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On November 15 2011 18:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Ezreal is the strongest AD carry at the moment, by the way.
Caitlyn, pff. Just has a good laning phase after that she turns into goo with only 1 skill thats actually usefull.
Ezreal has 4.
Actually, having more active skills just increases the chance for the player to screw things up. This is why Vayne was so popular a while.
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On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else
Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC
Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not.
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On November 15 2011 18:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Ezreal is the strongest AD carry at the moment, by the way.
Caitlyn, pff. Just has a good laning phase after that she turns into goo with only 1 skill thats actually usefull.
Ezreal has 4.
I disagree. I think tristana is strongest ad carry now that kogmaw gets the heavy range nerf
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AD carry strength is also based on your team , supportplayer and the enemyteamcompo. Theres no fixed 'best'. Useless discussion
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On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else
Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not.
Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.
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Still likely going to be having to take flash on my Taric... because he just really needs it...
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On November 15 2011 19:19 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else
Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not. Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.
A melee jump on you on Janna, you can ult, but a quick tornado follow by the slow and shielding yourself if needed will get the job done too most of the time.
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On November 15 2011 19:19 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else
Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not. Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.
I find it improbable that janna won't be running flash after this patch, but to be fair, she is really really good at running away.
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Server's up. Testing fizz in a bot game right now
6300
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Malphite bot running fortify...OP!
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On November 15 2011 19:19 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 19:01 shinarit wrote:On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:
maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else
Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC Hey, im Janna, and i tend do disagree. Janna is the 2nd best chase after Singed. It makes sense to pick heal on her, as she is the only traditional support without any heals, but we will have to experience if its worth the flash or not. Janna has slightly additional movespeed and nothing else. Mobility I'm referring to includes things like blinks, leaps, etc. If something jumps on janna all you can do is ult them away, assuming they can't block the spell, but you can't get yourself away. Champions that can actually use abilities in flash's capacity are the ones that can sometimes get away with not having flash/ghost.
Maybe she doesnt have blink, but good luck trying to catch her. First of all, support should have map awareness, so you wont just jump on her. Second, even if you do, she can ult you away, and then has the skills to help run away. Most time my flash is not on CD because i dont need it to run away, while on Soraka and Sona you more often need it. Though Janna has great offensive uses for flash-ult, so dunno. Have to test.
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On November 15 2011 19:40 R04R wrote:
Server's up. Testing fizz in a bot game right now
6300
i guess 6300 will be default price for new champs -.-
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hmm... new mastery trees = need to learn new standards also i have a feeling pantheon will feel a lot stronger suddenly.
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SIX BANS DRAFT NORMALS
amg
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Good thing those changes weren't too drastic.
lolwat.
Those changes are gonna take a while to adapt to...
Also saying it again: Offensive masteries on supports is the way to go.
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Oh my god jungling now haha. I just went enemy wraiths wolves wraiths double golems red blue (!) wolves wraiths double golem off cloth armor 5 on yi. That's without going b. Did not even have proc luck and I didn't use E optimally.
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On November 15 2011 18:24 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 14:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
heal super strong now imoimoimo
dont know what to take on ADs any more ghost/flash/cleanse/exhaust/surge zz maybe, but it's not worth getting over anything else Supports need CV + escape since every support has no mobility and alistar/taric need to be able to flash CC AD Carries need Exhaust or they can't 1v1/2v2 in bot lane and can get dove by anti-carries too easily (ofc with cleanse they're going to do it anyway and riot is going to go derp we're dumb) Top's these days usually get TP, especially in competitive play, as it gives them so much control over objectives against teams who don't have TP. The only tops who don't get flash/ghost have to get exhaust/ignite, but tp+exhause/ignite is a rarity I doubt I've ever seen. Probably will see tops with free mobility go cleanse/tp cleanse/exhaust. Mids could get heal, but they'd lose a lot of killing power without exhaust/ignite and their role is pretty much instagib something.
see the thing is cleanse trades with exhaust cleanly now, and also gives CC reduction to boot. i'd say this is a nerf to the taric vayne lane (people used to take cleanse already but now cleanse is even better). i could see supports going heal+exhaust with carry going surge cleanse or something and being super strong (2v3 strong). assuming opponent's jungler, support and AD are still using flash, 2v3ing is seriously not that impossible. of course the lack of an escape would mean that you probably want to be playing ezreal/corki/trist. JUST SAYING
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cleanse hella long cd now
saving you from one stun against super gay taric + ad lane isn't gonna help a lot
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cleanse doesnt mean you play stupidly
you use cleanse when you see them commit (usually signalled by an exhaust by their AD). previously your best answer against this was to exhaust the vayne and hope for the best. now you can cleanse whatever CC you have on you and reduce duration of next 2-3. that's a nerf to the vayne taric lane right there
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Supports don't need escapes very desperately. Soraka doesn't need it at all. Alistar, Sona, Taric and Janna take Flash mostly for offense.
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