EPT[Patch 1.0.0.129: Fizz] General Discussion - Page 63
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Iskusstvo
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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Brees
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tobi9999
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Haemonculus
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On November 20 2011 11:50 tobi9999 wrote: nunu and fiddle are the worst lol Nahhh I find farming with nunu is actually not all that bad. Fiddle though truly sucks at farming without blowing his ult. | ||
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BlackPaladin
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mr_tolkien
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On November 20 2011 11:19 Iskusstvo wrote: What would you say is the worst character for farming? In particular mid-late game where it's more about soaking up stacks of minions when they occur than sticking to a lane and last-hitting. In my experience, apart from the very low chance of getting lucky with his E, fiddle can really only auto-attack creeps, unless he wants to drain each of them in turn. Fiddle is the worst with Eve I think, but the game generally is thought about creep-clearing abilities. Nearly all chars have a good one. | ||
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red_
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MoonBear
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CeriseCherries
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On November 20 2011 11:21 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: shen? actually, shen is pretty good at farming... his q is on such a short cooldown + ki strike... i mean you would do poorly in a ranged lane, but you can lasthit at tower | ||
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Craton
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Flakes
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rigwarl
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SnK-Arcbound
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infinitestory
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On November 20 2011 16:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote: So can I see opinions, if someone leaves their lane (solo or duo) should you follow them? Hotshot says you always should, and I agree. wtf no, if they leave their lane but really have no threat in doing so, and you can gain a large lane advantage in their absence, you should definitely not leave. Examples: mid leaves while their blue buff is up, support leaves shortly after their dragon ward runs out, top leaves and your mid lane is lb or somebody with a reliable escape | ||
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UniversalSnip
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On November 20 2011 07:59 Craton wrote: Losses and wins aren't always the same amount. It's completely possible (and has happened already) to have a negative win-loss and still be 1900+. There's no such thing as being trapped at a rating -- that's the entire myth of Elo (WHICH IS NOT AN ACRONYM). You will always float around the Elo that represents your actual ability, whether above or below, regardless of your teammates. This has been proven so many times by people like rjsdnd, jiji, that guy mentioned above, and so forth. For every game you get with morons or d/cs, so to do other players. Elo exists to give you opponents at a similar level of skill to your own and to your team, which is does once. This happens a lot sooner than the 100 games you talk about -- even 50 games is stretching how many you need to be near your appropriate rating. Your example is even more telling of the myth of Elo hell, as you're arguing against the system saying that someone who can only play one champion of one role should be a "higher elo" than they really are. What you're really trying to argue with this is that supports are less impactful in a game than carries. Food for thought: my support Janna has the highest win percent of any of my champions with >5 games played (81%), which includes many of the games I played at my peak S1 Elo. Everyone likes to rag on the support role for being the easiest, but any good team (and especially heavy AD players) will tell you the support makes a tremendous difference in a game. I also greatly question the accuracy of your statistics. i think support is the hardest role personally, now that they've de-facerolled all the formerly mindless ones like soraka/sona. The fact that it's *not* easy is why we don't have tons of people saying it's hard, as contradictory as that seems. I played competitive tf2 for a while and there's a silent conspiracy in that community to pretend playing medic is hard. Nobody good wants to do it so every team is composed of five people on one skill level and one person, the medic, who would be in the next level down if he were trying to learn another class and is only rolling med to get a leg up. As a result everyone talks nice about them because there is a limited supply of these people. Support in this game is infinitely harder and so the level of respect for the role is simply where it should be, on par with the others with individual opinion putting it a little above or below. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote: So can I see opinions, if someone leaves their lane (solo or duo) should you follow them? Hotshot says you always should, and I agree. No. Sometimes following will just get you shit on. Should you follow an akali when you guy's have both just hit 7? Nooooope. Should you ping and say akali coming, gtfo!!! Yes. Point is, sometimes following is wrong. Either follow or take advantage of their absence (push, counter jungle, gang a separate lane, take drag) | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:43 SnK-Arcbound wrote: So can I see opinions, if someone leaves their lane (solo or duo) should you follow them? Hotshot says you always should, and I agree. It depends on the laners in question, what they're leaving for, and other aspects of the situation. Is it safe for you to follow them (e.g. they can't insta-burst you and all champs in the fight they're leaving for are visible on the map)? Will it be able to make a difference (e.g. if it's 100% obvious that neither of you are going to get there before the fight is over, then him leaving just loses him farm)? How much farm are you giving up by leaving, and how does it compare to the worst possible outcome of the fight? I don't agree that you should always follow. There are too many variables to say that following is always the correct choice. Having the awareness and the sense to know when you should follow and when you shouldn't is part of becoming a better player, and blindly following in every situation loses you the opportunity to learn when it's correct and when it isn't. | ||
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