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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 17 2011 19:52 GMT
#841
I love how people still underestimate Riven. I'm solo top 1v2 (it's a normal), other lanes are getting kinda screwed. I'm like, "Don't worry guys, I'll just carry us to victory". And guess what? I did! Something silly like 18-3.

As long as people ignore her stupid OP strength and scaling, I'm happy that she's not going to get nerfed.
It's your boy Guzma!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 17 2011 19:53 GMT
#842
On November 18 2011 04:35 Craton wrote:
http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/20729/?u=16&p=1

A red replying to Smash's post? That's not supposed to happen.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
November 17 2011 19:55 GMT
#843
On November 18 2011 04:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 03:50 barbsq wrote:
On November 18 2011 03:49 BlackPaladin wrote:
Tapioca, rhav, soniv, gandhi, chobz, etcetc forever forgotten T_T


i thot u guys were TL b, which was mentioned a few pages back

edit: altho now i guess u guys are 'technically' TL A, seeing as how the old TL A no longer exists


Which is, yah know, kinda sad. As much fun as it is being on a team that is (somewhat I guess) representing our community, for their main AP mid to fail so hard at last hitting is pretty pitiful.

If we practiced enough I feel we could actually get pretty competitive though. We just need to keep entering into tournaments *cough cough* and play more. Lately there have been issues of people not being on, but I am just as guilty as everyone else.


That stuff is fairly easy to fix with sufficient dedication. I'm pretty busy the month before the semester ends so you won't see too much of me, but the jump from casual to competitive can only be done with enough dedicated members; until then we're just people who play together to get better (or not).
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 17 2011 19:56 GMT
#844
On November 18 2011 04:53 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 04:35 Craton wrote:
http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/20729/?u=16&p=1

A red replying to Smash's post? That's not supposed to happen.

if it makes you feel any better he hasn't addressed any of my actual points.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 17 2011 19:59 GMT
#845
When dodge gets removed I'm going to get so much IP refunded. I don't even know what I'm going to spend it on.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
November 17 2011 20:03 GMT
#846
Smash: "Hey, masteries are screwed up. Here are 10 important points."

Phreak: "No, defense is not too weak. Defense is good for tanks. What is a tank? That which we call a tank by any other name would still do the same damn thing." (Except he didn't actually say, or understand, this last point.)

I get why he's not addressing Smash's points; when Riot screws up, they generally ignores the comments and quietly patches a fix within the next few patches. But it's hilarious to see Phreak belabor the difference between a "true" tank vs what people consider tanks, in a game where the concept "tank" doesn't exist and is a misnomer to begin with.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 20:07:38
November 17 2011 20:06 GMT
#847
On November 18 2011 04:59 koreasilver wrote:
When dodge gets removed I'm going to get so much IP refunded. I don't even know what I'm going to spend it on.


haha me too, I'm probably going to spend it on a new champ or something idk



Should i stream my LoL games? My roommates aren't home so I don't have to worry about eating all the bandwith
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Deltablazy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada580 Posts
November 17 2011 20:07 GMT
#848
On November 18 2011 04:59 koreasilver wrote:
When dodge gets removed I'm going to get so much IP refunded. I don't even know what I'm going to spend it on.

Did they say you will get refunded for dodge runes? I didn't notice that anywhere. o.o
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 17 2011 20:08 GMT
#849
On November 18 2011 05:07 Deltablazy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 04:59 koreasilver wrote:
When dodge gets removed I'm going to get so much IP refunded. I don't even know what I'm going to spend it on.

Did they say you will get refunded for dodge runes? I didn't notice that anywhere. o.o

they'll have a giant shit storm on their hands if they don't.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 17 2011 20:09 GMT
#850
Well, I can only assume. When they get rid of dodge completely from the game the runes will have to go with the sweep. It only makes sense that they will refund the IP costs of the runes.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 17 2011 20:11 GMT
#851
They dodged the question by saying that they want to find a solution that makes the players happy.

Refund is clearly the best solution, and I highly doubt that anyone would complain about having to buy stuff for all that IP. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Riot decided to go a different way...
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 20:13:06
November 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#852
On November 18 2011 05:11 spinesheath wrote:
They dodged the question by saying that they want to find a solution that makes the players happy.

Refund is clearly the best solution, and I highly doubt that anyone would complain about having to buy stuff for all that IP. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Riot decided to go a different way...



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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 17 2011 20:14 GMT
#853
On November 18 2011 04:53 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 04:35 Craton wrote:
http://clgaming.net/redtracker/topic/20729/?u=16&p=1

A red replying to Smash's post? That's not supposed to happen.

Phreaks replies are fucking retarded. he's just saying "offense" masteries don't give enough bonus to tanks, as much as "defense" one.
The same reason support still have to go down utility, instead off of offense or defense.
but he doesn't address the problem, that offense OVERALL is a much better mastery tree than defensive.
He tries to justify the clearly gimped defensive tree, by trying to say that tanks will go down defensive tree, over the offensive tree.
What he doesn't understand is that tanks are FORCED to go down defensive tree, that doesn't mean they like it, nor find it comparable, to a AD-carry going down the offensive tree.
liftlift > tsm
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 20:17:08
November 17 2011 20:15 GMT
#854
I just think phreak is an idiot personally. He has an idealized notion of how the game SHOULD work, and is in la la land when it comes to how the game is actually played. Every post he makes defending up champs or stupid shit like his posts on tanks can be distilled to:

"Oh but x isnt UP at all, look at all the things that x can do well!"

At which point everybody just looks at him and says "WTF are you talking about, we dont give 2 shits about that because everything you just listed is completely useless in the game atm."

"But the possibility of things coming back around to closed beta where x was good is still there!"

Its like he doenst understand game evolution whatsoever.


As for the d tree itself: at most I could see myself only ever going 12 points, grabbing health and regen, then just going as much offense as I can fit.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
November 17 2011 20:18 GMT
#855
"Tanks" aren't forced to go defense. Supports aren't forced to go utility. And I would suggest that you seriously consider going offense on both.
Phreak doesn't even seem to understand that most champions want different stats as the game progresses. A tank isn't gonna be happy with ANOTHER tank item if he's never focused until it's 1v5 and all his allies are dead.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17264 Posts
November 17 2011 20:18 GMT
#856
I liked the part where he said damage mitigation was more useful to tanks than carries as a justification for the discrepancy, as if damage stats weren't also more useful to carries than tanks.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
November 17 2011 20:20 GMT
#857
I've always somehow hoped that TL would have a team. Well again and.. stuff. But I guess that is fairly unlikely to happen. I am a terrible player, and freely admit to such but man if thar's anything I can do to help something get going or to try and work out schedules for people I'd do it. Or I'd even play(if you wanted to have someone to laugh at).

Of course all of that is for not if we have no interest and no one willing. Which for the moment feels the case.


On an unrelated note, why do people ragequit a game after one bad teamfight for them? Like I literally watched three people quit a game because they lost a fight(barely) and then got caught again. We ended the game still at a disadvantage by gold and teamkills. Never give up, never surrender. Tim Allen said that. and I think he knows alittle bit more about LoL Then I do.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 17 2011 20:20 GMT
#858
what are peoples oponions on the offence masteries compared to other choices for champions with take a decent bonus from ap and ad? jax, akali etc. is it worth taking pretty much every point in offence or are mid tier defence/utility masteries better?
Mondieu
Profile Joined November 2011
Romania803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 20:28:06
November 17 2011 20:25 GMT
#859
Did they already nerf Surge ? It was 40% attack speed yesterday and now it's 35%. :<

Edit: Also going Surge(instead of flash) + ignite on tristana and I have to say it doesn't make that big of a difference in early laning stages of the game ( 10-15 Ap >.>) like someone on these forums was saying. So I think i'll stik with ignite + flash.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 17 2011 20:25 GMT
#860
On November 18 2011 05:20 turdburgler wrote:
what are peoples oponions on the offence masteries compared to other choices for champions with take a decent bonus from ap and ad? jax, akali etc. is it worth taking pretty much every point in offence or are mid tier defence/utility masteries better?

Jax is still probably better going down AD on offense masteries, skipping the AP stuff, mostly because AP per point on masteries is fucking terrible, and not worth it. Also the early health masteries in defense is really nice for jax,

in terms of akali, she's more on the AP heavy side, in terms of hybrid, so she'll probably be better off going down the AP side, even though I think that the AP route is clearly underpowered compared to the AD route.
liftlift > tsm
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