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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 17 2011 21:30 GMT
#881
I run 21/0/9 on Shy because the buff duration is too important (she's red-buff reliant), Flash CDR is always nice, and she benefits from the mspeed.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 17 2011 21:33 GMT
#882
I run the mana stuff on the moose. bladed armor is EXTREMELY overrated.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 17 2011 21:35 GMT
#883
On November 18 2011 06:33 Mogwai wrote:
I run the mana stuff on the moose. bladed armor is EXTREMELY overrated.

Even if I were going 21/9/0, it'd be for Vet's Scars. Bladed Armor is only going to be good in a few edge cases where the time saved is significant, and I haven't found any of those from testing yet.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
November 17 2011 21:42 GMT
#884
Bladed armor is one of those talents that sound good on first glance but in reality is more or less very situational in it's use I think the biggest reason for 9 in defense is to get vet's scars. It's just such a nice talent for so many champs.

Champs like Yi, Shaco,Lee, I'd see 21 offense, for WW,udyr,rammus,mummy, only defense. the 9 points you put elsewhere really fall down to playstyle. I like how the masteries really just allows for people to choose what they want to do with the trees. At least until people figure out the best tree spec for every champion and everyone only does that.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 17 2011 21:43 GMT
#885
Why defense on Udyr? I ran full offense and with boot opening and a good leash I could do everything I did with Shyvana, only without the free flash so a riskier Oracles in exchange for a stun :<
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
November 17 2011 21:45 GMT
#886
dafuck? WW?

24/5/1 or maybe 21/0/9
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 17 2011 21:55 GMT
#887
On November 18 2011 06:24 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Any one else think Surged is really good? Like REALLY good?

On certain champs, it's broken as holy fuck.

Like what champs? I can't see myself taking it over exhuast tbh...
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
November 17 2011 21:59 GMT
#888
On November 18 2011 06:55 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:24 Requizen wrote:
On November 18 2011 06:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Any one else think Surged is really good? Like REALLY good?

On certain champs, it's broken as holy fuck.

Like what champs? I can't see myself taking it over exhuast tbh...


I've had a lot of success with it on Trist. Taken with ignite, it scores an early game kill even if your opponent is prepared for it. I think it would also be good on jax
unichan
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States4223 Posts
November 17 2011 22:00 GMT
#889
Who's been playing with Laoching, as much as I love him and all his scores don't look like the kind of scores you carry with lol
:)
Kyhron
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States945 Posts
November 17 2011 22:00 GMT
#890
On November 18 2011 06:55 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:24 Requizen wrote:
On November 18 2011 06:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Any one else think Surged is really good? Like REALLY good?

On certain champs, it's broken as holy fuck.

Like what champs? I can't see myself taking it over exhuast tbh...

Its strong on people that benefit from both parts of it like tristana fizz and jax to name ones ive seen do really well with it
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:09:20
November 17 2011 22:08 GMT
#891
On November 18 2011 06:55 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 06:24 Requizen wrote:
On November 18 2011 06:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Any one else think Surged is really good? Like REALLY good?

On certain champs, it's broken as holy fuck.

Like what champs? I can't see myself taking it over exhuast tbh...

Well, the obvious answer is champs who benefit from both AS and AP. Teemo is a good one, it's decently good on Kayle, AP TF can abuse it, Shyvana is hot damn with it, Skarner loves it, some others I'm forgetting.
It's your boy Guzma!
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
November 17 2011 22:11 GMT
#892
I actualy get Surge on Brand then use it at teamfights for ultis, not sure how effective it is because I cant see too clear of a difference.
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 17 2011 22:11 GMT
#893
Roaming twitch with surge and ignite.
Yea.
Cackle™
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 17 2011 22:14 GMT
#894
On November 18 2011 07:11 TheKefka wrote:
Roaming twitch with surge and ignite.
Yea.

That's just mean.
It's your boy Guzma!
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
November 17 2011 22:14 GMT
#895
I FINALLY GOT A WIN WITH FITCH
FEELS GOOD MAN
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 17 2011 22:14 GMT
#896
On November 18 2011 07:11 RogerX wrote:
I actualy get Surge on Brand then use it at teamfights for ultis, not sure how effective it is because I cant see too clear of a difference.

Surge doesn't feel that good on champs that don't make use of both components. Certainly on Brand, I have a hard time justifying it over Ignite.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 17 2011 22:15 GMT
#897
On November 18 2011 07:14 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:11 TheKefka wrote:
Roaming twitch with surge and ignite.
Yea.

That's just mean.

Its funny as fuck lol.
Talk about a way to piss people off.
Cackle™
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 17 2011 22:17 GMT
#898
Iunno, I tried surge on Jax and while it's nice, I'd still rather have teleport for lane sustain or exhaust for just raw 1v1 fighting power. I still need to try it on Skarner (laning) and Fizz. It'll probably be pretty sick with those two since they really have no need for a second escape skill or exhaust since they're beastly 1v1 already.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
November 17 2011 22:20 GMT
#899
On November 18 2011 07:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:11 RogerX wrote:
I actualy get Surge on Brand then use it at teamfights for ultis, not sure how effective it is because I cant see too clear of a difference.

Surge doesn't feel that good on champs that don't make use of both components. Certainly on Brand, I have a hard time justifying it over Ignite.



Yeah, it seems like a mediocre choice on ap chars. It is decent on Karthus to make that ult hurt a bit more. Flash/Ghost/Ignite/Cleanse all seem like better choices for most ap chars though.


What do people think about promote?
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 17 2011 22:20 GMT
#900
On November 18 2011 06:43 Southlight wrote:
Why defense on Udyr? I ran full offense and with boot opening and a good leash I could do everything I did with Shyvana, only without the free flash so a riskier Oracles in exchange for a stun :<

I just don't feel like I need more offensive capability than wits end. I just find the offensive tree a little problematic because the only thing that would really benefit me is the cd reduction and the magic pen. But the magic pen isn't necessary so I would rather put the masteries like 0/21/9. I wish I was getting more out of it though. Right now udyr is the only champ in my repertoire that I don't put points in offense.
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