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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:27:49
November 17 2011 22:21 GMT
#901
I just run 21/0/9 phoenix stance Udyr and bumrush the enemy jungle, cleartime is absurd and he roflstomps most heroes early game.

Edit:
Take it with a grain of salt obviously because I'm not exactly playing against stellar opponents, but I'm finding that certain heroes have such absurd clearspeeds now that some of the slower junglers (Fidds, Amumu, LS, etc.) are getting severely outclassed after a few creep spawns.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:32:53
November 17 2011 22:32 GMT
#902
So apparently post-patch Olaf and Trundle with 21/9/0 can start Vamp Scepter and do a full wolves->blue->wraiths->red->minis clear...
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
November 17 2011 22:34 GMT
#903
Yea Olaf outraced my Shyv and beat me straight-up at level 3 to boot, was pretty mean :[ I was like fuuuuuuuu @ new masteries.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 17 2011 22:35 GMT
#904
Can they start boots 3 instead then? I feel like vamp sceptor doesn't give more than 600 health over your first clear ^_^ They would probably be too low to gank though perhaps which would make it pointless
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 17 2011 22:36 GMT
#905
On November 18 2011 07:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Can they start boots 3 instead then? I feel like vamp sceptor doesn't give more than 600 health over your first clear ^_^ They would probably be too low to gank though perhaps which would make it pointless

Trundle finishes with like 2/3 health even without a leash. It's insane.
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ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:52:22
November 17 2011 22:38 GMT
#906
claimed by TheYango.
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:41:08
November 17 2011 22:40 GMT
#907
Also, the first round of jungle clearing is ~8500 HP worth of creeps. Subtract 2 smites and that's ~7500. On Trundle, who does only autoattack damage, Vamp Scepter heals about 900 HP on his first clear.

On November 18 2011 07:38 ATeddyBear wrote:
Anyone want a DOTA 2 invite?

Yes.
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TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:42:27
November 17 2011 22:41 GMT
#908
On November 18 2011 07:32 TheYango wrote:
So apparently post-patch Olaf and Trundle with 21/9/0 can start Vamp Scepter and do a full wolves->blue->wraiths->red->minis clear...

That's what I've been saying.You clear jungle,go gank,buy razor and solo dragon.Standard.
Cackle™
taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
November 17 2011 22:44 GMT
#909
On November 18 2011 07:40 TheYango wrote:
Also, the first round of jungle clearing is ~8500 HP worth of creeps. Subtract 2 smites and that's ~7500. On Trundle, who does only autoattack damage, Vamp Scepter heals about 900 HP on his first clear.

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:38 ATeddyBear wrote:
Anyone want a DOTA 2 invite?

Yes.


lets do battle for a dota 2 key
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 17 2011 22:45 GMT
#910
On November 18 2011 07:38 ATeddyBear wrote:
Anyone want a DOTA 2 invite?

Is that even a question?

+ Show Spoiler +
OMGAHYES
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 17 2011 22:45 GMT
#911
Ya im pretty sure most of us would love a dota 2 key. I am chief among them.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
November 17 2011 22:47 GMT
#912
On November 18 2011 07:38 ATeddyBear wrote:
Anyone want a DOTA 2 invite?


omG plz
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
November 17 2011 22:47 GMT
#913
On November 18 2011 07:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya im pretty sure most of us would love a dota 2 key. I am chief among them.


I am the Emperor among them.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#914
On November 18 2011 07:47 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya im pretty sure most of us would love a dota 2 key. I am chief among them.


I am the Emperor among them.

Its a figure of speech indicating that I am one of the people who would like one lol.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
November 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#915
Either all of the 372 members of the subforum get a DOTA 2 key, or nobody gets one imoimo.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#916
On November 18 2011 07:47 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2011 07:45 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ya im pretty sure most of us would love a dota 2 key. I am chief among them.


I am the Emperor among them.

I would decapitate you for that throne.

Gimme.
It's your boy Guzma!
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
November 17 2011 22:49 GMT
#917
2down real dota feeder ^__^
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
November 17 2011 22:53 GMT
#918
On November 18 2011 07:00 unichan wrote:
Who's been playing with Laoching, as much as I love him and all his scores don't look like the kind of scores you carry with lol


miko tang has been carrying the weight
ô¿ô
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 22:57:09
November 17 2011 22:54 GMT
#919
On November 18 2011 07:14 TheYango wrote:
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On November 18 2011 07:11 RogerX wrote:
I actualy get Surge on Brand then use it at teamfights for ultis, not sure how effective it is because I cant see too clear of a difference.

Surge doesn't feel that good on champs that don't make use of both components. Certainly on Brand, I have a hard time justifying it over Ignite.


I think the design is sort of problematic. If just one component by itself is reason enough to run it, then it will be just way OP on a champion that can actually make use of both components.
rigwarl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
November 17 2011 22:55 GMT
#920
Grats Yango. You're my favorite poster. Can I share that key with you? (jk, but the first part is true- I like your maths.)
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