2v3 strong). assuming opponent's jungler, support and AD are still using flash, 2v3ing is seriously not that impossible. of course the lack of an escape would mean that you probably want to be playing ezreal/corki/trist. JUST SAYING
cool beans
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
November 15 2011 11:29 GMT
#138
cleanse hella long cd now

saving you from one stun against super gay taric + ad lane isn't gonna help a lot
twitch.tv/cratonz
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 15 2011 11:33 GMT
#139
cleanse doesnt mean you play stupidly

you use cleanse when you see them commit (usually signalled by an exhaust by their AD). previously your best answer against this was to exhaust the vayne and hope for the best. now you can cleanse whatever CC you have on you and reduce duration of next 2-3. that's a nerf to the vayne taric lane right there
cool beans
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 15 2011 11:34 GMT
#140
Supports don't need escapes very desperately. Soraka doesn't need it at all. Alistar, Sona, Taric and Janna take Flash mostly for offense.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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