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-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
November 15 2011 11:34 GMT
#141
6 bans in ranked too?
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
November 15 2011 11:35 GMT
#142
Ahhhhhhhhh

so many tough decisions to make in masteries now. I want it all ><
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
Unentschieden
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany1471 Posts
November 15 2011 11:37 GMT
#143
You will still need CV. You need to be better with it now but it´s still a critical skill.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
November 15 2011 11:40 GMT
#144
On November 15 2011 20:37 Unentschieden wrote:
You will still need CV. You need to be better with it now but it´s still a critical skill.


Ah damn. Thought I might be able to skip it. Because I suck pretty hard with it. Problem is; I don't jungle and therefor have no clue of jungle timings whatsoever. Kinda hate playing support for that reason. *sadface*
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
November 15 2011 11:52 GMT
#145
It looks like junglers will be so strong now. Much quicker clear time and stronger ganks and cleanse seems almost mandatory on most champs.
Best Teemo World
G3CKO
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 11:55:45
November 15 2011 11:53 GMT
#146
I'm still deciding between 9-0-21 and 21-0-9 for mages.
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Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 12:17:06
November 15 2011 12:13 GMT
#147
On November 15 2011 20:53 G3CKO wrote:
I'm still deciding between 9-0-21 and 21-0-9 for mages.

I think 21-0-9 is vastly superior. 5% AP is not something I would want to miss out on.
Unrelated: my life is so much better now that I follow unichan on tumblr. She always posts hot Asian chicks and it makes me a happy panda.
currently rooting for myself.
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
November 15 2011 12:16 GMT
#148
I agree, theres just so much you can get from the offensive tree now as a caster
KCCO!
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
November 15 2011 12:21 GMT
#149
crazy game, love oz's play
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 12:21:51
November 15 2011 12:21 GMT
#150
On November 15 2011 21:21 Mios wrote:
crazy game, love oz's play


edit: woops wrong thread, playing LoL with GSL in the background makes me happy >:D

EDIT: LOL I meant to edit but I quoted.
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
FR4CT4L
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia697 Posts
November 15 2011 12:24 GMT
#151
On November 15 2011 20:19 spinesheath wrote:
Good thing those changes weren't too drastic.
lolwat.

Those changes are gonna take a while to adapt to...

Also saying it again: Offensive masteries on supports is the way to go.


Would you mind elaborating on why exactly?
Veni, vidi, vici!
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
November 15 2011 12:26 GMT
#152
1200 people watching Becca write an essay.
Holy shit, a bunch of people seriously need to get laid asap.
currently rooting for myself.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 15 2011 12:30 GMT
#153
On November 15 2011 20:40 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 20:37 Unentschieden wrote:
You will still need CV. You need to be better with it now but it´s still a critical skill.


Ah damn. Thought I might be able to skip it. Because I suck pretty hard with it. Problem is; I don't jungle and therefor have no clue of jungle timings whatsoever. Kinda hate playing support for that reason. *sadface*

mirror your own jungler
twitch.tv/cratonz
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
November 15 2011 12:42 GMT
#154
oh hey we got new art for the summoner spells, thats cool
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 12:43:31
November 15 2011 12:42 GMT
#155
On November 15 2011 18:40 Therealdevil wrote:
Ezreal is the strongest AD carry at the moment, by the way.

Caitlyn, pff. Just has a good laning phase after that she turns into goo with only 1 skill thats actually usefull.

Ezreal has 4.


You can't really say that though, you basically only play ezrael for AD, same as me saying udyr is the best jungler. (as far as I'm concerned thats true but I'm totally biased)

EU has kinda gotten over caitlyn now and its mostly kog/graves which are banned. In tournament play caitlyn is never banned these days. She's good, but at the end of the day she has no steriod so if she doesn't get fed she's not that much of a terror. A lot of the OP AD carry shit came from them dominating their lane against other AD's who didn't know how to play versus them and getting fed.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 15 2011 12:43 GMT
#156
I wanna try jungle Fizz. I feel like his ganks could be really strong because of his 2 gap closing abilities.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 12:50:03
November 15 2011 12:46 GMT
#157
On November 15 2011 21:24 FR4CT4L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 20:19 spinesheath wrote:
Good thing those changes weren't too drastic.
lolwat.

Those changes are gonna take a while to adapt to...

Also saying it again: Offensive masteries on supports is the way to go.


Would you mind elaborating on why exactly?

Because the utility tree doesn't give you any notable combat strength, and without this strength you can't make anything happen in lane. You can only hope that your AD is better at lasthitting and that your enemies are weak as well.

Imo there only were 2 really strong masteries for supports in the utility tree that made it worth going 21 utility:
CV mastery
Summoner Cooldowns (and only really for CV, again)

Now the CV mastery is at rank 1. Scout is the only new mastery I would want to have from the utility tree (and I think only one person on the team needs that, which could be someone who wants buff duration, for example), and that one only requires 5 points in utility. Sure, Summoner Cooldowns still is tempting, but is it worth 12-20 additional points in utility? I don't think so.

On November 15 2011 21:42 Slayer91 wrote:
She's good, but at the end of the day she has no steriod so if she doesn't get fed she's not that much of a terror. A lot of the OP AD carry shit came from them dominating their lane against other AD's who didn't know how to play versus them and getting fed.

Hey she still gets +8.3% damage from her passive, +16.7% if she can stand in a brush. Not as much as other stereoids, but still a stereoid.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 13:02:38
November 15 2011 13:01 GMT
#158
Re: Fizz's ult

I can confirm killing blows on shen do not have him get eaten

I can confirm that killing blows on Annie leaves no body

Soraka does not get eaten
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Everhate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States640 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 13:04:43
November 15 2011 13:02 GMT
#159
Having all kinds of trouble picking masteries as support...I'm thinking on something like soraka I can get away with 21 defense, even though missing the early CDR is pretty annoying. I think more than anything I feel like defensive is preferable due to low gold count, though a lot of util helps most of the supports.

Luckily, I'm still a newbie, and still levelling up even, so lots of chances to experiment, heh.

Edit: In supports in general, anyone have insight yet on whether to keep flash or swap for something else? Ghost seems like it may be better for escapability from early ganks, though flash gives you get out of jail free card at times.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
November 15 2011 13:03 GMT
#160
I always forget about that caitlyn passive.

BTW: For the "who c can clear jungle fastest with pheonix udyr" jatt challenge surge is by far the strongest summoner spell for that along with smite since it gives you both your main DPS stats for pheonix stance. I doubt you'd get away with it for real games though, I think you need to take one of ghost/cleanse/flash on udyr still whether or not flash is still king we'll have to see. Wall flashes will certainly be harder and you have to be more careful. I just never went back went ghost got nerfed I realized how much better flash was on udyr since he already gets great MS but its possible cleanse might be a contender versus certain teamcomps. (that rely on CC to keep you off people as opposed to damage where you'd want to have flash to be able to get out and let your team clean up)
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